[WOW] Mists of the Patch of the Thunder King of Pandaria

FairchildFairchild Rabbit used short words that were easy to understand, like "Hello Pooh, how about Lunch ?"Registered User regular
edited March 2013 in MMO Extravaganza
World of Warcraft: Mists of Pandaria

The fourth expansion. New stuff:

New continent: Pandaria. http://www.wowpedia.org/Pandaria

New race: Pandaren. http://www.wowhead.com/race=25

New class: Monk. http://www.wowhead.com/class=10

New talent system: http://www.wowhead.com/talent

New challenges: Challenge Mode. http://www.wowpedia.org/Challenge_Mode

New dungeon type: Scenarios. http://www.wowpedia.org/Scenario

New way to spend lots of time: Pet Battles. http://www.wowpedia.org/Pet_battles

New way to get your hands dirty: Sunsong Ranch. http://www.wowpedia.org/Sunsong_Ranch

New patch: Patch 5.2, Thunder Isle. Arrives February 26 March 5. http://www.wowhead.com/news=209855/5-2-ptr-thunder-isle-zone-preview. Thunder King video:

New purchaseable mount: Swift Windsteed. http://www.wowhead.com/item=92724

You're right, the OP is not very pretty. To make up for it, here's AJ McCarron's girlfriend: http://atlanta.cbslocal.com/2013/01/08/nfl-player-tweets-number-to-alabama-quarterbacks-girlfriend-during-game/

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  • FairchildFairchild Rabbit used short words that were easy to understand, like "Hello Pooh, how about Lunch ?" Registered User regular
  • MuddBuddMuddBudd Registered User regular
    New way to spend lots of time: Waiting for the goddamn Minfernals to spawn

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  • PenumbraPenumbra Registered User regular
    MuddBudd wrote: »
    New way to spend lots of time: Waiting for the goddamn Minfernals to spawn

    I didn't have that problem with the Minfernal or Plagued Whelping! Despite being an avid pet battler and collector, I was happy with the first one of each I collected and did not seek rares of either, despite a desire to actually use them in battles.

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  • FairchildFairchild Rabbit used short words that were easy to understand, like "Hello Pooh, how about Lunch ?" Registered User regular
    Heh. I have not quested in the Krasarang Wilds before, and just did the "I took an arrow to the knee" quest.

  • HalfmexHalfmex I mock your value system You also appear foolish in the eyes of othersRegistered User regular
    Penumbra wrote: »
    MuddBudd wrote: »
    New way to spend lots of time: Waiting for the goddamn Minfernals to spawn

    I didn't have that problem with the Minfernal or Plagued Whelping! Despite being an avid pet battler and collector, I was happy with the first one of each I collected and did not seek rares of either, despite a desire to actually use them in battles.

    I would love to see just one so I could capture them, don't care about the quality, but those two pets specifically have some ridiculously low spawn timers. Combined with a very tiny spawn area and CRZ, count yourself very lucky if you found one.

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  • BrainleechBrainleech 機知に富んだコメントはここにあります Registered User regular
    I have made the mistake of going to the wow forum and offering suggestions about how they can fix the Minfernal and Whelpling alas I get people showing off they have it and how they got it

  • The Dude With HerpesThe Dude With Herpes Registered User regular
    Oy. Got killed on Vizer in LFR and a moment later my PC rebooted itself. By the time I got back I had been kicked from the raid and saved to Vizer. I mean, I got the loot bag and a Wisdom Sigil; so it's not like I want away empty handed; but man people are fucking sensitive about players supposedly 'afking'. I wouldn't have died if we didn't have shit tanks who just stood there like tards and let a couple people die on each platform before they bothered taunting.

    I'm mainly annoyed because there's no way I'm going to get an in progress Approach so I'll have to go through all that fucking trash hell before Vizer and do that boss again for no reason. Bleh.

