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[Android: Netrunner] Ice Ice Baby

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  • FaranguFarangu I am a beardy man With a beardy planRegistered User regular
    Athenor wrote: »
    What, you don't have the credits to rez 15-cost ice all day every day? :D I'll probably add that HB exec that lets me return cards to my hand as well with that one.

    Shock works in the archives, yes A nasty meta people have been playing around with is throwing 6 1-point agendas into a Jinteki archives, + 1-3 shocks.

    here are the current destroyers in the game.

    Oh. At first I misread Sharpshooter, and thought it was 2 creds for 1 strength. But as it is...that's quite a handy little bacon-saver, as the better examples of destroyers in there (Archer, Rototurret, Ichi, Swordsman) are fairly common.

    Also, I like that Jinteki meta you're talking about. Ballsy stuff. Also, it gives people a reason to run copies of Deus X in their decks, and I'm all for bringing back cards into gameplay that most people write off as either fairly useless or incredibly situational.

  • PMAversPMAvers Registered User regular
    Activist Support's definitely neat, although sucks that it only works if the corp doesn't have any bad pub already. Would be cooler if it kept stacking it up the longer it's out, but it's handing the Corp the ability to blow itself up every turn too.

    Leverage is goddamn amazing. Oh, look, all that Jinteki/HB ice that does net/brain damage? If they let Leverage fire, it's not doing any damage now, and you can run with impunity for the rest of the turn not having to worry about breaking them.

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  • AthenorAthenor Battle Hardened Optimist The Skies of HiigaraRegistered User regular
    Farangu wrote: »
    Athenor wrote: »
    What, you don't have the credits to rez 15-cost ice all day every day? :D I'll probably add that HB exec that lets me return cards to my hand as well with that one.

    Shock works in the archives, yes A nasty meta people have been playing around with is throwing 6 1-point agendas into a Jinteki archives, + 1-3 shocks.

    here are the current destroyers in the game.

    Oh. At first I misread Sharpshooter, and thought it was 2 creds for 1 strength. But as it is...that's quite a handy little bacon-saver, as the better examples of destroyers in there (Archer, Rototurret, Ichi, Swordsman) are fairly common.

    Also, I like that Jinteki meta you're talking about. Ballsy stuff. Also, it gives people a reason to run copies of Deus X in their decks, and I'm all for bringing back cards into gameplay that most people write off as either fairly useless or incredibly situational.

    With that play, Deus X would only save you from taking 1 of those 7-9 points of net damage. Might be enough to save your bacon, and has enough uses to include in general.

    Where are you playing that Deus X is written off? Card is godlike if you have the MU to just let it sit there.

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  • GuibsGuibs Weekend Warrior Somewhere up North.Registered User regular
    PMAvers wrote: »
    Activist Support's definitely neat, although sucks that it only works if the corp doesn't have any bad pub already. Would be cooler if it kept stacking it up the longer it's out, but it's handing the Corp the ability to blow itself up every turn too.

    Leverage is goddamn amazing. Oh, look, all that Jinteki/HB ice that does net/brain damage? If they let Leverage fire, it's not doing any damage now, and you can run with impunity for the rest of the turn not having to worry about breaking them.

    Leverage is nice but The Corp can nulify it by simply taking 2 bad publicity. If you running around my ice and I know the damage that you would receive would seriously cripple you or kill you, I'd take the 2 bad publicty without thinking about it.

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  • FaranguFarangu I am a beardy man With a beardy planRegistered User regular
    Athenor wrote: »
    Farangu wrote: »
    Athenor wrote: »
    What, you don't have the credits to rez 15-cost ice all day every day? :D I'll probably add that HB exec that lets me return cards to my hand as well with that one.

    Shock works in the archives, yes A nasty meta people have been playing around with is throwing 6 1-point agendas into a Jinteki archives, + 1-3 shocks.

    here are the current destroyers in the game.

    Oh. At first I misread Sharpshooter, and thought it was 2 creds for 1 strength. But as it is...that's quite a handy little bacon-saver, as the better examples of destroyers in there (Archer, Rototurret, Ichi, Swordsman) are fairly common.

    Also, I like that Jinteki meta you're talking about. Ballsy stuff. Also, it gives people a reason to run copies of Deus X in their decks, and I'm all for bringing back cards into gameplay that most people write off as either fairly useless or incredibly situational.

    With that play, Deus X would only save you from taking 1 of those 7-9 points of net damage. Might be enough to save your bacon, and has enough uses to include in general.

    Where are you playing that Deus X is written off? Card is godlike if you have the MU to just let it sit there.

    Actually, as I read it I think it'll stop everything. When you access archives you access every card in there simultaneously, and you can trash Deus to prevent "any amount" of net damage.

