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Chivalry: It's kinda like War of the Roses with more decapitations

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  • Albino BunnyAlbino Bunny Jackie Registered User regular
    It's because the knife attacks so fast and has such a small window to block in.

    Basically good archers with it (I've being practicing but I'm not great) can stun fuck a single guy with it while they desperately try to block.

    Honestly having played Mount and Blade I prefer chivalry much more. You may have a bit more control over your swing in M&B but the sheer impact/speed you get in Chivalry is incredible.

    Though I suppose a lot of that is presentation as well as mechanics.

  • BionicPenguinBionicPenguin Registered User regular
    The thing with archers is that a lot or people tend to assume they're going to be easy prey. Then the person gets in close and finds out "Oh, this archer can parry...NO QUIT STABBING ME!"

    I sometimes play an archer in duels with friends when I feel like being a dick. Take a couple potshots while they close the distance and finish them off with the short sword.

  • CampyCampy Registered User regular
    I really want to give war of the roses a try, the more sim nature of it sounds great. Mount and Blade is an absolute blast, but the learning curve in MP is a goddamn cliff face at this stage in the game.

  • GaslightGaslight Registered User regular
    edited February 2013
    War of the Roses is honestly a markedly inferior game to Chivalry IMO. The combat does give you a little more fine control, like Mount & Blade, but a lot of the time the results feel fiddly and random. Chivalry's combat is more fun and more rewarding.

    The only thing I like better in WotR is playing archer. I played archer the bulk of the time in WotR, in Chivalry I can't be bothered to fuck with it. And that's in part because actual melee combat is more enjoyable in Chivalry.

    Of course, WotR does have horses, which Chivalry does not...but in all my time playing WotR I can't remember ever even seeing two guys on horses fight each other. The usual pattern would be one dude in the server gets a horse, runs a few people over, his horse gets shot out from under him, he gets mobbed and hacked to death, lather rinse repeat.

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  • Albino BunnyAlbino Bunny Jackie Registered User regular
    I'm always in two minds about archery in Chivalry.

    On the one hand WotR's looks much more polished, on the other hand Chivalry's archery is kinda janky and inaccurate in a way that makes hits feel great.

    I just wish it was harder to maintain momentum while side stepping arrows honestly.

  • CampyCampy Registered User regular
    I hate cowardly archers with the fire of a thousand suns in this game. As such I have become rather adept at dodging there arrows as I sprint towards them. Nothing more satisfying than shoving your weapon of choice through an archer's head one shotting them <3

  • GaslightGaslight Registered User regular
    edited February 2013
    People who play archer in dueling servers are pondscum.

    Love ya, BionicPenguin. :D

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  • Albino BunnyAlbino Bunny Jackie Registered User regular
    Campy wrote: »
    I hate cowardly archers with the fire of a thousand suns in this game. As such I have become rather adept at dodging there arrows as I sprint towards them. Nothing more satisfying than shoving your weapon of choice through an archer's head one shotting them <3

    As I discussed towards the front of the thread. A good archer isn't that bastard at the far back field hitting one guy ever 5 arrows.

    Good archers either hold flanks (with the heavy bow) or at the most aggravating pieces of shit who stop your blows from ever working by twanging you with the light bow.

  • CampyCampy Registered User regular
    Regardless of their ability, they're still going to feel the wrath of my two handed mace between their eyes :p

  • RizziRizzi Sydney, Australia.Registered User regular
    I hate this game, but I can't stop playing it.
    I think I might have a real problem.

  • Albino BunnyAlbino Bunny Jackie Registered User regular
    Rizzi wrote: »
    I hate this game, but I can't stop playing it.
    I think I might have a real problem.

    Are you using the maul? It's fustrating at times but I promise it'll addict you with the sickening thud of a cranium bursting.

  • imperialparadoximperialparadox Houston, TXRegistered User regular
    I don't know, I like both Chivalry and War of the Roses, but once you dig into them you find out that they are completely different games.

    In Chivalry, the melee combat is a very visceral experience. You feel weapons as they strike each, your implements have mass and convey a sense of weight that leads to a satisfying experience when you smash an opponent's head in. Combat is brutal, bloody and quick; I think the way the game handles it is probably a good representation of the chaos of mass medieval warfare.

    Despite this, Chivalry also has the possibility for skilled play. There is more to the game than mashing LMB, and you can see this with the guys who dominate the leaderboards as they slaughter several opponents at once.

    War of the Roses, on the other hand, is a much slower game. It has more of a simulation feel to it, with weapon vs. armor type, attack type, and melee range playing a larger focus in combat. However, this leads to a tendency for combats to last longer, as players circle around each other trying to jab one another with hits. Roses is perhaps deeper in its strategy, but I do feel that the game could use a few more grapple-type moves to bring in a more brutality to the combat.

