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Onimusha vs. Devil May Cry vs. God of War: which is king?

ZeromusZeromus Registered User regular
edited March 2007 in Games and Technology
So, all of the sudden I feel the urge to grab a PS2 action title on the cheap. As the holy trinity of PS2 action/adventure titles seem to fill that criteria, I'll probably look into one of those (being, to my understanding, Onimusha [3 or Dawn of Dreams], Devil May Cry [1, 3, or the Anniversary Collection], or God of War [1, simply because I don't have it and it's relatively inexpensive), but I don't really know which to get.

Help me, Pennies. Help me.

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    yalborapyalborap Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Would it be wrong of me to say the true right answer is God Hand?

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    ShimShamShimSham Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Devil May Cry 3: Special Edition is $20 and easily one of the best action games I've played in a while, granted you include all the unlockable stuff. It's a great game.

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    ZeromusZeromus Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    yalborap wrote: »
    Would it be wrong of me to say the true right answer is God Hand?

    I had considered that. If someone makes a good enough argument for that, perhaps I'll spend the extra cash to get it. It doesn't seem to be held in the same light as the three I mentioned, though.

    To Shim: if I was to get DMC, I'd probably get the collection, which includes the 3:SE, I believe. To be completely honest, I've played 3, and thought it was beyond frustrating in terms of difficulty (this coming from someone who didn't have any huge problems with Ninja Gaiden). Perhaps another go wouldn't kill me, though.

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    ShimShamShimSham Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Zeromus wrote: »
    To Shim: if I was to get DMC, I'd probably get the collection, which includes the 3:SE, I believe. To be completely honest, I've played 3, and thought it was beyond frustrating in terms of difficulty (this coming from someone who didn't have any huge problems with Ninja Gaiden). Perhaps another go wouldn't kill me, though.
    If you played DMC3 then yes it was very hard for where they started you

    DMC3 SE has the difficulty problems fixed.

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    kriegskriegs Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    yalborap wrote: »
    Would it be wrong of me to say the true right answer is God Hand?

    Oh snap!

    I've never played an Onimusha game before, and I have yet to play God of War 2... so I would go with Devil May Cry. The action is fast and the difficulty is tough.

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    LunkerLunker Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    From what I understand, it depends on how deep you like your action games to be. I haven't played Onimusha since the first title, but DMC3 and God of War are both fantastic games -- DMC3 has a more robust fighting system, IMO, so there are more variables, chainable moves, weapon options, etc. God of War is more straightforward, but I like that all of the moves feel thick and meaty -- good audio design with it -- and the animations are a whole lot more visceral than DMC3.

    What DMC3 also has for it, though, is a very tongue-in-cheek approach. The cutscenes are deliciously cheesy and over-the-top.

    Honestly, they're both $20 so just buy both.

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    KyouguKyougu Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    God of War is the more complete package. The storyline, graphics, music, everything ties in together to make a great game. The gameplay is not the deepest (It can feel pretty button mashy), but it's fun, and the combat is pretty exhilirating.
    DMC 3 is somewhat the opposite. The story is kinda cheesy, and I didn't particular like the level design too much, but the fighting is beyond awesome. You can do so many cool things. I know there was someone around these parts who all but perfected the royal guard and was crazy what he was pulling off.

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    Hotlead JunkieHotlead Junkie Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Very much depends. Although I'd definatley, definatley, DEFINATLEY reccomend DMC3 (and one, but 3 is a prequel and a better game to boot thanks to the more advanced combat), what sort of game are you looking for? A lot of people loved GOW thanks to the epicness of the story, gory combat and serious, more emotional theme of the game. Devil May Cry 3 on the other hand gives a backseat to seriousness and such and puts balls to the wall, hella fun action in the driver's seat.

    I could probably sum it up like this. Would you rather be a badass dude tearing the heads of Medusas and taking on enemies and locations that are ripped straight from Jason and the Arganouts and movies like Gladiator, or, would you rather be throwing dozens of enemies around at once, launching them into insane[i/] combos while dual weilding pistols, an electric guitar from hell before knocking one over and surfing on one while eating pizza?