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  • Eat it You Nasty Pig.Eat it You Nasty Pig. tell homeland security 'we are the bomb'Registered User regular
    happy: we killed heroic will (ugh 70 attempts)

    sad: this was my night out and we're not gonna go back for like, ever probably

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  • The Dude With HerpesThe Dude With Herpes Registered User regular
    So the cool kid priest thing to do now on blade lord, apparently, is to lifegrip the unseen strike target away right before he hits them in order to kill them and probably a couple other people.

    Rad.

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  • BlendtecBlendtec PittsburghRegistered User regular
    Got into the Lion's Landing scenario on my enhance shaman. Priest and mage decently geared. Jump down to avoid the spawns. Nope, they run and get them all. I figure we should be good, shadow priest and mage can aoe lots. Nope, single targeting. By the end of the scenario I had done 70% of the damage in the group. I used to think the game matched you based on gear, geared people with less geared to help them, but I guess it somehow knows when people are just horrible. I'm gonna do a paid name change to Atlas, because I have never not carried a scenario.

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  • The Dude With HerpesThe Dude With Herpes Registered User regular
    edited January 2013
    Oy.

    If anyone was wondering, specifically, why I hate the loot system in LFR so much.

    Two weeks, 5 raids each. 16 bosses each week, 3 tokens each week. 1 drop (last week, not a thing this week except one sigil). 38 total 'rolls', and one item. If I add the week before that, 57 'rolls' and 2 drops.

    It's been three weeks since I've got anything in LFR on my pally I could use too. I've gotten a few drops but every one has been a duplicate of something I already had (I've gotten 3 sha maces now...). If I counted, I've gotten 2 maces, a third set of the plate str bracers and uh....glove token. So 4 items; even on him 57 'rolls', 4 items.

    Yes, yes, small sample size; I've had between a 3% and 7% drop rate in LFR, for the last 3 weeks, at least. Incidentally, when I was doing DS LFR after 5.0 went live before MoP came out, I was running it on all my characters still and my math worked out, across ten characters, to about a 4% drop rate after the loot system change. So I'm not surprised it's still in that range; but back then it wasn't potentially keeping me out of future content.

    As I said before, my paladin is over the current 5.2 LFR ilvl threshold. By my DK isn't even close. At this rate, I might get him into the 5.2 LFR sometime in June? No, probably before that, but it'll be from VP gear, not LFR gear.

    Yeah yeah, bitch bitch bitch. Forgive me for being irritated for wasting hours sitting in queue and then hours more in LFR for a laughable amount of gold.

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  • belligerentbelligerent Registered User regular
    If its a waste then stop playing. Ive yet to read a positive thing from you.

  • InvisibleInvisible Registered User regular
    What's the quickest way to grind JP? Without capping valor first. I plan on leveling my warrior up after I get my mage done, but plate is the only heirloom set I don't have (well and mail, but I already have all mail classes at 90).

  • JediNightJediNight Registered User regular
    Terrace + Charm every week since it's been out on two characters in LFR + Stone guard + charm on my main since october in normal and LFR. and 4 months of raiding BWD et al in early Cata. Not seen a single raid weapon drop.

    Get on my level. :)

  • JavenJaven Registered User regular
    I do feel like now that everything is 'hidden' from the player they're taking the opportunity to fudge the numbers s bit in favor of preventing players from gearing quickly, but that's pure 100% speculation. They did seem to take the 'worst case scenario' when deciding on what the rolling benchmark was going to be for getting an item though.

  • TheBigEasyTheBigEasy Registered User regular
    edited January 2013
    As for the ilvl 486 requirement:
    Patch 5.2 LFR Item Level Requirement
    So I can pretty much be guaranteed to get a full set of ilevel 483 in a few runs. But I need ilevel 486 for the next patch, which means I would have to spend valor on pretty much 15 items to upgrade them.
    I wouldn't look too much into the ilevel 486 requirement for now. As the PTR is in constant development, things may change before the release of patch 5.2.