    Also, while perhaps it is just me, the defense game in Roses can sometimes be frustrating. Often, when I specifically try to block in a certain direction, the game registers my mouse movement incorrectly, which can lead to some frustrating deaths. Also, ping seems to be a huge factor in this game, and oddly having a high ping can be beneficial.

    That said, I've been playing Roses more often lately, because I like the leveling / gear unlocking method in the game. I guess I like my carrots. Though I think I would rather have a game where the combat leaned towards Chivalry's implementation, but with the RPG aspects of War of the Roses.

    *I can't really speak much for the ranged gameplay in either title. I like it's implemention in Roses much better, but I'm horrible at ranged in either game.

    *Lastly, while I haven't gotten a chance to play a mounted character in War of the Roses yet, I have seen mounted opponents engage each other quite a bit. Though I will say the majority of the time cavalry circles the battlefied looking to take melee stragglers unawares. This is perhaps a bit realistic though, as I think this is a role that cavalry played in actual warfare.

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  • imperialparadoximperialparadox Houston, TXRegistered User regular
    Honestly, I don't get the archer hate. I'm horrible at being an archer, but I'm pretty decent at avoiding them. You just have to stay aware of your surroundings, utilize cover, and refrain from walking in a straight line.

    However, it would be interesting to see what happened if you were able to create melee only servers. Notably in the arena stage, where bows seems a bit out of place for the setting.

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  • BionicPenguinBionicPenguin Registered User regular
    Gaslight wrote: »
    People who play archer in dueling servers are pondscum.

    Love ya, BionicPenguin. :D

    Don't I know it. I'm a self-hating archer and I do it in duels purely for trolling purposes.

  • grim sbgrim sb Registered User regular
    I unlocked heavy javelins last night. They drop like a rock, but the increased stab/jab damage is more than worth it. Sticking someone in the face/neck point-blank is at *least* as satisfying at a maul shot for me.

    I worked my broad dagger too, but I kept getting flanked by other archers/MAAs. I know it says to adjust mouse sensitivity - but man, these guys were around on my backside before I had time to turn 90 degrees.

  • VedicIntentVedicIntent Registered User regular
    Really good archers on a defending team make things just goddamn brutal. If your own archers suck or aren't anti-archering, every run to the objective is spent dividing your attention between keeping your shield to the archers and watching for melee guys - and then dying because you can't do both very well.

    I didn't know unlocks worked with any weapon in the tier! I got through Vanguard and Knight, but I was miserable trying to level with the light jav. Oh man, that's such a relief.

    Also: Opening with the alternate LMB attack is kryptonite to shield users. And about time...they were fucking impossible to beat with a 2H.

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  • BionicPenguinBionicPenguin Registered User regular
    Goddamn brilliant. I can only imagine the horror of Last Team Standing on a low grav server, though.

  • BasticleBasticle Registered User regular
    thats freaking amazing

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  • SatsumomoSatsumomo Rated PG! Registered User regular
    Rise from your grave!

    With this game being on sale during the summer sale, I know a bunch of you peasants picked up a sword and decided to try to lop-off a knight's head. I got a slight head start and bought this a week ago on a GMG sale.

    I'd love to play with some fine PA folks, so either add me to Steam or post here. I will get on the PA vent whenever I play this, so I hope to see you there too!

  • Ragnar DragonfyreRagnar Dragonfyre Registered User regular
    Honestly, I don't get the archer hate. I'm horrible at being an archer, but I'm pretty decent at avoiding them. You just have to stay aware of your surroundings, utilize cover, and refrain from walking in a straight line.

    However, it would be interesting to see what happened if you were able to create melee only servers. Notably in the arena stage, where bows seems a bit out of place for the setting.

    Archer hate boils down to the same hate people have for camping snipers in FPSes.

    That and there's this odd mentality in the community that Archers don't belong in this game at all.

    Either way, learn the Archer and troll your way to hilarity all day e'ryday. It's amazing just how mad some bros can get.

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  • Albino BunnyAlbino Bunny Jackie Registered User regular
    I think Archer hate comes from archers who stand 50m's back from the front line achieving nothing.

    Archers should be getting at least 30% of their kills by just flat out stabbing a dude, the backstab passive is there for a reason.

    Also if you just got this game:

    a) add Royal Canterlot Voice on Steam

    b) see the maul, ultimate combat ambush, weapon at work

    c) go unlock the maul yourself

    d) join me in a front line known only to our foes as 'the windmill'

  • BasticleBasticle Registered User regular
    edited July 2013
    Theres a reason 99% of my time in this game was spent sprinting overhand Zweihander'ing archers.

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  • Ragnar DragonfyreRagnar Dragonfyre Registered User regular
    I think Archer hate comes from archers who stand 50m's back from the front line achieving nothing.

    Archers should be getting at least 30% of their kills by just flat out stabbing a dude, the backstab passive is there for a reason.

