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Ruins follows reporter Phil Sheldon as he explores an alternate Marvel Universe where the myriad experiments and accidents which led to the creation of superheroes in the mainstream world instead resulted in more realistic consequences: horrible deformities and painful deaths. He hopes to write a book after interviewing people who were involved with these events, but is on a timetable to complete it because he is dying.
He trips over the corpse of The Punisher in the snowfall, and the issue ends with him on his knees as he begs to be allowed to show the world how this state of affairs came to pass.
It seems too angsty. Whuh-oh! Jean Grey's a whore in the streets! REALISM! GRIT!
It wasn't meant to be more realistic, just a pessimistic response to Marvels that was initially intended to be a "What If?". That series has never really been known for telling stories more substantial than, "Hey, wouldn't it be weird if something different happened and then people died?"
I never understood why Ben Grimm was the only one who got a non-depressing story.
Also: "YOU ALL CAME FROM THIS!!"
I thought that was supposed to be one of many small quirks in the universe that led to it all being so horrific. Ben Grimm doesn't go into space, and so the Fantastic Four dies horrific deaths instead of ending up in the exact spot in the cosmic storm they had to be in to acquire powers and not just strange deaths. It was still kind of depressing that he had to live with the feeling that he was responsible for what happened, though.
I'd guess that the most tragic part of the story was meant to be the seemingly unchanged Valkyrie, an appearance that was supposed to indicate that Phil Sheldon's search for a reason behind the Ruins universe and the seemingly total horror suffered by its people was ultimately misguided. One hero who managed to achieve her potential means that there is no force at work or single decision that took away the chance for everyone to become something great, and everything from the concentration camps to the cannibalism didn't have to happen. Everything wrong with the Ruins universe could have been averted, or turned into something good. It just didn't happen to go that way, for no good reason at all.
For some reason I don't get depressed by it. Maybe I just can't relate to a giant mass of irradiated tumoring green flesh. I think I will check this little mini out. From what I have heard it doesn't seem to go anywhere but I am suprised that Marvel allowed it to be created and published.
I don't really see the appeal of this sort of story. It seems such a trite formula.
1)Take existing characters
2)Strip them of their redeeming qualities
3)Mix in physical and mental disabilities
Meh.
If I want something depressing, or commentary on how bad things can go, I'll turn on the news and see how many Iraqi civillians died in Baghad this week, or read about the rates of HIV infection in Africa.
I haven't read this, but frankly, the Wiki entrance makes this sound like complete garbage. Seems like the comics equivalent of smearing dog shit on a painting and calling it art.
I don't really see the appeal of this sort of story. It seems such a trite formula.
1)Take existing characters
2)Strip them of their redeeming qualities
3)Mix in physical and mental disabilities
Meh.
If I want something depressing, or commentary on how bad things can go, I'll turn on the news and see how many Iraqi civillians died in Baghad this week, or read about the rates of HIV infection in Africa.
I haven't read this, but frankly, the Wiki entrance makes this sound like complete garbage. Seems like the comics equivalent of smearing dog shit on a painting and calling it art.
Depends. I feel that Marvel heroes are so revered that to smeer them with shit might actualy BE art however simple it seems to you.
It's just a simple "What If?", and the only reason I can see for it to be granted undue attention and greater significance than it truly possesses is because it was written by Warren Ellis and is connected to Marvels, which many consider to be one of the most successful attempts to capture the spirit of the Marvel Universe in one book.
It's not art or particularly profound, but then nobody involved tried to pass it off as art or an important work either. It's a diversion, and that's it.
I liked it just because it's so unlikely so many mutations and accidents would turn out so well for the majority of people who have them, that it was nice to see a what-if where the successful ones were the minority (as they are with any real mutation).
i read it, i thought it was interesting. i like the what if marvel stories like zombies and 1602 because the regular story arcs seems to be cheezy and done before too many times.
my favorite part was the reverse magneto. and its funny to see that marvel pretty much rehashed elements of ruins in civil war, but ruins did it better in my opinion.
Ugh, I dunno, this is the kind of thing that I know I'd end up hating. I can't even explain it, it's just the kind of story I don't like, no matter how well it's done.
Ugh, I dunno, this is the kind of thing that I know I'd end up hating. I can't even explain it, it's just the kind of story I don't like, no matter how well it's done.
I know exactly what you mean. Some of the ideas seem neat, but...eeehhhh....
i read it, i thought it was interesting. i like the what if marvel stories like zombies and 1602 because the regular story arcs seems to be cheezy and done before too many times.
my favorite part was the reverse magneto. and its funny to see that marvel pretty much rehashed elements of ruins in civil war, but ruins did it better in my opinion.