    Even if it doesn't change, there's level 496 gear available outside of normal raiding which you can get as well, and would help you get to the 486 ilevel requirement. (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

    So it might not be that high when it goes live.

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  • NobodyNobody Registered User regular
    Something tells me I'm not going to be able to get all of the Direhorn mounts. I'm curious if the rares that drop them are going to stick around after 5.2

  • JediNightJediNight Registered User regular
    Javen wrote: »
    Javen wrote: »
    I do feel like now that everything is 'hidden' from the player they're taking the opportunity to fudge the numbers s bit in favor of preventing players from gearing quickly, but that's pure 100% speculation. They did seem to take the 'worst case scenario' when deciding on what the rolling benchmark was going to be for getting an item though.

    They're quoted as saying it's a 16% chance from the boss kill, and charm rolls. So indeed, random luck is random.

  • IshtaarIshtaar Fun is underrated. Registered User regular
    edited January 2013
    If its a waste then stop playing. Ive yet to read a positive thing from you.

    No, it's a valid concern. Psychologically, Blizz is literally "doing it wrong."

    I'm going to switch things over to casino terms because that's where I've worked for (holy shit) 14 years. (and there's a lot of crossover)

    Here's a quick article that gives the basics of the psychology of slot machines, which one of the things that Blizz fucked up a bit. (The numbers are a bit off in that article, the actual payout amounts are $.85-.$.95 on the dollar, anyway) So note one of the tricks is 'the “near-miss” factor.' Yeah, they took this out in LFR. We know that 1-84 roll loses and an 85-100 roll wins, but we don't see it anymore. Do you think roulette would be as popular if the ball just fell from the center into a number without the windup? So first off, we're losing out on that by not seeing loot rolls at all in LFR.

    Second bit, so note the payout ratio on slot machines. Minimum of 85%, generally. So ever dozen 'pulls on the handle' (everyone uses the button now) or so, there's a little "jackpot.' You don't care as much that you're losing money, because you're winning too! Yay, fun times! This is why there should be some kind of token in the [fuck you gold] box. You're losing, but you're still winning a little! They actually did a decent job introducing this concept with the achievement system, if you ever wondered "why the hell is there an achievement for [trivial nonsense]?" that would be why. It's the little in-between rewards of "winner!"

    I'm off to a meetings half the day, I'll try to elaborate more when I'm caffeinated later.

    TL:DR - I have 14 years (seriously, holy shit) experience in tricking people into thinking they're having fun when they're actually losing their shirt, one of the Blizz designers needs to take Casino gaming 101.

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  • Mc zanyMc zany Registered User regular
    The problem with the old system was not luck. It was the fact that players abused the system to get loot. This included going into an LFR in a large group and splitting the items between them and people needing on everything. Blizzard removed all that by making it purely luck based and now there is much qq'ing. I personally find it hilarious that there has been this massive clamor from the internet about pandering to casuals but the first time they do something to make the game more hardcore the complaints start.


  • SaraLunaSaraLuna Registered User regular
    they could've fixed that by just making lfr drops non-tradeable & with strict rolling restrictions.
    there would still be assholes rolling on all they could to sell/de, but the major exploiters would be shut down.

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  • PenumbraPenumbra Registered User regular
    edited January 2013
    Mc zany wrote: »
    The problem with the old system was not luck. It was the fact that players abused the system to get loot. This included going into an LFR in a large group and splitting the items between them and people needing on everything. Blizzard removed all that by making it purely luck based and now there is much qq'ing. I personally find it hilarious that there has been this massive clamor from the internet about pandering to casuals but the first time they do something to make the game more hardcore the complaints start.

    They didn't make it more hardcore. They made it less rewarding and less fun. They are sometimes confused for being the same thing but they are not.

    Hardcore I don't mind. I've done hardcore, I would do it again if it was rewarding. Instead I'll stick with fun and casual thank you.

