I originally wrote off Bayonetta as a standard action game with over-sexualized heroine. Oh, and I also don't have a 360, so I tend to write off any game for hardware I don't possess. But apparently Bayonetta played it in a way that is endearing as fuck or something, because I cannot find anyone that hates this game.
it is the game that springs to mind as the best answer to the question "what is a video game"
like, for someone who has no idea what a video game is, like an alien or a time traveler from the past
this is what i'd show them
i don't even own a 360 and i love it
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I didn't get the Wii for Xenoblade. I'm not about to get a WiiU for Bayonetta 2. Then again, that new Monolith Soft "X" trailer did look.... nice.... must... resist...
I originally wrote off Bayonetta as a standard action game with over-sexualized heroine. Oh, and I also don't have a 360, so I tend to write off any game for hardware I don't possess. But apparently Bayonetta played it in a way that is endearing as fuck or something, because I cannot find anyone that hates this game.
In the genre of over-the-top 3D action games there are a few Gold Standards.
Devil May Cry - the grandaddy of them all
Devil May Cry 3 Special Edition - the pinnacle of that series
God of War - the most brutal and visceral (also the worst protagonist in history IMHO)
Ninja Gaiden: Black - the most ninja-tastic and difficult
Bayonetta blows them all away. It's literally the Platinum standard.
Of course there's other stuff too. Wannabes like Too Human and Heavenly Sword, there's the Suda 51 stuff (No More Heroes, Lollipop Chainsaw) which make up for their jankiness with how clever they are, there's the upcoming Metal Gear Solid Revengeance which looks like a contender.
But, end of the day, nothing does it better than Bayonetta.
So, there is a fine line, if you want to portray a "sexy female heroine" in media.
The great thing about Bayonetta, is that it pretty much goes FUCK THAT SHIT, and ingnores the line completly. Bayonetta is goddamn Bayonetta. She's not empowered female protaganist. She's going to kick your goddamn ass with a gigantic hair dog while striking a totally ridiculous pose 90% naked and you are going to DEAL WITH IT.
She's a character, not a cypher, which is an EXTREMLEY important distinction
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MorninglordI'm tired of being Batman,so today I'll be Owl.Registered Userregular
edited January 2013
She's just fucking immune to that bullshit that's all you need to know.
That kind of stuff is for characters that actually have to, you know, compromise and live a life by rules and limitations.
She doesn't have any of those. She does exactly what she wants to do at all times and nobody gets to force her to do anything else. Anyone who tries she obliterates.
There's no power differentials to worry about because she's literally stronger than God.
Also God is female. I really liked that.
I'm cool with buying a 500 dollar copy of Bayonetta 2. I just wish I didn't have to. But if that's what I have to do then that's what I have to do. Nothing I can do about it. I was more or less mollified when I heard that Sega went pants on head about it.
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She's just fucking immune to that bullshit that's all you need to know.
That kind of stuff is for characters that actually have to, you know, compromise and live a life by rules and limitations.
She doesn't have any of those. She does exactly what she wants to do at all times and nobody gets to force her to do anything else. Anyone who tries she obliterates.
There's no power differentials to worry about because she's literally stronger than God.
Also God is female. I really liked that.
I'm cool with buying a 500 dollar copy of Bayonetta 2. I just wish I didn't have to. But if that's what I have to do then that's what I have to do. Nothing I can do about it. I was more or less mollified when I heard that Sega went pants on head about it.
Satan is female too!
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MorninglordI'm tired of being Batman,so today I'll be Owl.Registered Userregular
Yep Bayonetta is a matriarchy universe in every layer.
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MongerI got the ham stink.Dallas, TXRegistered Userregular
Also that the male lead spends the entire game following her around like a lost puppy and not really accomplishing anything of note.
Luka, Cereza and the cat escaping had me laughing so much
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DragkoniasThat Guy Who Does StuffYou Know, There. Registered Userregular
edited January 2013
All this talk about feminism and stuff is great but I have a more important question.
