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  • RizziRizzi Sydney, Australia.Registered User regular
    I think LoL done broked.

  • schussschuss Registered User regular
    You may want to change the Painhouse info to note that you join the Painhouse Channel at 8PM EST on Thursdays for drafting.

  • AegisAegis Fear My Dance Overshot Toronto, Landed in OttawaRegistered User regular
    edited June 2012
    Kay wrote: »
    Aegis wrote: »
    Kay wrote: »
    Picking support first is a lot better than picking top or mid first though, Aegis!

    Yea but it both leads me open to a counterpick bot lane and doesn't give our team a strong champion off the bat. I don't care about the latter in solo q, but the former hurts somewhat as I'm forced into relatively safe supports rather than ones that can be negated by enemy bot lane/team comp.
    1) Get really good with Janna. Janna's a very strong support and hard to counterpick.
    2) Get really good with Alistar. Ali's a very strong support, though he can be counterpicked easier than Janna.
    3) Get really good with Leona. Same reasons as the above.
    4) Get really good with Nunu. He's different to the others as he's more of a buff/debuffer with limited peel ability, though.
    5) Before making your pick, as who wants AD carry and which support meshes best with their playstyle.
    6) Profit and get tons of friend requests.

    Janna's my main, yea, though I find Leona can be easily counterpicked, as can Blitz. Had a game yesterday as Blitz vs an enemy team that was Riven, Alistair, Renekton, Malphite, Leona. I literally couldn't grab a single person or they'd kill our team :(

    And whenever I ask the AD who they want to play so I can support accordinly, no-one ever bloody answers -.-

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  • RizziRizzi Sydney, Australia.Registered User regular
    Servers seem to have gone down again. :P

  • Metal JaredMetal Jared Mulligan Wizard Rhode IslandRegistered User regular
    Has there been an official post on the forums as to why they completely broke their product after they did a patch on a weekend and then rolled back that patch?

    I've heard reports that people can't use their mouse when they get into a game, I've been kicked off pretty consistantly and can't get in more than one game before everything borks up.

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  • JoshmviiJoshmvii Registered User regular
    Sampsen wrote: »
    Is it wrong to prefer Sivir over better AD carries?

    Better? Don't be silly, Sivir is really, really good if played properly.

    Yeah, Sivir is very good. It's easy to go oh man, Trist/Kog'maw/Corki/Graves/Vayne have stronger late games than X, but the thing is, there are precious few games where you get to late game on even terms with the other team. No matter what AD carry you play, if you win bot lane hard enough, you will be ahead the rest of the game and end it before they can catch up.

    I have been playing Sivir a few times this week, and I've won every game I've played with her. She's been really natural and fun to pick up. I find her laning very solid with spell shield, and using her W to constantly harass is great. I play an aggressive bot lane too, and constantly shoving the enemy to the tower and making them lose CS works very well on her. And her minion clearing/tower pushing is really good too.

  • TalithTalith 変態という名の紳士 Miami, FLRegistered User regular
    Patch vs Servers round 2!

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  • JoshmviiJoshmvii Registered User regular
    Kay wrote: »
    Aegis wrote: »
    Kay wrote: »
    Picking support first is a lot better than picking top or mid first though, Aegis!

    Yea but it both leads me open to a counterpick bot lane and doesn't give our team a strong champion off the bat. I don't care about the latter in solo q, but the former hurts somewhat as I'm forced into relatively safe supports rather than ones that can be negated by enemy bot lane/team comp.
    1) Get really good with Janna. Janna's a very strong support and hard to counterpick.
    2) Get really good with Alistar. Ali's a very strong support, though he can be counterpicked easier than Janna.
    3) Get really good with Leona. Same reasons as the above.
    4) Get really good with Nunu. He's different to the others as he's more of a buff/debuffer with limited peel ability, though.
    5) Before making your pick, as who wants AD carry and which support meshes best with their playstyle.
    6) Profit and get tons of friend requests.

    You can really pick Janna, Alistar, Alistar, Leona, Nunu, Lulu, Soraka or Taric and be fine bot lane, even if you first pick the support. The key is you and your AD knowing how you must change your lane play depending on the matchup. I try to have my team first pick AD if possible, but I don't care about first picking support.