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  • BobbleBobble Registered User regular
    The thing to remember about complaining that you see on the internet: It's coming from a small percentage of the population. As soon as a change is made, some other percentage then speaks up to complain about the change. Nobody goes onto the forums to write a post/Master's Thesis/rant about how great they think a particular feature is. When they're satisfied with a product, they just keep on using it.

    Unless of course we have a cool feature like Hope, Happy, Hate.
    Really freakin' Happy: Discovering that the weekly cap on guild rep was removed, and that it's easier to get.
    Also happy: Finding a stockpile of glyphs in my scribe's bank and seeing which ones are (allegedly) worth 250g a pop now.
    Happy: 150 battle pets collected, woo celestial dragon!
    Hope: I can find a decent resource on battle pets strategy (ie, good pets to level), since my pokemon strategy back in the day usually involved as much brute force as anything.
    Hate: My luck in heroic drops so far. I keep swapping between heals and dps, so as to maximize seeing 'off spec' drops.

  • IshtaarIshtaar Fun is underrated. Registered User regular
    Bobble wrote: »
    Unless of course we have a cool feature like Hope, Happy, Hate.
    Really freakin' Happy: Discovering that the weekly cap on guild rep was removed, and that it's easier to get.
    Also happy: Finding a stockpile of glyphs in my scribe's bank and seeing which ones are (allegedly) worth 250g a pop now.
    Happy: 150 battle pets collected, woo celestial dragon!
    Hope: I can find a decent resource on battle pets strategy (ie, good pets to level), since my pokemon strategy back in the day usually involved as much brute force as anything.
    Hate: My luck in heroic drops so far. I keep swapping between heals and dps, so as to maximize seeing 'off spec' drops.

    I made up a quick guide on the best pets by type many pages back, hopefully this will get you started. You definitely don't have to get the "best" when you're starting out though, as long as you're not using one that's weak against the trainers pets you'll be fine until probably Outland or so.

    The one pet you reeeeeeeeally want to pick up is Fluxfire Feline, he's being nerfed in 5.2 but he'll still be pretty OP for PvE battles. He has ridiculous burst with Supercharge -> Windup, they're bringing Supercharge down to 125% from 150% damage and increasing the cooldown by a turn.

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  • NobodyNobody Registered User regular
    Speaking of FFF, is it still worthwhile to find an S/S one or is S/P going to be fine given the 5.2 changes?

    Reason I'm asking is the rare I've found is S/P, but I have a green S/S that I'm farming for stones for.

  • BobbleBobble Registered User regular
    edited January 2013
    Nobody wrote: »
    Speaking of FFF, is it still worthwhile to find an S/S one or is S/P going to be fine given the 5.2 changes?

    Reason I'm asking is the rare I've found is S/P, but I have a green S/S that I'm farming for stones for.

    <3 Ish, and what the hell does S/P vs S/S mean? Speed/Power?

    Also, I have a stone to turn an undead pet rare. Guessing I should try to find a scourged whelpling, and it'll turn even a gray or white one into a blue, right?

    And I do have a FFF, but it's gray quality :(

    Bobble on
  • BrainleechBrainleech 機知に富んだコメントはここにあります Registered User regular
    I had a gray but I scored a mech and aqua stone yesterday out of the same bag so now it's blue

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  • fortyforty Registered User regular
    I think it's confusing that the Blade Lord spawns more wind things than the Wind Lord.

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  • BrainleechBrainleech 機知に富んだコメントはここにあります Registered User regular
    edited January 2013
    Werid I went a did the eastern kingdom's pet battle daily saw a bunch of eyes were up and caught a blue one but what happened?
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  • fortyforty Registered User regular
    JediNight wrote: »
    Javen wrote: »
    Javen wrote: »
    I do feel like now that everything is 'hidden' from the player they're taking the opportunity to fudge the numbers s bit in favor of preventing players from gearing quickly, but that's pure 100% speculation. They did seem to take the 'worst case scenario' when deciding on what the rolling benchmark was going to be for getting an item though.