    For Devil May Cry 3, this video should sum the game up for you http://youtube.com/watch?v=t_tQlFyxMvE

    And as for God of War http://youtube.com/watch?v=JCKudv_f8pY


    Wheras Gow is held together with platforming, cool level deisgn, fun combat and crazy bosses, DMC3 is always balls to the walls action, has a little less platforming and has insane bosses.


    In my opinion, based on combat alone, it felt like GOW did a little too much for you in the Quick Time event moments. In DMC3, you can do crazier shit than what is in the FMVs if you are good enough and you feel so satisfied for doing so


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    Zeromus wrote: »
    yalborap wrote: »
    Would it be wrong of me to say the true right answer is God Hand?

    I had considered that. If someone makes a good enough argument for that, perhaps I'll spend the extra cash to get it. It doesn't seem to be held in the same light as the three I mentioned, though.

    DMC3 and God Hand are both two of my favorite games of all time.

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    FireflashFireflash Montreal, QCRegistered User regular
    edited March 2007
    I share a similar opinion as most other people so far in the thread:

    -If you want a big epic story line with plenty of satisfying gore and kills, flashy animations and impressive locations go for God of War

    -If you want a more robust and in-depth fighting system, DMC3 is the clear winner here. But expect a very cheesy story line + cutscenes, and a pretty standard level design that doesn't have anything worth mentionning.

    But I'd say both games are worth getting, for their different strong points.

    Onimusha pales in comparison to these games: Combat is limited and the games can usually be finished quite fast.

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    TheFallenLordTheFallenLord Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    ShimSham wrote: »
    Zeromus wrote: »
    To Shim: if I was to get DMC, I'd probably get the collection, which includes the 3:SE, I believe. To be completely honest, I've played 3, and thought it was beyond frustrating in terms of difficulty (this coming from someone who didn't have any huge problems with Ninja Gaiden). Perhaps another go wouldn't kill me, though.
    If you played DMC3 then yes it was very hard for where they started you

    DMC3 SE has the difficulty problems fixed.

    I might have to track down a copy of DMC3 SE. I rented DMC3 to see what the fuss was about and got frustrated at the first boss (The dog thing).

    I enjoyed the hell out of God of War, except for the end, which was also incredibly frustrating.
    The end, and that stupid fight where you have to protect Kratos' family from the Kratos clones. That was obnoxious as well.

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    Flesh Into GearFlesh Into Gear Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Ninja Gaiden

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    LewiePLewieP Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Zeromus wrote: »
    yalborap wrote: »
    Would it be wrong of me to say the true right answer is God Hand?

    I had considered that. If someone makes a good enough argument for that...

    will this do?

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    Hotlead JunkieHotlead Junkie Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Another thing I want to say on the subject. I'v found that I don't actually get my kicks form killing things in games, it's from humiliating them first. In Gow, you are a death dealing machine, but after tearing the head off your 100th bad guy it just feels routine. Now, in DMC, in every fight I feel compelled to show off, taunt enemies when they are down, then jump on them and surf them around their buddies a couple of times before slamming their head into a wall. In GOW I'd be running towards the enemy and instantly start tearing them a new one, in DMC3 I'd be feeling, 'Man, you guys are not good enough to fight me' and casually wander into a massive group of bad guys, extremley confident I can whup their ass. Every time I fought Vergil I wouldn't run up to him, just causally pace around him, meet him in the middle of the arena, trade insults then counter his attacks to make him look like an idiot, tearing his head off would just be too easy.

    Even in Streetfighter multiplayer games, I love screwing with my opponents, such as letting them attack me, but instead of trying to dodge, taunt them as the fireball comes closer then effortlessley dodge it before I walk towards them and land some of my own moves on them. Same in Smash Bros Melle.

