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Hydroxycut

BayesianBayesian Registered User regular
edited April 2012 in Help / Advice Forum
I bought the version without ephedrine. Is it still dangerous? Has anyone had any success with it? It came on recommendation from a friend who had success with it, but the internet reviews seem pretty negative.

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  • EncEnc A Fool with Compassion Pronouns: He, Him, HisRegistered User regular
    edited April 2012
    In 2003, Missouri Attorney General Jay Nixon filed a lawsuit in St. Louis against Hydroxycut's manufacturer, MuscleTech, stating that its marketing claims that Hydroxycut was "clinically proven" to be a "fat-burner" were false. Nixon also alleged that "MuscleTech's own consultants had serious concerns about the safety of Hydroxycut, but the company continued to market the product."[9][10] MuscleTech paid $100,000 to settle the case and agreed to cease marketing ephedra-containing products and to refund customers' money.[11]
    On May 1, 2009, the FDA issued a warning to consumers to stop using Hydroxycut products, due to 23 reports of serious health problems associated with the use of Hydroxycut, and at least one death.[12]

    In one study, reported in the American Journal of Gastroenterology, researchers analyzed 17 cases of liver damage among Hydroxycut users that had not yet appeared in the medical literature. Nine of the cases had been reported to the FDA, while eight were seen by the authors of the study. Looking at factors like patients' risk factors for liver disease and the timing of their Hydroxycut use, the researchers found that for eight of the liver-damage cases, there was a greater than 95 percent likelihood that the weight-loss aid was to blame.[13]

    While some industry sources defended the safety of Hydroxycut and believed the media "over-hyped" the FDA withdrawal, others questioned why Iovate had not published long term safety or efficacy studies on the final Hydroxycut products despite having the money to perform such studies and the self-promoted reputation as being "research-oriented." The editors of the nutrition trade journal Nutrition Business Journal noted that this recall "will ultimately be a good thing for the dietary supplement industry if it encourages weight-loss supplement manufacturers to care as much about their products' safety and efficacy as they do about expanding and protecting their bottom lines."[14]

    History alone should tell you enough. Go to your doctor and discuss weight loss options with him, not a company out to sell snake oils.

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  • BayesianBayesian Registered User regular
    I read the wiki article too. Now is that all attributable to the ephedrine component? I mean, they're basically caffeine pills from what I can see.

    I would normally write it off as snake oil, but a number of people I know have taken it and swear by it. They could be referring to its more dangerous predecessor though.

  • BayesianBayesian Registered User regular
    That's a good idea. I'll just ask a nutritionist or my doctor.

  • EncEnc A Fool with Compassion Pronouns: He, Him, HisRegistered User regular
    Some cursory google searches led me to multiple attorney sites openly soliciting users for law suits against the company for medical damages, several health review sites saying it is still dangerous in both caffeine and non caffeine forms, and lots of complaints that it did not work as advertised at all.

    Typically these weight loss drugs will do less than cutting back on a third of what you eat at each meal and go jogging for a half hour each day. Medically tricking your body into having a faster metabolism, even if it works, is not a great thing to do if you think about it, especially if you haven't consulted your doctor first.

    That should be your first step before you buy/take any of these. Go meet with your doctor and discuss this in relation with your personal weight loss goals and medical history.

  • Gabriel_PittGabriel_Pitt Stepped in it Registered User regular
    It helps with weight loss because it's a stimulant (caffeine less so than ephedrine). If it helps people lose weight, it's because it gets people wired and unable to sit still (may also suppress appetite). Not what I would call a particularly healthy regime.

  • DarkewolfeDarkewolfe Registered User regular
    Dude, different versions are just different versions of stimulants. Yes, stimulants help you lose weight and people swear by them. Nicotine is great for weight loss, meth is even better. None of them are healthy, long-term weight loss programs.

    What is this I don't even.
  • Dr. FrenchensteinDr. Frenchenstein Registered User regular
    edited April 2012
    i lost a lot of weight on the ephedrine version, but like darkewolf said, it's not a long term solution at all. i really used it as an appetite suppressant to get me "over the hump" so to speak, as i work behind a desk, and tend to snack when i am bored. it worked for me, but i was very careful, and wasn't even taking the full dosage. I also used Ripped Fuel, and... some other brand that i can't remember, with similar results.

