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Nexus 7 or iPad?

billwillbillwill Registered User regular
edited June 2012 in Help / Advice Forum
I saw the new Android tablet revealed for $199 and I loved it. Cheap, powerful, and built by Asus, which should mean quality. I would only really use it at home, school, and the law office I intern at, all of which have wi-fi networks for streaming content, so internal storage of 8gb wasn't too big of a deal.

I had added it to my cart on Google Play, updated my credit card info, and was just about to check out when I realized something.

I work for Apple.

Now, I don't really care what people at this company think about me. To be honest, I don't see anyone anyway, since I work at home as tech support. But there are a few discounts I get that make some products significantly cheaper and I need help deciding. So here are the facts.

+ I like Android more than iOS. Yes, I love the simplicity of the latter, and I respect that some people just like to get in and get out, but I just think it's a little boring, too. Apple innovated quite a bit in the beginning, but now they seem to be resting on their laurels and there's just not much that excites me about their products at all. Android, on the other hand, is much more versatile and now (finally) as slick to navigate as iOS. It may not be as easy to understand, but it's just as smooth. I currently own the Galaxy Nexus.

+ Through Apple, I get some big discounts. In about two months, I'll be able to use one huge mega-discount, either knocking $250 off the price of any iPad or $500 off the price of any computer. I can also combine this with my 25% discount. And since I can use the 25% discount first, at the end of everything, quite a bit of money can be taken off whatever product I choose. It's worth noting that the 25% discount can be used one a year per product line and the huge mega-discount can only be used once every three years.

+ I don't need a computer, but I was thinking of purchasing one with my discounts and then finding someone to sell it to, skimming the difference for myself, and maybe using some of that surplus on a tablet. Or is that not as easy as I'm imagining? Perhaps I should just use the $250 on the iPad with the 25% off?

I like Android, I like the ecosystem, but I don't know if I can justify spending ~200 on their tablet when I can get the new iPad for like ~150. However, there is probably some way I can maneuver this so that I can use the discounts to make money and then pocket that money/use it on a tablet. Any ideas or thoughts would be appreciated. Thanks.

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  • a5ehrena5ehren AtlantaRegistered User regular
    It would be really hard to say no to the iPad at those prices. If nothing else, you'd be able to resell it and use the profit to pay for the Nexus 7. I'd think the reselling the iPad would be slightly easier since it costs somewhat less than a MBP (and I'd be kind of scared of doing a multi-thousand $ transaction online or on Craigslist).

  • mtsmts Dr. Robot King Registered User regular
    can you buy an ipad and a computer and get both discounts?

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  • DarkewolfeDarkewolfe Registered User regular
    edited June 2012
    Apple products hold their resale value really, really well. I'd imagine that buying a product on discount and reselling it is considered abusing your discount and would get you fired if caught, for whatever that's worth, however.

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  • billwillbillwill Registered User regular
    @a5ehren: Yes, they certainly do hold resell value, even after a year. That's something else to consider. I could sell it for ~300 when the next iPad comes out and essentially pay ~200 to upgrade to the new one, which is certainly attractive.

    @mts: I can use 25% for both computer and iPad (among other product categories) once a year. I can only use the big discount that either knocks off 500 or 250 dollars once, regardless of which one I choose.

    @Darkewolfe: I'd imagine you're right, and that's definitely something to consider. But they have no way to really find out, and being fired isn't really a deterrent for me. It's a part-time college gig. So while I'll keep it in mind, it's not too big of a deal.

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  • mtsmts Dr. Robot King Registered User regular
    if you can't combine the discounts in a single order you need should probably just get teh computer and sell that to net some money and a tablet since you are getting more money off

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  • GnomeTankGnomeTank What the what? Portland, OregonRegistered User regular
    It's hard to ever recommend an Android tablet over an iPad, at a price point at or above 499, because the ecosystems are night and day. The only time this becomes a "serious" question is when you tart looking at the Kindle Fire.

    Also, I think the Android "flexibility" gets pretty overblown. At an OS level, it really does't do much more than iOS does. There are third party options for a lot of things (such as the launcher, or desktop), but in many cases they are buggy, cost money, and aren't nearly as robust as a first party option. To really "open up" the flexibility of Android, you need to root your device and install a custom ROM. If that's something you're interested in, then Android is a no-brainer, as it's actually possible there and won't be patched away a week after discovering the exploit.

    So, ask yourself this series of questions:

    Do you want to root/jailbreak your tablet? Android
    Do you want to do "things" with your tablet right now, with a rich app ecosystem? iPad
    Are you comfortable waiting (possibly forever) for the Android tablets to have an app ecosystem as rich as iOS, but you really want that sense of freedom? Android
    Do you ever plan to write software you actually want to sell for money? iPad

    (Not sure on the last one, only really applies if you're a developer and want to actually make money from something you write).