"Are you guys ready to go VROOM?"
That said as far as the discussion goes I will say this. I feel that when people talk about sexism they feel the only way to rectify that is to completely remove sexuality from the equation.
The thing I love about Bayonetta is that she is confident in all aspects of her personality. Yes, she is over-the-top but no more than say a male action hero like Dante because, like Dante, she IS an over-the-top action hero.
I can't find this one guy who posted these amazing videos of various people playing. It was japanese and etc. One had a video of playing the motorbike section on non stop infinite climax against white gracious and glorious and he just stayed in the air the whole time. I stopped subscribing at one point for some reason and now he's lost in the youtube ether.
He had another video where he was doing absolutely crazy shit with simultaneous wicked weaves using some kind of buffering thing. He was getting three coming out at once all on the same creature. I think I posted them in the bayonetta thread I'll have to go back and trawl through it.
You're in luck, I found out I had those vids bookmarked:
All this talk about feminism and stuff is great but I have a more important question.
"Are you guys ready to go VROOM?"
That said as far as the discussion goes I will say this. I feel that when people talk about sexism they feel the only way to rectify that is to completely remove sexuality from the equation.
The thing I love about Bayonetta is that she is confident in all aspects of her personality. Yes, she is over-the-top but no more than say a male action hero like Dante because, like Dante, she IS an over-the-top action hero.
it's fantastic that one of the absolute best action games out there manages to pass the bechdel test with flying colors
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According to @surrealitycheck i seem to be the only one who liked the Missle flying bit of the first. I loved it, then you get the best fight in the game, even better!
She's just fucking immune to that bullshit that's all you need to know.
That kind of stuff is for characters that actually have to, you know, compromise and live a life by rules and limitations.
She doesn't have any of those. She does exactly what she wants to do at all times and nobody gets to force her to do anything else. Anyone who tries she obliterates.
There's no power differentials to worry about because she's literally stronger than God.
Also God is female. I really liked that.
I'm cool with buying a 500 dollar copy of Bayonetta 2. I just wish I didn't have to. But if that's what I have to do then that's what I have to do. Nothing I can do about it. I was more or less mollified when I heard that Sega went pants on head about it.
Arguably, she's independent to the extent that
even her most significant interpersonal relationship is with herself.
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Mojo_JojoWe are only now beginning to understand the full power and ramifications of sexual intercourseRegistered Userregular
I don't remember God showing up in Bayonetta. Or possibly I'd starting skipping cut scenes by then.
Homogeneous distribution of your varieties of amuse-gueule
Skipping cutscenes in Bayonetta is one of the worst things I have ever seen a human being admit to.
Must i quote your anime watching log, some of that makes me cry tears of blood just thinking about. Though, Bayonetta's custscenes are (mostly) gold. Best one is Luka trying to kiss Bayo, almost managing it when she drops him
Yeah, Bayonetta straddles (hyuck) a razor thin line between misogynistic and over the top absurd but I have literally never met anyone who's played the game that finds it to have fallen on the bad side of that. A lot of people have said "I would be embarassed to play that" but they haven't played it.
Bayonetta is the best everything ever.
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I played Bayonetta while my 3 nieces and my nephew were watching. My nieces were 10, 10 and 12 while my nephew was 11. They fucking loved the SHIT out of the game. The first cutscene, they were all "why is she a nun?" and I just said "wait for it..." and then...well you guys know the rest.
Needless to say, one of the first things my nephew said to his dad later was "Dad, I want guns on my shoes!"
I played Bayonetta while my 3 nieces and my nephew were watching. My nieces were 10, 10 and 12 while my nephew was 11. They fucking loved the SHIT out of the game. The first cutscene, they were all "why is she a nun?" and I just said "wait for it..." and then...well you guys know the rest.
Needless to say, one of the first things my nephew said to his dad later was "Dad, I want guns on my shoes!"
This story needs to be told every Christmas.