    If you are the sort of person like me, DMC3 caters to being a cocky asshole beause you get style bonuses for taunting, flashy moves earn more points, leaving it to the last second to dodge or deflect blows is more effective than preparing for them (Royalguard defences). If you want to feel like a badass, play GOW. If you want to feel like a cocky badass, play DMC3. Sort of like, would you rather make fun of an enemy and humilate him by standing with your back to him while casually gunning him and his friends down while laughing, or simply tear his arms off and throw the body at the other guys while screaming?


    EDIT: and as for God Hand, exactly the same deal as DMC3, but replace 'surfing an enemy' with 'kicking him in the nads'. If you like DMC3 you should like God Hand. I'v got freinds who love GoW but don't go anywhere near those two because they are too goofy and silly for them

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    major_tommajor_tom Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    I think everyone can agree that Onimusha doesn't really deserve to me mentioned alongside Gow or DMC.

    I mean Onimusha games can be fun, but the franchise as a whole just totally pales into insignificance next to DMC and GoW (and anyone who told you otherwise is a filthy liar).

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    nobodiesnobodies Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    my 2c...

    God of War > Devil May Cry > Onimusha

    I just finished god of war 2 this weekend and I have to say it is a BLAST. I have seen alot of DMC 3 > than god of war posts here but I really think differently. There are some FUN(though frustrating) unlockables in god of war 2 that make the game insane. Plus the storyline really picked up in GOW2. I was into mythology long before playing this game but once I picked it up I was in love with it from the get go. Yes the fighting in Devil May Cry makes it so you have the think more (Fighting virgil on hard is annoying as hell). But I think the story/levels/ and puzzles of GOD and GOW2 just make the game much more enjoyable.

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    LotharsLothars Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    major_tom wrote: »
    I think everyone can agree that Onimusha doesn't really deserve to me mentioned alongside Gow or DMC.

    I mean Onimusha games can be fun, but the franchise as a whole just totally pales into insignificance next to DMC and GoW (and anyone who told you otherwise is a filthy liar).

    I disagree fully especially with Onimusha 3, I mean i still prefer DMC and GoW but to say Onimusha is insignifigant to the others is a lie.

    All the games have there plus and minuses but I would recommend to try them all if you can.

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    Kewop DecamKewop Decam Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    GoW's boring combat is the reason I can't play it. Everything else about the game is AMAZING, except the combat.

    Also, why isn't Ninja Gaiden in this competition?

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    seeraphaelseeraphael Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    GoW's boring combat is the reason I can't play it. Everything else about the game is AMAZING, except the combat.

    Also, why isn't Ninja Gaiden in this competition?

    Maybe he doesn't have an XBOX.

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    DarkWarriorDarkWarrior __BANNED USERS regular
    edited March 2007
    Also, Ninja Gaiden is hard but not fun.

    Where as DMC is. Also, DMC > GOW. I've played both and GOW is fun but its nowhere near a DMC. The first mini-boss alone in DMC3 took me 20 tries to kill but you gradually improve your skills and now I can waltz through any situation. I know a lot of people had trouble with Adni and Rudra. God they owned me a lot. Now, nothing, because you improve quite impressively as you play.

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    DrunkMcDrunkMc Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    I personally liked GoW better then DMC3. DMC3 just seemed like wave after wave after wave of bad guy. No feeling of exploration or achievement. I felt like it was a good game, but lacking in so many departments.

    God of War was just awesomeness from moment 1 till the last battle. More fun, puzzles, and the combat while not as timing and combo intensive, I found it to be more fun. Good old school button mashing fun.

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    yalborapyalborap Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Also, Ninja Gaiden is hard but not fun.

    Where as DMC is. Also, DMC > GOW. I've played both and GOW is fun but its nowhere near a DMC. The first mini-boss alone in DMC3 took me 20 tries to kill but you gradually improve your skills and now I can waltz through any situation. I know a lot of people had trouble with Adni and Rudra. God they owned me a lot. Now, nothing, because you improve quite impressively as you play.