    Having had both a Galaxy Tab 10.1 (which is ironic given the court ruling today), and an iPad, I would choose the iPad every time, but I also am very utilitarian. I just want my tablet to do shit, right now, and every time I ask it to. The concepts of freedom and flexibility don't play in to my tablet usage really at all, so that's a personal variable you'll have to measure.

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  • zerzhulzerzhul Registered User, Moderator mod
    edited June 2012
    GnomeTank wrote: »
    It's hard to ever recommend an Android tablet over an iPad, at a price point at or above 499, because the ecosystems are night and day. The only time this becomes a "serious" question is when you tart looking at the Kindle Fire.

    Other things aside, the Nexus 7 is $199, so I think that's part of the dilemma, since it's within the price point where android can be attractive on a tablet.

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  • OrganichuOrganichu poops peesRegistered User, Moderator mod
    edited June 2012
    maybe i'm missing something but shouldn't you 100% apply your discounts to a computer no matter what?

    say you look at a high end retina mbp,

    (2,800 * .75) - 500 = 1,600

    sell it for a hundred bucks off (which you could easily get since it's new in box)

    1,100 bucks in profit. or if you want to sell it quick say 200 bucks off, giving you 1,000 bucks in profit.

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  • billwillbillwill Registered User regular
    Organichu wrote: »
    maybe i'm missing something but shouldn't you 100% apply your discounts to a computer no matter what?

    say you look at a high end retina mbp,

    (2,800 * .75) - 500 = 1,600

    sell it for a hundred bucks off (which you could easily get since it's new in box)

    1,100 bucks in profit. or if you want to sell it quick say 200 bucks off, giving you 1,000 bucks in profit.

    My only issue with that is I can see me not being able to get rid of it. So what would I use? Craigslist? Ebay? I can't see anyone purchasing a brand new computer for a few hundred dollars off from a private seller without them expecting that they're getting scammed or something.

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  • OrganichuOrganichu poops peesRegistered User, Moderator mod
    billwill wrote: »
    Organichu wrote: »
    maybe i'm missing something but shouldn't you 100% apply your discounts to a computer no matter what?

    say you look at a high end retina mbp,

    (2,800 * .75) - 500 = 1,600

    sell it for a hundred bucks off (which you could easily get since it's new in box)

    1,100 bucks in profit. or if you want to sell it quick say 200 bucks off, giving you 1,000 bucks in profit.

    My only issue with that is I can see me not being able to get rid of it. So what would I use? Craigslist? Ebay? I can't see anyone purchasing a brand new computer for a few hundred dollars off from a private seller without them expecting that they're getting scammed or something.

    just wait around until you can find a buyer, i say. ask around friends and family if anyone's interested in the model. i've seen plenty of 'decided it wasn't for me' sales going fine on ebay

    i just glanced there for retina mbp's and saw 3 retina mbp's all going for >2k, all with bids placed

    though it is definitely a lot of money to mess around with, so i totally get not wanting to risk it

  • Love LizardLove Lizard Registered User regular
    edited June 2012
    android tablets suck. i don't know if jellybean changes that much, but it's just messy as hell, and has far fewer good apps.

    personally, I think Microsoft's full Windows 8 Surface Pro will be a much more worthwhile tablet than either the iPad or Nexus.

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  • Love LizardLove Lizard Registered User regular
    edited June 2012
    Organichu wrote: »
    billwill wrote: »
    Organichu wrote: »
    maybe i'm missing something but shouldn't you 100% apply your discounts to a computer no matter what?

    say you look at a high end retina mbp,

    (2,800 * .75) - 500 = 1,600

    sell it for a hundred bucks off (which you could easily get since it's new in box)

    1,100 bucks in profit. or if you want to sell it quick say 200 bucks off, giving you 1,000 bucks in profit.

    My only issue with that is I can see me not being able to get rid of it. So what would I use? Craigslist? Ebay? I can't see anyone purchasing a brand new computer for a few hundred dollars off from a private seller without them expecting that they're getting scammed or something.

    just wait around until you can find a buyer, i say. ask around friends and family if anyone's interested in the model. i've seen plenty of 'decided it wasn't for me' sales going fine on ebay

    i just glanced there for retina mbp's and saw 3 retina mbp's all going for >2k, all with bids placed

    though it is definitely a lot of money to mess around with, so i totally get not wanting to risk it

    The new Retina MBP's have a bad rep. Most web content and non-apple apps aren't optimized for the screen and things look blurry and awkward. And apparently they can't run Diablo 3 much better than the old Pros either.

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  • OrganichuOrganichu poops peesRegistered User, Moderator mod
    i mean, i don't see that leading to them not selling? but fine, order something else. a high end imac or mac pro or whatever.

    the point is the more expensive the better! as always with percentage based discounts.