    They're quoted as saying it's a 16% chance from the boss kill, and charm rolls. So indeed, random luck is random.
    Yup. Which, as I posted about in the last thread, is a worst case scenario of how loot worked in 4.3 DS LFR.

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  • Eat it You Nasty Pig.Eat it You Nasty Pig. tell homeland security 'we are the bomb'Registered User regular
    oh fuck, the new rare mount is a triceratops

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  • BobbleBobble Registered User regular
    Brainleech wrote: »
    Werid I went a did the eastern kingdom's pet battle daily saw a bunch of eyes were up and caught a blue one but what happened?

    Not sure which part you're asking about. The 'weakened by capture' thing has usually happened to me once I've started catching higher level things. I only started a week or two ago, so if it's a recent change I wouldn't notice.

  • Jubal77Jubal77 Registered User regular
    Remember this is the system that was yelled for by the WoW community and by many here as well. Hell there were several here that want 5 mans to use the same system too.... ugh.

  • SaraLunaSaraLuna Registered User regular
    Bobble wrote: »
    Brainleech wrote: »
    Werid I went a did the eastern kingdom's pet battle daily saw a bunch of eyes were up and caught a blue one but what happened?

    Not sure which part you're asking about. The 'weakened by capture' thing has usually happened to me once I've started catching higher level things. I only started a week or two ago, so if it's a recent change I wouldn't notice.
    it has been that way since 5.0:
    pets between 16-20 lose one level when you capture them
    pets between 21-25 lose two levels when you capture them
    if you use an upgrade stone on a high level pet it loses levels in the same manner (which can be a bonus in the long run, cause it counts both times you hit 25 in the "level x pets to 25" chievo)

  • BlendtecBlendtec PittsburghRegistered User regular
    Blizzard's change to the 5.2 LFR ilevel. Fair warning, official forums.
    And now for something completely different!

    No, it's actually not different at all ;)
    Just wanted to share some updated info we have with you guys: At this moment our intent is to change Thunder King’s LFR ilvl requirement to 480, we also want to lower the Honor gear in patch 5.2 from 483 to 476, compensating with some bonus PvP stats, so that the gear remains as powerful for PvP but not allow players to use it as a quick shortcut into LFR.

    Like always, everything is subject to change, we’re still in PTR stage folks! And we all know that even on live things can still change, while we always strike to avoid doing that (and that’s why we have a PTR), gameplay comes first, so if a change is urgently needed, we do our best to apply it as fast as possible.

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  • IshtaarIshtaar Fun is underrated. Registered User regular
    edited January 2013
    Nobody wrote: »
    Speaking of FFF, is it still worthwhile to find an S/S one or is S/P going to be fine given the 5.2 changes?

    Reason I'm asking is the rare I've found is S/P, but I have a green S/S that I'm farming for stones for.

    I would still lean toward S/S, since they're total glass cannons. I haven't had a chance to play around with the change, but even with the new math you shouldn't need a S/P to 1 shot most things. (The bigger nerf for PvP is the cooldown) Things could still change though, so there's that.
    Bobble wrote: »
    Nobody wrote: »
    Speaking of FFF, is it still worthwhile to find an S/S one or is S/P going to be fine given the 5.2 changes?

    Reason I'm asking is the rare I've found is S/P, but I have a green S/S that I'm farming for stones for.

    <3 Ish, and what the hell does S/P vs S/S mean? Speed/Power?

    Also, I have a stone to turn an undead pet rare. Guessing I should try to find a scourged whelpling, and it'll turn even a gray or white one into a blue, right?

    And I do have a FFF, but it's gray quality :(

    You have guessed correctly! H = Health, P = Power, S = Speed, B = Balance. Pets have a hidden breed and gender that you can see via mods.There's a chart somewhere on this site under breed that gives you the breakdown of what multipliers each gets, it affects their level 25 stats by a bit. (it's all sorts of broken for me from work, or I'd link to the right page) Not every pet can be every breed either, there's another chart in there that gives a breakdown of that as well. But an S/S means they get a big bonus to Speed, S/P means they get a smaller bonus to Speed and Power.