    Also if you just got this game:

    a) add Royal Canterlot Voice on Steam

    b) see the maul, ultimate combat ambush, weapon at work

    c) go unlock the maul yourself

    d) join me in a front line known only to our foes as 'the windmill'

    I still much prefer the poleaxe.

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  • Albino BunnyAlbino Bunny Jackie Registered User regular
    Agathian scum.

    The Pole axe may be technically a better weapon.

    But the pole axe doesn't one shot vanguards.

  • BionicPenguinBionicPenguin Registered User regular
    It's all about the bardiche. I love that thing.

    Also, playing an archer is the best thing when you're actually good at the game. People come after you expecting an easy kill, but whoops shortsword in your face.

  • Ragnar DragonfyreRagnar Dragonfyre Registered User regular
    Agathian scum.

    The Pole axe may be technically a better weapon.

    But the pole axe doesn't one shot vanguards.

    AGATHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

    The Maul is my weapon of choice when I've reached the end of my rope or just want to be the best Barbarian I can be. Exploding heads with it is one of the most satisfying things you can do in that game.

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  • BionicPenguinBionicPenguin Registered User regular
    One of the most memorable moments I've had was defending the battering ram on that map with the filthy peasants. I swung my maul at two attackers and giggled when both their heads exploded.

  • Albino BunnyAlbino Bunny Jackie Registered User regular
    That's the best thing about the maul.

    Just like, afk swing at roughly head height and start giggling like a lunatic.

    Because provided it's not a duel, you gon' pick up kills.

  • Ragnar DragonfyreRagnar Dragonfyre Registered User regular
    The best thing to do in Chivalry is get a bunch of your friends grouped up and run around the map holding the shout button down.

    Eventually your whole team will band together and you'll be one giant mass shouting "AGATHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!" as you charge towards your trembling foes.

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  • Albino BunnyAlbino Bunny Jackie Registered User regular
    I'd awesome rather than agree.

    But we all know the Order is the best faction.

  • SatsumomoSatsumomo Rated PG! Registered User regular
    Archers can annoy me when in such a melee-centric game you suddenly have a match where 75% of the other team is archers who are just picking you off when you're dueling against one of their foot units.

  • Albino BunnyAlbino Bunny Jackie Registered User regular
    Satsumomo wrote: »
    Archers can annoy me when in such a melee-centric game you suddenly have a match where 75% of the other team is archers who are just picking you off when you're dueling against one of their foot units.

    Yeah but a composition like that is really easy to crush.

    Just switch to a vanguard heavy comp or a shield knight and go shove their faces in. A team like that has absolutely zero front line and so just bulking up yours will win you it pretty effortlessly. Also interupting duels is everyones job. Creating unfair situations should be your main goal. When you come up to a brawl you should stop and consider which enemy is the most likely to survive or which friendlies are in the worst position and try and strengthen those fights in your favour. I see tons of people either making the mistake of acting like the game is for 1v1ing or piling 5v1 onto a single target and as a result causing a ton of pointless team damage and getting out of position.

  • SatsumomoSatsumomo Rated PG! Registered User regular
    Oh I entirely agree with you, heck I really like it when I have to defend myself against 2 or 3 people at once, and when you actually beat them it is a feeling of triumph unrivaled by any other game I've played.

    They're just annoying, where I roll my eyes, but I don't get mad at them or anything.

  • ShogunShogun Hair long; money long; me and broke wizards we don't get along Registered User regular
    best/worst thing about archers is that you run so slow it is trivially easy to lead people into your shots. You can try strafing and jumping and all that but it just slows you down even more. One map I was Agatha up on a battlement raining shots down. If they stay on the opposite side of the river its harder to hit them, but as soon as they get within range its neck shots all day. It is also super satisfying though when you flank a bunch of archers or break through their line with a maul or halberd or something. A swing here, a swing there and its missing limbs, screaming, and the best blood gurgles ever.

  • SeraphSwordSeraphSword Sketch Fetishist Austin, TXRegistered User regular
    Biggest complaint for me is the uneven voice acting. The Mason Archer is horrible, whereas the Agatha archer is great. There are still some things I think that need to be fixed (menus on duel servers/more min. rank servers), but it's still the game I've put the most hours into in years. Anytime I'm bored it's the first thing I fire up. Now if there was just some way to teach people that Team Objective shouldn't be played like TDM...

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  • Albino BunnyAlbino Bunny Jackie Registered User regular
    Wait, voice acting?

    But all the voice acting is purposefully over done and hammy. That's what makes it so incredible.

  • SatsumomoSatsumomo Rated PG! Registered User regular
    There is one particular set of voice acting that sounds like some dude recorded in an empty room, I don't know which one is it, but the rest sounds great.

  • ShogunShogun Hair long; money long; me and broke wizards we don't get along Registered User regular
    the most fun I've had with this game was on a low gravity server. Fear the spear.

  • Albino BunnyAlbino Bunny Jackie Registered User regular
    Low grav maulings are the most satisfying things ever.

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