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  • BayesianBayesian Registered User regular
    Darkewolfe wrote: »
    Dude, different versions are just different versions of stimulants. Yes, stimulants help you lose weight and people swear by them. Nicotine is great for weight loss, meth is even better. None of them are healthy, long-term weight loss programs.

    Yeah, but that's oversimplifying it quite a bit. There is a huge difference between caffeine and meth.

    And the intended use was to drop a couple pounds for summer in addition to what I would normally do with dieting and exercise. I'm not planning any long-term sustained use.

    However, what I'm reading is almost entirely negative, so I probably won't use it.

  • DruhimDruhim Registered User, ClubPA regular
    Bayesian wrote: »
    I read the wiki article too. Now is that all attributable to the ephedrine component? I mean, they're basically caffeine pills from what I can see.

    I would normally write it off as snake oil, but a number of people I know have taken it and swear by it. They could be referring to its more dangerous predecessor though.

    The problem with talking to people that have used it to determine if it works is that those people are assuming that the hydroxycut caused the weightloss simply because they lost weight at some point after taking it. Ignoring all the other things they're probably doing that contributed to their weight loss. Anecdotal "evidence" is the weakest evidence for a good reason. There's no control group, there's no rigid methodology, it's just a friend believing that it must have been this supplement they were taking and that it's totally awesome.

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  • DarkewolfeDarkewolfe Registered User regular
    Bayesian wrote: »
    Darkewolfe wrote: »
    Dude, different versions are just different versions of stimulants. Yes, stimulants help you lose weight and people swear by them. Nicotine is great for weight loss, meth is even better. None of them are healthy, long-term weight loss programs.

    Yeah, but that's oversimplifying it quite a bit. There is a huge difference between caffeine and meth.

    And the intended use was to drop a couple pounds for summer in addition to what I would normally do with dieting and exercise. I'm not planning any long-term sustained use.

    However, what I'm reading is almost entirely negative, so I probably won't use it.

    It's super oversimplifying. That's my honest advice, though. Yeah, if you really, really, really want to lose weight more rapidly than changing your diet and exercise habits could help with, you could. If you just want a little caffeine to help, drink a couple cups of coffee a day. If the supplement provides more than that, it's not a healthy dosage. You'll lose weight, but at increased risk of health complications.

    To be additionally hyperbolic, I hear that feeding tubes are all the rage right now.

    What is this I don't even.
  • DruhimDruhim Registered User, ClubPA regular
    And really, the mindset that you're going to take any supplement to burn off a few pounds is a pretty unhealthy way to approach weight loss in general. Making long term lifestyle changes to how you eat and exercise is always going to be the best way to lose the weight you don't want and keep it off.

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  • BayesianBayesian Registered User regular
    Druhim wrote: »
    Bayesian wrote: »
    I read the wiki article too. Now is that all attributable to the ephedrine component? I mean, they're basically caffeine pills from what I can see.

    I would normally write it off as snake oil, but a number of people I know have taken it and swear by it. They could be referring to its more dangerous predecessor though.

    The problem with talking to people that have used it to determine if it works is that those people are assuming that the hydroxycut caused the weightloss simply because they lost weight at some point after taking it. Ignoring all the other things they're probably doing that contributed to their weight loss. Anecdotal "evidence" is the weakest evidence for a good reason. There's no control group, there's no rigid methodology, it's just a friend believing that it must have been this supplement they were taking and that it's totally awesome.

    Yeah, I agree. I haven't really seen any hard evidence either. I wish I had held off buying it, but GNC had a 50% off sale!

  • EncEnc A Fool with Compassion Pronouns: He, Him, HisRegistered User regular
    Bayesian wrote: »
    Druhim wrote: »
    Bayesian wrote: »
    I read the wiki article too. Now is that all attributable to the ephedrine component? I mean, they're basically caffeine pills from what I can see.