  • Metal JaredMetal Jared Mulligan Wizard Rhode IslandRegistered User regular
    I forgot how much fun it is to run Singed in a normal, blind pick match. I can't express how many times I'll turn on R, run away and just see my screen fill up with "DOUBLE KILL" "TRIPLE KILL" as I just laugh that people are chasing Singed through his poison trail. He farms hard and he trolls hard. He's fantastic.

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  • AegisAegis Fear My Dance Overshot Toronto, Landed in OttawaRegistered User regular
    Talith wrote: »
    Patch vs Servers round 2!

    Just as long as we get another 10-win IP boost out of it, I'll cheer for whomever!

    We'll see how long this blog lasts
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  • Metal JaredMetal Jared Mulligan Wizard Rhode IslandRegistered User regular
    Aegis wrote: »
    Talith wrote: »
    Patch vs Servers round 2!

    Just as long as we get another 10-win IP boost out of it, I'll cheer for whomever!

    QFT

    Though I'd rather actually play the game at some point.

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  • RaakamRaakam Too many years... CanadalandRegistered User regular
    I'm so tired of running into Blitz these days. I've found myself playing Sivir again to just spell-shield his grabs, but there has to be a better way. One random errant grab early can snowball the lane pretty hard for the other ADC. My supports tend to be shy of trying to zone/bush control, though I feel like Taric or Alistar should do pretty well vs a Blitz lane with knock-up or stun responses...

    If I manage to survive the early game vs a Blitz lane, then he falls off and does nothing, but I need tips with dealing with him early.


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  • KayKay What we need... Is a little bit of PANIC.Registered User regular
    edited June 2012
    Raakam wrote: »
    I'm so tired of running into Blitz these days. I've found myself playing Sivir again to just spell-shield his grabs, but there has to be a better way. One random errant grab early can snowball the lane pretty hard for the other ADC. My supports tend to be shy of trying to zone/bush control, though I feel like Taric or Alistar should do pretty well vs a Blitz lane with knock-up or stun responses...

    If I manage to survive the early game vs a Blitz lane, then he falls off and does nothing, but I need tips with dealing with him early.

    Dealing with Blitz requires a support that can counter-initiate, or reset a fight. Alistar, Leona and Janna are pretty good at this, while Nunu can Ice Ball the opposing carry to reduce the damage they'd deal with straight autos. Of course, it won't effect AD Caster sorts (Ezreal, maybe Varus, to some degree Graves and Sivir for example) but it really does shut down right-click-only champs.

    It also requires good bush control as you mentioned. You don't really want Soraka or Sona, as all they can do is heal and hope (or perhaps Silence an AD Caster sort in Soraka's case), which doesn't work well against a big burst of damage. Maybe Soraka's armour buff would help if she was quick with it, and Silencing Blitz so he doesn't get the grab->uppercut->silence combo off would be possible if you were in the right place.

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  • JoshmviiJoshmvii Registered User regular
    edited June 2012
    I don't really mind going against blitz with any lane any more. You just have to hide behind minions, have bush control(this is really the most important), and punish him and his AD. If your support doesn't give you bush control, you'll probably lose the lane due to losing too much CS and being primed for hooks.

    Even with a Soraka I can win the lane because I abuse the unlimited mana and heals. I will punish blitz or the AD any time they're close enough to be hit, even if I take some damage, because hey, I have a mana battery and heals to keep me in lane. Eventually you just push them out of lane. The only real way to lose the lane is if you or your support get caught in a hook after level 3 and feeds their AD kills. If I'm running support I usually run Alistar because he has a giant hitbox, and they're not going to want to hook you anyway since you can just knockup, disengage and heal back the damage.

    As mentioned above, a good Nunu support is also really good against that lane just because with his AS steroid on your AD and AS debuff on their AD it makes for favorable trades for you as long as they don't hook somebody under their tower or something, but if you let that happen, you're in trouble from the start.

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  • dasnoobdasnoob ArkansasRegistered User regular
    Decided to play a game with Darius for giggles. Ended up top lane with a Nassus against Mundo/Akali top.