    Breed does matter to an extent... For PvP it definitely does, since everyone will gravitate to using the "best." A S/S will always hit before a S/P of the same pet type. It's not essential if you just want to battle trainers, but it absolutely does help.

    I'd recommend holding onto that Undead stone for a Scourged Whelpling, getting a rare in the wild is like winning RNG lotto 3x. They're infuriatingly rare to find at all.

    I leveled with a green FFF of the "wrong" breed, when I finally got a Mech stone I used that on a grey and powerleveled him. It' only takes 30-60 minutes with two 25's just wandering around the Panda zones to get one up.

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  • The Dude With HerpesThe Dude With Herpes Registered User regular
    edited January 2013
    Blendtec wrote: »
    Blizzard's change to the 5.2 LFR ilevel. Fair warning, official forums.
    And now for something completely different!

    No, it's actually not different at all ;)
    Just wanted to share some updated info we have with you guys: At this moment our intent is to change Thunder King’s LFR ilvl requirement to 480, we also want to lower the Honor gear in patch 5.2 from 483 to 476, compensating with some bonus PvP stats, so that the gear remains as powerful for PvP but not allow players to use it as a quick shortcut into LFR.

    Like always, everything is subject to change, we’re still in PTR stage folks! And we all know that even on live things can still change, while we always strike to avoid doing that (and that’s why we have a PTR), gameplay comes first, so if a change is urgently needed, we do our best to apply it as fast as possible.

    I'm curious if they're going to lower the ilvl for the 483 pvp gear people already have, or if it'll just be for future purchased pvp gear (because the 483 gear will be honor at that point).

    Kinda weird, but it makes sense, assuming they'll put appropriate pvp power/res to make up the difference and have the 476 stuff be just as effective in PvP as the 483 stuff currently is.

    At 480, the 476 gear will still be a quicker shortcut to 480 than doing LFR unless they bump up the drop rate in LFR by a ton. Honor is trivial to get and you can just put on a few VP accessories, and/or the 489 rewards from klaxxi/GL and you're over 480. That's not a complaint, just an observation.
    If its a waste then stop playing. Ive yet to read a positive thing from you.

    Then you have yet to actually read most anything I post. Feel free to put me on ignore. EDIT: I mean, apparently I'm not allowed to vent after about 8 hours of queues and LFR and coming away empty handed. I guess every single experience you have in WoW is just puppies roses and sex, and you never have anything frustrating happen and you've never vented once, not ever.

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  • NobodyNobody Registered User regular
    Ishtaar wrote: »
    Nobody wrote: »
    Speaking of FFF, is it still worthwhile to find an S/S one or is S/P going to be fine given the 5.2 changes?

    Reason I'm asking is the rare I've found is S/P, but I have a green S/S that I'm farming for stones for.

    I would still lean toward S/S, since they're total glass cannons. I haven't had a chance to play around with the change, but even with the new math you shouldn't need a S/P to 1 shot most things. (The bigger nerf for PvP is the cooldown) Things could still change though, so there's that.

    Thanks! I was kind of afraid of that. I was the scourge of about 6 servers (give or take) where I killed or captured every FFF that I could find over a 6 hour period :P

  • FairchildFairchild Rabbit used short words that were easy to understand, like "Hello Pooh, how about Lunch ?" Registered User regular
    So, Living Steel. The only way to get it is for a Transmuter to create it from a stack of Trillium, either with or without a one day cooldown, right ? Seems to be the big moneymaker on the AH these days. I have a Shaman Alchemist Transmute guy languishing at Level 83, sounds like I should punch him thru to 85 and rake in the glod.

  • TheBigEasyTheBigEasy Registered User regular
    ARGH ... Black Temple is an absolute bitch to solo. Why the fuck is everything in there immun to the growl of my pet and thus goes after me instead of being tanked by the fucking lava turtle?

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