  • ShortyShorty touching the meat Intergalactic Cool CourtRegistered User regular
    Farangu wrote: »
    Athenor wrote: »
    Farangu wrote: »
    Athenor wrote: »
    What, you don't have the credits to rez 15-cost ice all day every day? :D I'll probably add that HB exec that lets me return cards to my hand as well with that one.

    Shock works in the archives, yes A nasty meta people have been playing around with is throwing 6 1-point agendas into a Jinteki archives, + 1-3 shocks.

    here are the current destroyers in the game.

    Oh. At first I misread Sharpshooter, and thought it was 2 creds for 1 strength. But as it is...that's quite a handy little bacon-saver, as the better examples of destroyers in there (Archer, Rototurret, Ichi, Swordsman) are fairly common.

    Also, I like that Jinteki meta you're talking about. Ballsy stuff. Also, it gives people a reason to run copies of Deus X in their decks, and I'm all for bringing back cards into gameplay that most people write off as either fairly useless or incredibly situational.

    With that play, Deus X would only save you from taking 1 of those 7-9 points of net damage. Might be enough to save your bacon, and has enough uses to include in general.

    Where are you playing that Deus X is written off? Card is godlike if you have the MU to just let it sit there.

    Actually, as I read it I think it'll stop everything. When you access archives you access every card in there simultaneously, and you can trash Deus to prevent "any amount" of net damage.

    negative, ghostrider

    as per the rulebook, accessing in archives works the same as it does everywhere else

    the only difference is that you get to see all cards before you choose what order you access them

    from page 18: "The runner accesses all cards in Archives and any upgrades in its root. The runner turns all cards faceup before accessing them, and does not need to keep them in order."

    then, under Accessing Multiple Cards: "When accessing multiple cards, the runner accesses them one at a time in the order he likes...The Runner must fully resolve his access to a card (steal it, pay to trash it, etc.) before accessing the next card."

    right now the most net damage you can block in that kind of archives run is 2, or up to 5 if you have clone chips and plenty of money to keep using Deus X

  • One Thousand CablesOne Thousand Cables An absence of thought Registered User regular
    Guibs wrote: »
    PMAvers wrote: »
    Activist Support's definitely neat, although sucks that it only works if the corp doesn't have any bad pub already. Would be cooler if it kept stacking it up the longer it's out, but it's handing the Corp the ability to blow itself up every turn too.

    Leverage is goddamn amazing. Oh, look, all that Jinteki/HB ice that does net/brain damage? If they let Leverage fire, it's not doing any damage now, and you can run with impunity for the rest of the turn not having to worry about breaking them.

    Leverage is nice but The Corp can nulify it by simply taking 2 bad publicity. If you running around my ice and I know the damage that you would receive would seriously cripple you or kill you, I'd take the 2 bad publicty without thinking about it.

    Two bad pub is still a significant advantage to have, especially if the corp doesn't have a way to get rid of it. If said corp takes the bad pub instead of letting me have a damage-free turn, that tells me a lot about what their gameplan for the immediate future is.

  • CerberusCerberus Registered User regular
    I'm not convinced that its good enough to warrant the deck space. The main damage you worry about as runner is from SE and it doesn't stop that. Worse you've already run on HQ so they can SEA Source. It may be solid against Jinteki damage decks, but there are better counters.

  • tzeentchlingtzeentchling Doctor of Rocks OaklandRegistered User regular
    ...Garrotte seems mostly useless, especially at 2MU cost. I'd rather just have Ninja, since I'd probably need to pump its strength anyway to take on most Sentries.

    SCF seems dangerous - corp losing 1 of its 3 clicks seems like a bad thing unless you have a LOT of double events.

    Panic Button is definitely the stand-out card in this set, but RSVP comes darn close.

    TGTBT and Sweeps Week are both sweet cards.

  • CerberusCerberus Registered User regular
    Sweeps Week is the standout card IMO, you will see it everywhere...

  • PMAversPMAvers Registered User regular

    SCF seems dangerous - corp losing 1 of its 3 clicks seems like a bad thing unless you have a LOT of double events.

    ...SCF is a resource. It's a runner card, man. :D

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  • ShortyShorty touching the meat Intergalactic Cool CourtRegistered User regular
    I could maybe see SCF in a weird slow-play criminal deck with a bunch of prepaid voicepads, plus all three running interference, hostage, and lawyer up

    in fact I think I'll head over to my deckbuilder of choice and see what I can whip up in that respect

  • xiearsxiears It isn't sexual Strictly confectionalRegistered User regular
    edited January 2014
    Cerberus wrote: »
    Sweeps Week is the standout card IMO, you will see it everywhere...

    This. First turn Sweeps Week against Andy is insane.