    I played horrible. Went 0-11. Mid never called an MIA and the Nassus kept getting himself way out of position. He then proceeded to urge everyone to report me for intentionally feeding.

    Next game I went with Teemo and good times were had.

  • Smaug6Smaug6 Registered User regular
    So I had a theory that Urgot would be the perfect counter pick to Draven in bot lane because of the axe telegraphing. I saw it last night and boy was it savage. It helped that Draven's support was a derp-crank who was silly picking into urgot/allistar. But none-the-less, I still think that is a ridiculously strong counter pick. I tried using ezreal against draven, didn't work out to well, we can harass with those axes in the minion line and I can't hit him back with q.

    Bought Renekton last night with IP and gave him a few goes. He is tricky getting his harass down, but I really like him in teamfights. I can see me playing a lot more renekton in the future.

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  • LuianeLuiane Registered User regular
    A nightmare lane for draven would be something like Urgot/leona or Urgot/soraka for that infinite harass.

    Leona could probably also be switched to ali, so you have some sustain to counter his harass, since even if you are laying down the hurt on him, he can still do some back.

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  • AegisAegis Fear My Dance Overshot Toronto, Landed in OttawaRegistered User regular
    Every time they try and patch Pulsefire Ezreal in the servers seem to say "Nope".

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  • VaregaVarega Registered User regular
    Smaug6 wrote: »
    So I had a theory that Urgot would be the perfect counter pick to Draven in bot lane because of the axe telegraphing. I saw it last night and boy was it savage. It helped that Draven's support was a derp-crank who was silly picking into urgot/allistar. But none-the-less, I still think that is a ridiculously strong counter pick. I tried using ezreal against draven, didn't work out to well, we can harass with those axes in the minion line and I can't hit him back with q.

    Bought Renekton last night with IP and gave him a few goes. He is tricky getting his harass down, but I really like him in teamfights. I can see me playing a lot more renekton in the future.
    Lizard may be my new second favorite dude. He's super strong, all his abilities reset autoattack timers, and his sustain is awesome (but it pushes the lane hard). He's got tons of itemization choices, Hexdrinker, Brutalizer, Phage, Atmas, Bloodthirster, Tiamat, and he's got a wall clearing escape/disengage.

    He's wonderful.

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  • WhiteSharkWhiteShark Registered User regular
    Varega wrote: »
    Smaug6 wrote: »
    So I had a theory that Urgot would be the perfect counter pick to Draven in bot lane because of the axe telegraphing. I saw it last night and boy was it savage. It helped that Draven's support was a derp-crank who was silly picking into urgot/allistar. But none-the-less, I still think that is a ridiculously strong counter pick. I tried using ezreal against draven, didn't work out to well, we can harass with those axes in the minion line and I can't hit him back with q.

    Bought Renekton last night with IP and gave him a few goes. He is tricky getting his harass down, but I really like him in teamfights. I can see me playing a lot more renekton in the future.
    Lizard may be my new second favorite dude. He's super strong, all his abilities reset autoattack timers, and his sustain is awesome (but it pushes the lane hard). He's got tons of itemization choices, Hexdrinker, Brutalizer, Phage, Atmas, Bloodthirster, Tiamat, and he's got a wall clearing escape/disengage.

    He's wonderful.

    Yeah, despite the fact I don't play top lane all that often I win nearly all my Renekton games. He's a beast.

  • GrundlestiltskinGrundlestiltskin Behind you!Registered User regular
    I bought Draven and haven't really gotten a chance to play him all that much, but I'm wondering if there's something specific that would prevent Draven from, you know, not catching axes if it's going to put him in harm's way. You know, besides compulsion.

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  • Smaug6Smaug6 Registered User regular
    Varega wrote: »
    Smaug6 wrote: »
    So I had a theory that Urgot would be the perfect counter pick to Draven in bot lane because of the axe telegraphing. I saw it last night and boy was it savage. It helped that Draven's support was a derp-crank who was silly picking into urgot/allistar. But none-the-less, I still think that is a ridiculously strong counter pick. I tried using ezreal against draven, didn't work out to well, we can harass with those axes in the minion line and I can't hit him back with q.