I got the first ish, and browsed the second but didnt pick it up because they switched artists a quarter of the way in. Hunted it down many years later though.
You used to be able to pick this series up in quarter boxes, back in the day. It was the Ellis "Look at me, comics are serious business!" response to MARVELS, back in the day, and it failed miserably.
I had a look at the first issue and I can't say it "worked" with me. Some of the things are pretty interesting but ultimatly it feels like one of those "what if"'s where the main theme was to show how the world would be if 99.9% of the superheroes got the shitty end of the stick. It would have worked if the Marvel universe had very few superheroes but now it just seems like a carneval of freaks, misfits and psychos.
The thing I hate about stories like Ruins are that they're so goddamn easy to write, because all you have to do is take an established character (that the audience already knows and loves) and do horrible things to them. Here, let's try it out.
Hal Jordan, upon receiving the Green Lantern ring goes immediately insane as the knowledge of a thousand worlds is thrust into him. Now he lays delirious in a madhouse, screaming about Parallax, a giant bug that has come to kill him.
Green Arrow, upon his very first outing trips and falls from a rooftop. Found by homeless bums, he is beaten to death and has his expensive archery equipment pawned off.
Ted Kord, upon first launching his Bugship, drastically miscalculates, causing his experimental craft to fly spinning into an elementary school. The experimental nuclear engine explodes and destroys over 67% of Hub City. Among the casualties is Vic Sage, world-famous investigative journalist.
Arthur Curry is attacked and killed by a shark. Nobody notices.
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Wait, second most depressing book ever. Hulk: The End is first.
To encourage kids to not dive into radioactive waste I think.
It seems too angsty. Whuh-oh! Jean Grey's a whore in the streets! REALISM! GRIT!
I don't know, it just affected me more than anything else in the book
Anally.
Also: "YOU ALL CAME FROM THIS!!"
I thought that was supposed to be one of many small quirks in the universe that led to it all being so horrific. Ben Grimm doesn't go into space, and so the Fantastic Four dies horrific deaths instead of ending up in the exact spot in the cosmic storm they had to be in to acquire powers and not just strange deaths. It was still kind of depressing that he had to live with the feeling that he was responsible for what happened, though.
I'd guess that the most tragic part of the story was meant to be the seemingly unchanged Valkyrie, an appearance that was supposed to indicate that Phil Sheldon's search for a reason behind the Ruins universe and the seemingly total horror suffered by its people was ultimately misguided. One hero who managed to achieve her potential means that there is no force at work or single decision that took away the chance for everyone to become something great, and everything from the concentration camps to the cannibalism didn't have to happen. Everything wrong with the Ruins universe could have been averted, or turned into something good. It just didn't happen to go that way, for no good reason at all.
Probably because Hulk was gonna be the giant cancer thing of the story.
It'd be a little off-putting to see THIS twice:
That is beautiful!
HULK IN...MIND NUMBING AGONY! FOR FUCKS SAKE, KILL HULK!
1)Take existing characters
2)Strip them of their redeeming qualities
3)Mix in physical and mental disabilities
Meh.
If I want something depressing, or commentary on how bad things can go, I'll turn on the news and see how many Iraqi civillians died in Baghad this week, or read about the rates of HIV infection in Africa.
I haven't read this, but frankly, the Wiki entrance makes this sound like complete garbage. Seems like the comics equivalent of smearing dog shit on a painting and calling it art.
Depends. I feel that Marvel heroes are so revered that to smeer them with shit might actualy BE art however simple it seems to you.
It's not art or particularly profound, but then nobody involved tried to pass it off as art or an important work either. It's a diversion, and that's it.
my favorite part was the reverse magneto. and its funny to see that marvel pretty much rehashed elements of ruins in civil war, but ruins did it better in my opinion.
I know exactly what you mean. Some of the ideas seem neat, but...eeehhhh....
Man, 1602 is golden.
Anally.
Oh god. But I loved it so.
Spider-Man, Spider-Man,
Crippled radioactive blinded man.
Hal Jordan, upon receiving the Green Lantern ring goes immediately insane as the knowledge of a thousand worlds is thrust into him. Now he lays delirious in a madhouse, screaming about Parallax, a giant bug that has come to kill him.
Green Arrow, upon his very first outing trips and falls from a rooftop. Found by homeless bums, he is beaten to death and has his expensive archery equipment pawned off.
Ted Kord, upon first launching his Bugship, drastically miscalculates, causing his experimental craft to fly spinning into an elementary school. The experimental nuclear engine explodes and destroys over 67% of Hub City. Among the casualties is Vic Sage, world-famous investigative journalist.
Arthur Curry is attacked and killed by a shark. Nobody notices.
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