    Really not seeing the appeal of Activist Support, at least currently, at best your forcing a broke corp to miss a turn trashing it, and u still end up with a tag. SCF is a very situational card, but as more tasty double events come out it could be useful. Can the runner trash a resource when installing a new one the same as when they install a new program? if so it may be more useful as a one off when you have 3 doubles in your grip.

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  • AthenorAthenor Battle Hardened Optimist The Skies of HiigaraRegistered User regular
    Garrote fills a wonderful Corroder-like niche for sentries. And because of that, it is expensive as hell to run. If you can afford it, it's probably one of the most efficient breakers out there. Which is weird to say, given how Criminal's been known for having crappy breakers with the exception of Femme and Faerie and Nin---

    Holy shit, Criminal is the faction of sentry breakers.

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  • CerberusCerberus Registered User regular
    Keyhole looks good, against a weak R&D it is devastating. Probably even more than Medium. Though it does make JH even better...

  • RiusRius Globex CEO Nobody ever says ItalyRegistered User regular
    Athenor wrote: »
    Garrote fills a wonderful Corroder-like niche for sentries. And because of that, it is expensive as hell to run. If you can afford it, it's probably one of the most efficient breakers out there. Which is weird to say, given how Criminal's been known for having crappy breakers with the exception of Femme and Faerie and Nin---

    Holy shit, Criminal is the faction of sentry breakers.

    Anarch = Barrier breakers (anarchists riot, tearing down walls)
    Criminal = Sentry breakers (criminals thieve, sneaking past or incapacitating guards)
    Shaper = Code Gate breakers (Shapers code, dude!)

  • PMAversPMAvers Registered User regular
    edited January 2014
    I just noticed that Sweeps Week isn't a Transaction.

    Shuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuun.

    PMAvers on
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  • jakobaggerjakobagger LO THY DREAD EMPIRE CHAOS IS RESTORED Registered User regular
    The best thing about Keyhole is you aren't accessing the three cards, only the one you choose, so you can dig through R&D without fear of Snare, Shock etc.

  • PinfeldorfPinfeldorf Yeah ZestRegistered User regular
    Getting a Medium to 3~ virus counters and then dropping a Keyhole to run on R&D 3 times is going to end a seriously large amount of games. This is a thing I want to do. Please let me do a thing.

  • One Thousand CablesOne Thousand Cables An absence of thought Registered User regular
    PMAvers wrote: »
    I just noticed that Sweeps Week isn't a Transaction.

    Shuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuun.

    Yeah, that's the first thing I checked for. I'd still be wary of including it at 2 inf per card, though.

  • FaranguFarangu I am a beardy man With a beardy planRegistered User regular
    edited January 2014
    Pinfeldorf wrote: »
    Getting a Medium to 3~ virus counters and then dropping a Keyhole to run on R&D 3 times is going to end a seriously large amount of games. This is a thing I want to do. Please let me do a thing.

    I don't think that'll work. Keyhole doesn't let you access cards, so while you could certainly use that to place more counters on Medium, you're not going to be doing Keyhole runs and looking at more than 3 cards.

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  • EndaroEndaro Registered User regular
    edited January 2014
    Farangu wrote: »
    Pinfeldorf wrote: »
    Getting a Medium to 3~ virus counters and then dropping a Keyhole to run on R&D 3 times is going to end a seriously large amount of games. This is a thing I want to do. Please let me do a thing.

    I don't think that'll work. Keyhole doesn't let you access cards, so while you could certainly use that to place more counters on Medium, you're not going to be doing Keyhole runs and looking at more than 3 cards.

    Agreed, look closely at Keyhole. You do not access cards at any time, so even if you find an Agenda with Keyhole you cannot score it. Medium explicitly kicks in when you access, allowing you to access more.

    Edit: And on that note, I think Keyhole is a little overrated for how much love it's getting right now. At 4 cost and 2 memory, it's not much better than Imp +Medium. Imp gets two trashes (or 3 with Grimoire) each, and Medium lets you access the whole time, so you have the option to score what you find as well as trashing the highest value card. You also can potentially access far more than three. The only real advantage of Keyhole is you look instead of access and can avoid a Snare. I'm not sure it's worth the memory/space to trash one card a run.

    Endaro on
  • jakobaggerjakobagger LO THY DREAD EMPIRE CHAOS IS RESTORED Registered User regular
    Yeah, like I said, that is actually part of the attraction of Keyhole, but it also means it doesn't really combo with Medium. It's more an alternative to Medium, and one that looks superior in several ways - not vulnerable to ambushes, not vulnerable to virus purges.

  • FaranguFarangu I am a beardy man With a beardy planRegistered User regular
    I prefer to look at it as a slightly expanded, renewable Demolition Run.

  • KaneskiKaneski Registered User regular
    Keyhole feels like a targetted setup for a Noise one-run-win-game on Archives. Play viruses for a while to shotgun some agendas into Archives, then keyhole a couple of times to 'top up', then one big archives run.