  • AbracadanielAbracadaniel Registered User regular
    Organichu wrote: »
    billwill wrote: »
    Organichu wrote: »
    maybe i'm missing something but shouldn't you 100% apply your discounts to a computer no matter what?

    say you look at a high end retina mbp,

    (2,800 * .75) - 500 = 1,600

    sell it for a hundred bucks off (which you could easily get since it's new in box)

    1,100 bucks in profit. or if you want to sell it quick say 200 bucks off, giving you 1,000 bucks in profit.

    My only issue with that is I can see me not being able to get rid of it. So what would I use? Craigslist? Ebay? I can't see anyone purchasing a brand new computer for a few hundred dollars off from a private seller without them expecting that they're getting scammed or something.

    just wait around until you can find a buyer, i say. ask around friends and family if anyone's interested in the model. i've seen plenty of 'decided it wasn't for me' sales going fine on ebay

    i just glanced there for retina mbp's and saw 3 retina mbp's all going for >2k, all with bids placed

    though it is definitely a lot of money to mess around with, so i totally get not wanting to risk it

    The new Retina MBP's have a bad rep. Most web content and non-apple apps aren't optimized for the screen and things look blurry and awkward. And apparently they can't run Diablo 3 much better than the old Pros either.

    That's an issue with Diablo 3, not the hardware.

  • billwillbillwill Registered User regular
    android tablets suck. i don't know if jellybean changes that much, but it's just messy as hell, and has far fewer good apps.

    personally, I think Microsoft's full Windows 8 Surface Pro will be a much more worthwhile tablet than either the iPad or Nexus.

    The Windows 8 Surface Pro looks awesome except it's going to cost significantly more than either the Nexus or the iPad.

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  • kaliyamakaliyama Left to find less-moderated fora Registered User regular
    Smart Hero wrote: »
    Organichu wrote: »
    billwill wrote: »
    Organichu wrote: »
    maybe i'm missing something but shouldn't you 100% apply your discounts to a computer no matter what?

    say you look at a high end retina mbp,

    (2,800 * .75) - 500 = 1,600

    sell it for a hundred bucks off (which you could easily get since it's new in box)

    1,100 bucks in profit. or if you want to sell it quick say 200 bucks off, giving you 1,000 bucks in profit.

    My only issue with that is I can see me not being able to get rid of it. So what would I use? Craigslist? Ebay? I can't see anyone purchasing a brand new computer for a few hundred dollars off from a private seller without them expecting that they're getting scammed or something.

    just wait around until you can find a buyer, i say. ask around friends and family if anyone's interested in the model. i've seen plenty of 'decided it wasn't for me' sales going fine on ebay

    i just glanced there for retina mbp's and saw 3 retina mbp's all going for >2k, all with bids placed

    though it is definitely a lot of money to mess around with, so i totally get not wanting to risk it

    The new Retina MBP's have a bad rep. Most web content and non-apple apps aren't optimized for the screen and things look blurry and awkward. And apparently they can't run Diablo 3 much better than the old Pros either.

    That's an issue with Diablo 3, not the hardware.

    I don't disagree, but the same could be said for any Amiga or Mac machine in the pre-modern era - great hardware, but if the software doesn't run for it, who cares? It's an argument for waiting to see if/when developers support retina extensively. Games probably will be the last to follow suit given that priority in descending order is given to consoles, PCs, and macs.

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  • badpoetbadpoet Registered User regular
    edited June 2012
    Get the iPad with the discount, and sell it new in box. Use your profits to buy an Android (or Windows 8 if that's your thing) tablet. By the time you do this, prices on Android tablets other than the Nexus will have dropped (due to its selling price). You'll likely be able to get similar specs with expandable memory, hdmi output, etc.

    The "app environment" argument isn't really true anymore. Sure, iOS has a bagillion apps, but in the end most of them are junk or duplicates. The number is meaningless. Pretty much anything you can do on an iPad, you can do on an Android tablet these days. It may not be exactly the same as an iOS app, or as polished, but it will work. And if you're talking games, then most of the good ones have been showing up on Android now, too.

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  • CormacCormac Registered User regular
    badpoet wrote: »
    The "app environment" argument isn't really true anymore. Sure, iOS has a bagillion apps, but in the end most of them are junk or duplicates. The number is meaningless. Pretty much anything you can do on an iPad, you can do on an Android tablet these days. It may not be exactly the same as an iOS app, or as polished, but it will work. And if you're talking games, then most of the good ones have been showing up on Android now, too.

    I'd argue that while there are duplicate apps on the App Store, the ones that are really good (ie the ones you should/would get) are more polished and have better visual design than what you'd find on Android. Another thing to keep in mind is that there are also far far more dedicated tablet apps on the iOS than there are on Android, so you wont be using phone apps scaled up the tablet size screen.