    I'd disagree with you on that one. There is something inherently fun about carving through enemies as a badass ninja. It's not quite the same kind of fun as kicking a gay man in the balls or surfing on a demon's back, but it's fun all the same.

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    Kewop DecamKewop Decam Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Ninja Gaiden is only hard for those who suck and don't realize you can't mash your way to victory.

    Also, the reason I don't like GoW much is the reason lots of people love it. It's all about the flavor you enjoy more than which is better.

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    templewulftemplewulf The Team Chump USARegistered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Is it trolling if I say "Ninja Gaiden"? 'cause I wanna say "Ninja Gaiden".

    If you're only PS2, I prefer DMC3 (but as has been said, make sure it's the special edition), but that's because I loves me some fighting games. God of War is much more pick-up-and-play, but I feel like it isn't nearly as deep. Onimusha isn't my thing gameplay-wise, but the atmosphere and characters are pretty neat.

    Basically, it depends on what subdivision of action gameplay you want. DMC3 will make you pull your hair out until you actively change how you play it. There is no half-assing that game, but GoW makes you look pretty cool with little effort.

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    Damn it, NG got mentioned more than a couple of times while I was posting. Now I have said effectively nothing. Uh...keep up the good work, guys?

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    Hotlead JunkieHotlead Junkie Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    I think we can all agree on that it is a case of personal taste. They are all great games in their own right, but the fact of the matter is, if you enjoyed watching someone play any of these games (GOW, DMC3 or God Hand) for a couple of munites there is a damn good chance you will enjoy the full game. For example, DMC3 has me at "This party's gettin' crazy! Let's rock!" when I first saw the first trailer for it and I instantly knew it was the game for me, same with God Hand's ass-kicking into orbit-ness. GOW is a fine game, but nothing seemed to grab me about it like it did a lot of people, but then again I'm the sort of guy who gets turned off by seeing similar things in games so I crave crazienes and wackhiness. GoW is a great game but it 'felt' like any other action game after I had played so many off the wall and insane games at that moment in time. People who enjoy their serious epic action games will love GoW but personally I need something a little more lighthearted rather than 'KILL KILL HUAAARGH!' when it comes to gaming these days.

    EDIT: I'm not big on storylines in games so these opinions are pretty much all based on gameplay.

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    VaLiantineVaLiantine Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    I have never played an Onimusha title, I guess I was turned off by the Resident Evil-ish puzzles (which I hated) and I wanted a pure action game. My opinion of the series turned when I saw the E3 trailer for Onimusha 3 and all dicks were cumming after that.

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    tyrannustyrannus i am not fat Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    God of War is orgasmic.

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    LunkerLunker Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Here's what Gabe and Tycho would say:

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    FireflashFireflash Montreal, QCRegistered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Yep, but let's not mention the fact that you have no control over the fight, it is entirely scripted and the only super badass moves you pull off against it are the ones that the game chose for you. Every single time you will fight that colossus the battle will be fought out exactly the same way, with the same moves

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    ZeromusZeromus Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    To answer some queries in this thread, I have and love Ninja Gaiden, but I was curious specifically about the three franchises I brought up here.

    And based upon what everyone's been saying, I think I'm going to check out the Devil May Cry Anniversary Collection, or maybe God Hand instead, though I'm still curious about Onimusha 3 or Dawn of Dreams.

    Although... God of War is still pretty appealing. If I had more money in my gaming budget right now, I probably would just scoop up all of these. :p

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    LavaKnightLavaKnight Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    God of War really shines with it's setpiece battles. The normal fights do a good job of testing your ability, especially on God difficulty, but the combat system does lack when compared with DMC 3.

    I was never able to get through the twins on DMC 3, so I feel more strongly about GoW, but they both are pretty darn good. The original DMC is still my favorite action game, but you might look at it differently now that it has seen two sequels.

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    A-RodA-Rod Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    God of War is much more fun than DMC 3, pick GOW up.

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    KuratosuKuratosu Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Zeromus wrote: »
    To answer some queries in this thread, I have and love Ninja Gaiden, but I was curious specifically about the three franchises I brought up here.