    Other than that... still feels like Medium, R&DI are the better option, snare or no snare.

  • jakobaggerjakobagger LO THY DREAD EMPIRE CHAOS IS RESTORED Registered User regular
    With no virus counters, Keyhole will let you look at up to 12 cards from R&D in one turn, without fear of ambushes. That is some serious digging.

    Medium has to build up counters that can then be removed, and you can be hit by ambushes.

  • FaranguFarangu I am a beardy man With a beardy planRegistered User regular
    Keyhole also lets you trash 4 of those cards, including ordinarily untouchable ICE and events.

  • EndaroEndaro Registered User regular
    Presuming, of course, you have a way to get in four times. I'm not really tapped in to the larger meta, but I feel like I've heard you guys mention R&D is one of the focal points right now. Wouldn't it be pretty Iced up?

  • jakobaggerjakobagger LO THY DREAD EMPIRE CHAOS IS RESTORED Registered User regular
    Endaro wrote: »
    Presuming, of course, you have a way to get in four times. I'm not really tapped in to the larger meta, but I feel like I've heard you guys mention R&D is one of the focal points right now. Wouldn't it be pretty Iced up?

    Well, that is as true of R&D interface and Medium as it is of Keyhole.

  • AthenorAthenor Battle Hardened Optimist The Skies of HiigaraRegistered User regular
    Also, that's best case scenario, as you shuffle the corp's deck after each look.

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  • FaranguFarangu I am a beardy man With a beardy planRegistered User regular
    edited January 2014
    True, but you're always drawing three cards. Odds are that at least one of them will be a card you couldn't touch ordinarily.

    I just can't wait until I get to take a Wotan or Janus and just say "BYE"

    Farangu on
  • tzeentchlingtzeentchling Doctor of Rocks OaklandRegistered User regular
    Quick OCTGN question - is there any way to check the legality of a Netrunner deck? Make sure it has the right amount of agenda points or not too much influence? I can't seem to find it in the deck builder.

  • KaneskiKaneski Registered User regular
    Should be able to host a local game and load the deck, and it will tell you

  • AthenorAthenor Battle Hardened Optimist The Skies of HiigaraRegistered User regular
    Considering I play howlers, I'd LOVE it if you decided to trash a Wotan or Janus. :D

    OCTGN checks the decks when they are loaded, and warns the other player if they are illegal.


    Tonight I played my Kate shaper deck. I got out the insanity-rig almost like I wanted it, but it was way too slow and HB scored a ton of points on me. Sigh. I was too scared in the beginning, like I always am. :(

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  • CerberusCerberus Registered User regular
    Endaro wrote: »
    Presuming, of course, you have a way to get in four times. I'm not really tapped in to the larger meta, but I feel like I've heard you guys mention R&D is one of the focal points right now. Wouldn't it be pretty Iced up?

    Ice destruction decks are popular right now and it fits very nicely into that theme.

  • AthenorAthenor Battle Hardened Optimist The Skies of HiigaraRegistered User regular
    Yay! I love new datapack day!

    Now if only we could see the identity card for g00ru, I'd be a happy camper.

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  • mightyspacepopemightyspacepope Registered User regular
    Quick question about sleeving cards:

    Is there any reason to have any more than 2 different colored/backed sleeves (1 for Runner, 1 for Corp)? For example, in the Star Wars LCG, I use one type of sleeve for Light side objectives, another for Light side command cards, another for Dark side command cards, and another for Dark side objectives?

    I'm getting a core soon and I want to be able to sleeve the cards.

  • AthenorAthenor Battle Hardened Optimist The Skies of HiigaraRegistered User regular
    Nope. Only need 2 types of sleeves. If you are planning on sleeving the whole game, go with opaque backs so you can sleeve promo cards.

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  • InquisitorInquisitor Registered User regular
    You would be fine with even one type of sleeve, though I think color coding the sides does make for a prettier board.

    So, from those card spoilers. Shock looks awesome to me! Once it's in your archives there is no way for the runner to get rid of it, is there? And they have to access it everytime they run on archives? Just want to make sure I am understanding it correctly.

    And it has a trash cost of 2? God I want it so bad.

  • AthenorAthenor Battle Hardened Optimist The Skies of HiigaraRegistered User regular
    Correct. You always access all cards in the archives (you choose the order), and it fires on any access.

    It's a wonderful card for Jinteki. In fact, I'd say the Spin Cycle has been most excellent to Jinteki compared to all the other corps, though NBN is a very close second.


    In runner news, I think I'm gonna do the insane. I'm gonna make a deck built around Starlight Crusade funding. It'll be not nearly as effective until Power Nap and a few more doubles come out, but given how many people are calling it a crap card, I think it has its place.

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