    I would normally write it off as snake oil, but a number of people I know have taken it and swear by it. They could be referring to its more dangerous predecessor though.

    The problem with talking to people that have used it to determine if it works is that those people are assuming that the hydroxycut caused the weightloss simply because they lost weight at some point after taking it. Ignoring all the other things they're probably doing that contributed to their weight loss. Anecdotal "evidence" is the weakest evidence for a good reason. There's no control group, there's no rigid methodology, it's just a friend believing that it must have been this supplement they were taking and that it's totally awesome.

    Yeah, I agree. I haven't really seen any hard evidence either. I wish I had held off buying it, but GNC had a 50% off sale!

    That's a good indicator that it doesn't work, right there. Something that does what was advertised successfully and healthily would be the most sought after item in the Western World.

  • Dr. FrenchensteinDr. Frenchenstein Registered User regular
    that's pretty much what these were designed for, a chemically enhanced temporary boost to the system. Lose a few pounds for the beach, etc etc. I wouldn't say they are inherently "unhealthy" but it's not sustainable to be sure. also very easy to abuse and hurt yourself.

    I'm willing to bet a lot/most of the issues of liver damage or whatever are due to abuse, like bro's popping hydroxycut to get shredded and then boozing it up or something.

  • DruhimDruhim Registered User, ClubPA regular
    that's pretty much what these were designed for, a chemically enhanced temporary boost to the system. Lose a few pounds for the beach, etc etc. I wouldn't say they are inherently "unhealthy" but it's not sustainable to be sure. also very easy to abuse and hurt yourself.

    I'm willing to bet a lot/most of the issues of liver damage or whatever are due to abuse, like bro's popping hydroxycut to get shredded and then boozing it up or something.

    Oh yeah, I'm not so much saying taking the caffeine itself is going to be that unhealthy, but more addressing the mindset that says, "I need a quicker way to burn off a few pounds." As opposed to changing to your lifestyle to be healthier by incorporating more exercise and eating healthier. Taking shortcuts like that makes it easy to justify not changing your lifestyle as much and then turning back to supplements ever time you want to lose a little more weight. That tends to lead to your weight swinging up and down instead of losing the fat and keeping it off long term.

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  • BayesianBayesian Registered User regular
    edited April 2012
    that's pretty much what these were designed for, a chemically enhanced temporary boost to the system. Lose a few pounds for the beach, etc etc. I wouldn't say they are inherently "unhealthy" but it's not sustainable to be sure. also very easy to abuse and hurt yourself.

    I'm willing to bet a lot/most of the issues of liver damage or whatever are due to abuse, like bro's popping hydroxycut to get shredded and then boozing it up or something.

    Yeah, that would also be a problem since I do booze it up.

    I mean I work out 4-5 times a week, but it's mainly meant to shed the extra few.

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  • EncEnc A Fool with Compassion Pronouns: He, Him, HisRegistered User regular
    Bayesian wrote: »
    that's pretty much what these were designed for, a chemically enhanced temporary boost to the system. Lose a few pounds for the beach, etc etc. I wouldn't say they are inherently "unhealthy" but it's not sustainable to be sure. also very easy to abuse and hurt yourself.

    I'm willing to bet a lot/most of the issues of liver damage or whatever are due to abuse, like bro's popping hydroxycut to get shredded and then boozing it up or something.

    Yeah, that would also be a problem since I do booze it up.

    I mean I work out 4-5 times a week, but it's mainly meant to shed the extra few.

    If you are working out 4-5 times a week, you shouldn't be worrying about an extra few through a supplement at all. Just keep doing what you are doing and combine it with healthy eating.

  • Dr. FrenchensteinDr. Frenchenstein Registered User regular
    Bayesian wrote: »

    Yeah, that would also be a problem since I do booze it up.

    I mean I work out 4-5 times a week, but it's mainly meant to shed the extra few.

    Lol that's probably your issue. try and step up the intensity of your workouts (less rest between sets, supersets, etc) for a couple weeks, see if that works. I'm a drinker too, and while I'm not averse to some chemical assistance, it's really only good for a one time bump. if you don't change your habits, you'll be back where you were.

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