    Bought Renekton last night with IP and gave him a few goes. He is tricky getting his harass down, but I really like him in teamfights. I can see me playing a lot more renekton in the future.
    Lizard may be my new second favorite dude. He's super strong, all his abilities reset autoattack timers, and his sustain is awesome (but it pushes the lane hard). He's got tons of itemization choices, Hexdrinker, Brutalizer, Phage, Atmas, Bloodthirster, Tiamat, and he's got a wall clearing escape/disengage.

    He's wonderful.

    Yeah I was wondering about him, he seems like he would get a good deal of benefit from a bloodthirster, but all the guides I read, no one recommends building it on him. I know he has the innate sustain from cull the meek, but I feel like the huge bump in attack damage would make him hurt that much harder, a lot like riven. So far I have been building him cd boots, randuins, brutalizer, frozen mallet, atma's/maw of malmortius depending on the enemy team comp, upgrade the brutalizer if I have gold left. Seems to work perfectly considering you are right in the thick of things. I thought about getting more attack speed in the form of a a wits end to help build rage faster, but when you pop the ult that doesn't seem to be much of a problem. That said, I wish his ult did percentage hp damage as opposed to flat damage or at least came close to Nasus' ult damage (which almost always clocks in at 240 damage per second). Still though really like him. Also his rune wars skin is fantastic, might have to buy that soon.

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  • PMAversPMAvers Registered User regular
    Aegis wrote: »
    Every time they try and patch Pulsefire Ezreal in the servers seem to say "Nope".

    Pulsefire Ez is on the game grid, fighting for the players. The MCP keeps on trying to keep him (and the servers) down and user-free.

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    http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=25678134 for official status

    also +1 to PMAvers for the reboot reference

  • Moridin889Moridin889 Registered User regular
    Smaug6 wrote: »
    Varega wrote: »
    Smaug6 wrote: »
    So I had a theory that Urgot would be the perfect counter pick to Draven in bot lane because of the axe telegraphing. I saw it last night and boy was it savage. It helped that Draven's support was a derp-crank who was silly picking into urgot/allistar. But none-the-less, I still think that is a ridiculously strong counter pick. I tried using ezreal against draven, didn't work out to well, we can harass with those axes in the minion line and I can't hit him back with q.

    Bought Renekton last night with IP and gave him a few goes. He is tricky getting his harass down, but I really like him in teamfights. I can see me playing a lot more renekton in the future.
    Lizard may be my new second favorite dude. He's super strong, all his abilities reset autoattack timers, and his sustain is awesome (but it pushes the lane hard). He's got tons of itemization choices, Hexdrinker, Brutalizer, Phage, Atmas, Bloodthirster, Tiamat, and he's got a wall clearing escape/disengage.

    He's wonderful.

    Yeah I was wondering about him, he seems like he would get a good deal of benefit from a bloodthirster, but all the guides I read, no one recommends building it on him. I know he has the innate sustain from cull the meek, but I feel like the huge bump in attack damage would make him hurt that much harder, a lot like riven. So far I have been building him cd boots, randuins, brutalizer, frozen mallet, atma's/maw of malmortius depending on the enemy team comp, upgrade the brutalizer if I have gold left. Seems to work perfectly considering you are right in the thick of things. I thought about getting more attack speed in the form of a a wits end to help build rage faster, but when you pop the ult that doesn't seem to be much of a problem. That said, I wish his ult did percentage hp damage as opposed to flat damage or at least came close to Nasus' ult damage (which almost always clocks in at 240 damage per second). Still though really like him. Also his rune wars skin is fantastic, might have to buy that soon.