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  • DarkewolfeDarkewolfe Registered User regular
    As an Android owner, I will admit that iOS gets all the good games we don't get.

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  • a5ehrena5ehren AtlantaRegistered User regular
    Darkewolfe wrote: »
    As an Android owner, I will admit that iOS gets all the good games we don't get.

    This is true. If you want to play games on a tablet, the iPad is the #1 option, no doubt.

  • GnomeTankGnomeTank What the what? Portland, OregonRegistered User regular
    zerzhul wrote: »
    GnomeTank wrote: »
    It's hard to ever recommend an Android tablet over an iPad, at a price point at or above 499, because the ecosystems are night and day. The only time this becomes a "serious" question is when you tart looking at the Kindle Fire.

    Other things aside, the Nexus 7 is $199, so I think that's part of the dilemma, since it's within the price point where android can be attractive on a tablet.

    Oh, I did not know this, thanks for the correction. That does make it tough.

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  • GnomeTankGnomeTank What the what? Portland, OregonRegistered User regular
    Cormac wrote: »
    badpoet wrote: »
    The "app environment" argument isn't really true anymore. Sure, iOS has a bagillion apps, but in the end most of them are junk or duplicates. The number is meaningless. Pretty much anything you can do on an iPad, you can do on an Android tablet these days. It may not be exactly the same as an iOS app, or as polished, but it will work. And if you're talking games, then most of the good ones have been showing up on Android now, too.

    I'd argue that while there are duplicate apps on the App Store, the ones that are really good (ie the ones you should/would get) are more polished and have better visual design than what you'd find on Android. Another thing to keep in mind is that there are also far far more dedicated tablet apps on the iOS than there are on Android, so you wont be using phone apps scaled up the tablet size screen.

    The last part is really important. The iOS environment has way more apps that are native to the iPad, and not just up scaled iPhone versions of the app.

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  • zerzhulzerzhul Registered User, Moderator mod
    GnomeTank wrote: »
    zerzhul wrote: »
    GnomeTank wrote: »
    It's hard to ever recommend an Android tablet over an iPad, at a price point at or above 499, because the ecosystems are night and day. The only time this becomes a "serious" question is when you tart looking at the Kindle Fire.

    Other things aside, the Nexus 7 is $199, so I think that's part of the dilemma, since it's within the price point where android can be attractive on a tablet.

    Oh, I did not know this, thanks for the correction. That does make it tough.

    Yeah, especially since it's packing a quad core Tegra 3.

  • GnomeTankGnomeTank What the what? Portland, OregonRegistered User regular
    At 199, I might buy one just to have a 7" tablet and an Android tablet to play around/develop on. The fact that it's made by Google, and will have a relatively lightly altered version of Android, is a big plus to me.

    Sagroth wrote: »
    Oh c'mon FyreWulff, no one's gonna pay to visit Uranus.
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  • ED!ED! Registered User regular
    billwill wrote: »
    Organichu wrote: »
    maybe i'm missing something but shouldn't you 100% apply your discounts to a computer no matter what?

    say you look at a high end retina mbp,

    (2,800 * .75) - 500 = 1,600

    sell it for a hundred bucks off (which you could easily get since it's new in box)

    1,100 bucks in profit. or if you want to sell it quick say 200 bucks off, giving you 1,000 bucks in profit.

    My only issue with that is I can see me not being able to get rid of it. So what would I use? Craigslist? Ebay? I can't see anyone purchasing a brand new computer for a few hundred dollars off from a private seller without them expecting that they're getting scammed or something.

    You take photos of the machine with a partial serial number and agree to meet only in public. If you sold the new retina for 1600 bucks high end that would not last more than a day or so on CL (depending on where you live of course).

    I agree wit this scenario, since it gets you an iPad and some goodies to go with it.

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  • TheInspectorTheInspector Registered User regular
    As nice a piece of kit the iPad is, I think it's extremely overpriced for the limitations it has. My biggest problem is the lack of expandability; as I don't intend to use the Cloud I want SC/micro SD slots to stick movies etc. on. That's what puts me off the Nexus 7 too - it seems a step backwards. The best tablets to my eyes seem to be the Asus Transformer line, but even they seem overpriced at the moment. I'm hoping the Nexus 7 and the next Kindle Fires trigger a reduction in price across the field.

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  • Blake TBlake T Do you have enemies then? Good. That means you’ve stood up for something, sometime in your life.Registered User regular
    If you don't want to try and hock your discount, you need to ask yourself if you see yourself buying any apple products in the next two years.

    If yes, for sure get an iPad. If no, probably for the nexus.

    Saying that selling the MacBook doesn't seem like the worst idea.

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