    And based upon what everyone's been saying, I think I'm going to check out the Devil May Cry Anniversary Collection, or maybe God Hand instead, though I'm still curious about Onimusha 3 or Dawn of Dreams.

    Although... God of War is still pretty appealing. If I had more money in my gaming budget right now, I probably would just scoop up all of these. :p

    It would be great if you could snag 'em all. But if you can only get one of those mentioned I would say God Hand, with DMC3 in an extremely close second. There isn't a damn thing for me to say without being redundant to the thread, so I'll just say that I wholeheartedly agree with what Hotlead said about taste being a huge factor. I love the depth of DMC3 and God Hand, but the real selling point for me was the tongue in cheek and whimsical humor, which is very apparent in God Hand.

    Check out the God Hand thread, to hear us gush about the game and its fantastic silliness.

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    GraviijaGraviija Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    I know this isn't technically the topic, but since it's been brought up...

    I think Ninja Gaiden is one of the best action games ever made, if not the best, period. It is insanely deep, and once you learn the nuances, you pull off some unbelievably cool moves.

    All the being said, I think the big bosses in the game (as in, the BIG monsters - Tentacle thing, bone dragon(s), Lava Dragon, the second to last boss...thing) are not in any way as fun or demanding as fighting a humanoid opponent. They're OK, but boss battles aren't NGs high point - it's the personal, one on one fighting with another ninja-ish enemy, where you can really use some of your more impressive moves.

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    RenzoRenzo Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Onimusha has a totally different focus than God of War or Devil May Cry. It has slower combat, is more focused on exploration, and the puzzles slow down the game even more. I wouldn't compare the three.

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    yalborapyalborap Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    A-Rod wrote: »
    God of War is much more fun than DMC 3, pick GOW up.

    You're the sort of person who hates fun, aren't you?

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    tyrannustyrannus i am not fat Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    yalborap wrote: »
    A-Rod wrote: »
    God of War is much more fun than DMC 3, pick GOW up.

    You're the sort of person who LOVES fun, aren't you?

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    ZeromusZeromus Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Renzo wrote: »
    Onimusha has a totally different focus than God of War or Devil May Cry. It has slower combat, is more focused on exploration, and the puzzles slow down the game even more. I wouldn't compare the three.

    I was under the impression that the third and fourth entries of the series put a much greater focus on the combat.

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    yalborapyalborap Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Rentilius wrote: »
    yalborap wrote: »
    A-Rod wrote: »
    God of War is much more fun than DMC 3, pick GOW up.

    You're the sort of person who LOVES fun, aren't you?

    Nobody who would say the game in which you can surf on enemies and slay them with a demonic guitar that shoots electric bats is the worse game can enjoy fun. NOBODY.

    EDIT: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycLWgieZ5K8 I present this as an example.

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    RenzoRenzo Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Zeromus wrote: »
    Renzo wrote: »
    Onimusha has a totally different focus than God of War or Devil May Cry. It has slower combat, is more focused on exploration, and the puzzles slow down the game even more. I wouldn't compare the three.

    I was under the impression that the third and fourth entries of the series put a much greater focus on the combat.

    The third one did, but it still retained the exploration and puzzles. Combat got a little more in-depth, but it was still "stand here and slash" for the most part. I haven't played the fourth one, Dawn of Dreams.

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    Dr. Phibbs McAtheyDr. Phibbs McAthey Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    yalborap wrote: »
    Rentilius wrote: »
    yalborap wrote: »
    A-Rod wrote: »
    God of War is much more fun than DMC 3, pick GOW up.

    You're the sort of person who LOVES fun, aren't you?

    Nobody who would say the game in which you can surf on enemies and slay them with a demonic guitar that shoots electric bats is the worse game can enjoy fun. NOBODY.

    EDIT: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycLWgieZ5K8 I present this as an example.

    But can he do a cock pushup?
    I hold that Kratos could.

    Ok, I'll shut up.

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