    Bloodthirster on Renekton is a matchup thing. If you are doing super well in your lane, grab it early, keep smashing faces. All of the faces. If you need more harass, Brutalizer. If they have high magic damage, Hexdrinker, etc. As long as it has attack damage and you eventually get some defenses on him, you can't really go wrong on him. (Note: He is NOT an Autoattacker, don't build him like one)

  • ArchArch Neat-o, mosquito! Registered User regular
    I love renekton so much, but I just can't seem to figure him out

    Just like ezreal

    Its weird

    I guess Darius and Varus are just overpowered, but I dominate top with Darius and bottom with Varus, but when I switch to Renekton top I suck bad, and when I switch to Ez bot I also suck

    I want to be better with renekton and ezreal :(

  • WhiteSharkWhiteShark Registered User regular
    Arch wrote: »
    I love renekton so much, but I just can't seem to figure him out

    Just like ezreal

    Its weird

    I guess Darius and Varus are just overpowered, but I dominate top with Darius and bottom with Varus, but when I switch to Renekton top I suck bad, and when I switch to Ez bot I also suck

    I want to be better with renekton and ezreal :(

    I don't think I've heard anybody call Varus OP before

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  • PrjctD_CaptainPrjctD_Captain iFizzRegistered User regular
    PMAvers wrote: »
    Aegis wrote: »
    Every time they try and patch Pulsefire Ezreal in the servers seem to say "Nope".

    Pulsefire Ez is on the game grid, fighting for the players. The MCP keeps on trying to keep him (and the servers) down and user-free.

    Server: "PFE NOWHERE!"
    PFE: "Not if i have something to say about that!"

    I wonder what my TF2 buddies are doing right about now...

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  • GammarahGammarah Registered User regular
    Speaking of Varus, what seems to be the consensus on which skills to max first? I've been maxing Q, then E, then W, but I'm wondering if W should be maxed before E or not.

  • BurnageBurnage Registered User regular
    edited June 2012
    Varus isn't OP, but I think he's actually a great AD carry to learn the role with. His W makes it easier to last hit, his lack of escapes means that you've got to stay aware of positioning, his E and R provide utility for your team if you're not doing fantastically, and his Q is a great poke skill.

    I might just be saying this because he's the only carry apart from Graves that I do consistently well with.

    Edit: For skill order I max W, then E, then Q. Q's got a good enough ratio that it still does decent damage with no extra skill points, and E improves significantly for no added mana cost. W first is just because I like the AA damage; I think most people agree that E > Q, though.

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  • Hargaad of OmnarHargaad of Omnar New Badges? Fucking BOSS!Registered User regular
    Anybody know where to look for the patch files that got loaded? I've been searching my Riot Games folder all morning, and can't figure it out for the life of me. :\

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  • SatanIsMyMotorSatanIsMyMotor Fuck Warren Ellis Registered User regular
    Super noob question, but what's the difference with going top or bot?

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  • GammarahGammarah Registered User regular
    Super noob question, but what's the difference with going top or bot?

    To go top means to occupy the top lane, usually by yourself, and to go bot is to play in the bottom lane, typically with an AD carry and a support.

  • Metal JaredMetal Jared Mulligan Wizard Rhode IslandRegistered User regular
    Gammarah wrote: »
    Super noob question, but what's the difference with going top or bot?

    To go top means to occupy the top lane, usually by yourself, and to go bot is to play in the bottom lane, typically with an AD carry and a support.

    The other difference is you usually go two bot in order to have more people available to protect dragon since it's an incredibly important objective.

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  • Hargaad of OmnarHargaad of Omnar New Badges? Fucking BOSS!Registered User regular
    Gammarah wrote: »
    Super noob question, but what's the difference with going top or bot?

    To go top means to occupy the top lane, usually by yourself, and to go bot is to play in the bottom lane, typically with an AD carry and a support.

    The other difference is you usually go two bot in order to have more people available to protect dragon since it's an incredibly important objective.

    Not to say Baron isn't, but dragon is more easily attainable with less than your full team. By level 5, you should be able to take dragon with your jungler, AD, and support.

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  • GoumindongGoumindong Registered User regular
    edited June 2012
    Aegis wrote: »
    Kay wrote: »
    Picking support first is a lot better than picking top or mid first though, Aegis!

    Yea but it both leads me open to a counterpick bot lane and doesn't give our team a strong champion off the bat. I don't care about the latter in solo q, but the former hurts somewhat as I'm forced into relatively safe supports rather than ones that can be negated by enemy bot lane/team comp.

    Alistar is good vs everyone(in that he can transition to a safe support if he gets counter picked), lets you swap with your jungle if you do get counter picked and of course prevents the other team from picking Alistar. Like Janna Alistar doesn't have any carries he is particularly bad with, just carries he isn't particularly good with. If you end up running Ashe/Alistar Alistar can still protect Ashe even if they can't turn things into kills as easily.

    He is probably the hardest support to counter pick with maybe the exception of Janna[ i actually think its easier to counter pick Janna]

    Nunu/Soraka/Taric are a lot more dangerous to first pick than Janna or Alistar. Taric gets countered by AD carry picks(sivir) and since his CC is single target and he has no dislocate he absolutely has to be able to find someone out of position. An aggressive support like Nunu or Alistar paired with a long range carry will ruin his day since in order to be valuable he has to close the gap between the carry and the support... or focus the support. Nunu gets countered by anyone who can ignore Nunu(and/or strong harass that forces him to not be in front of the fight). Once they can ignore Nunu he is only his buffs/debuffs and once his AD carry goes down so does the majority of his damage. Soraka gets countered by AD carry picks and support picks. She is terribly easy to deal with as a first pick unless she has a strong tanky carry like graves/urgot our front that she can mana-battery. So if the enemy team picks Soraka, all you have to do is pick Graves/Taric and they're boned as if they put an AD out in front of Soraka you're going to focus and kill them and if they put soraka closer to the front you just kill soraka, ditto graves/blitz or urgot/blitz. Since Roka can't afford to be pulled, this gives you free reign of the brush and if you do ever get their AD Soraka is too far away to help.


    Is it wrong to prefer Sivir over better AD carries?

    Yes, because Sivir is not a "worse" AD carry. It is however, not wrong to prefer Sivir over other AD carries. ATM i think the only thing holding down sivir's popularity is the lack of play she sees in tournaments. And because she is easy to counter pick[IMO Ashe/Ezreal/Cait

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  • PacificstarPacificstar Registered User regular
    edited June 2012
    OK so I know the LW vs MBR argument is a long standing one and LW tends to win out but I was looking into Kog and wondering if MBR would win on him due to the synergy with his W (Bio-Arcane Barrage).

    Thoughts? Numbercrafts?

    It's never been between LW and MBR. It's between Last Whisper and Black Cleaver. MBR has a certain role and it is good for certain champions/situations.

    Agree Cait beats Sivir, and good Ez beats Sivir 1v1 if played right. Not sure about Ashe though. Just need reflexes for that match up.

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  • JoshmviiJoshmvii Registered User regular
    Varega wrote: »
    Smaug6 wrote: »
    So I had a theory that Urgot would be the perfect counter pick to Draven in bot lane because of the axe telegraphing. I saw it last night and boy was it savage. It helped that Draven's support was a derp-crank who was silly picking into urgot/allistar. But none-the-less, I still think that is a ridiculously strong counter pick. I tried using ezreal against draven, didn't work out to well, we can harass with those axes in the minion line and I can't hit him back with q.

    Bought Renekton last night with IP and gave him a few goes. He is tricky getting his harass down, but I really like him in teamfights. I can see me playing a lot more renekton in the future.
    Lizard may be my new second favorite dude. He's super strong, all his abilities reset autoattack timers, and his sustain is awesome (but it pushes the lane hard). He's got tons of itemization choices, Hexdrinker, Brutalizer, Phage, Atmas, Bloodthirster, Tiamat, and he's got a wall clearing escape/disengage.

    He's wonderful.

    Urgot is a great counter pick against any AD. That's basically what he's there for. He's basically for team comps where you want to not fight traditional 5v5 fights, instead using his ult to catch people out after having beaten bottom lane into being behind you. The tradeoff is that if you try to play him like a typical AD carry and dont' win your lane hard, and don't use his ult to create 5v4s, you will probably get stomped because he does nowhere near the damage of a fed Graves, Trist, Kog, or any of the other typical AD carries.

    And yeah, Renekton is one of the best laners in the game, and while his late game is nowhere near as good as some tops, he is so damn good at laning you can often get so far ahead that you end the game with you so far ahead of their top they're a non-factor.

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