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KlykaDO you have anySPARE BATTERIES?Registered Userregular
I played Bayonetta while my 3 nieces and my nephew were watching. My nieces were 10, 10 and 12 while my nephew was 11. They fucking loved the SHIT out of the game. The first cutscene, they were all "why is she a nun?" and I just said "wait for it..." and then...well you guys know the rest.
Needless to say, one of the first things my nephew said to his dad later was "Dad, I want guns on my shoes!"
I originally wrote off Bayonetta as a standard action game with over-sexualized heroine. Oh, and I also don't have a 360, so I tend to write off any game for hardware I don't possess. But apparently Bayonetta played it in a way that is endearing as fuck or something, because I cannot find anyone that hates this game.
she is sexualised
but because she gets absolute control and agency over everything they manage to play her as sexually intimidating rather than sexually available (this is even deliberately played up in the game, as they add in a handsome male love-interest style character then have her walk all over him)
there are still a lot of embarrassing crotch shots though. its a thin line
Bayonetta is a game which is very easy to dismiss at first glance and frankly I would not blame a single person for doing so. It is an amazing game though. It manages to be a better version of Viewtiful Joe, crucially eliminating the gigantic difficulty spikes that plagued the game.
I never go the impression Jubileus was actually God, just that the cult of the Light had held her up as such. She seemed much more like a god of destruction to me.
And Bayonetta gets special note just for being a game where you actually beat the Patriarch senseless with a stand-in for a giant severed penis.
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it is the game that springs to mind as the best answer to the question "what is a video game"
like, for someone who has no idea what a video game is, like an alien or a time traveler from the past
this is what i'd show them
i don't even own a 360 and i love it
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I would like this to happen. But I don't think it will.
I was annoyed for a while, but I think I've made my peace with it.
All right, people. It is not a gerbil. It is not a hamster. It is not a guinea pig. It is a death rabbit. Death. Rabbit. Say it with me, now.
In the genre of over-the-top 3D action games there are a few Gold Standards.
Devil May Cry - the grandaddy of them all
Devil May Cry 3 Special Edition - the pinnacle of that series
God of War - the most brutal and visceral (also the worst protagonist in history IMHO)
Ninja Gaiden: Black - the most ninja-tastic and difficult
Bayonetta blows them all away. It's literally the Platinum standard.
Of course there's other stuff too. Wannabes like Too Human and Heavenly Sword, there's the Suda 51 stuff (No More Heroes, Lollipop Chainsaw) which make up for their jankiness with how clever they are, there's the upcoming Metal Gear Solid Revengeance which looks like a contender.
But, end of the day, nothing does it better than Bayonetta.
The great thing about Bayonetta, is that it pretty much goes FUCK THAT SHIT, and ingnores the line completly. Bayonetta is goddamn Bayonetta. She's not empowered female protaganist. She's going to kick your goddamn ass with a gigantic hair dog while striking a totally ridiculous pose 90% naked and you are going to DEAL WITH IT.
She's a character, not a cypher, which is an EXTREMLEY important distinction
That kind of stuff is for characters that actually have to, you know, compromise and live a life by rules and limitations.
She doesn't have any of those. She does exactly what she wants to do at all times and nobody gets to force her to do anything else. Anyone who tries she obliterates.
There's no power differentials to worry about because she's literally stronger than God.
Also God is female. I really liked that.
I'm cool with buying a 500 dollar copy of Bayonetta 2. I just wish I didn't have to. But if that's what I have to do then that's what I have to do. Nothing I can do about it. I was more or less mollified when I heard that Sega went pants on head about it.
Satan is female too!
All right, people. It is not a gerbil. It is not a hamster. It is not a guinea pig. It is a death rabbit. Death. Rabbit. Say it with me, now.
He also gets to play the "male in distress" at one point!
Hmm actually quite a few points come to think of it.
Luka, Cereza and the cat escaping had me laughing so much
"Are you guys ready to go VROOM?"
That said as far as the discussion goes I will say this. I feel that when people talk about sexism they feel the only way to rectify that is to completely remove sexuality from the equation.
The thing I love about Bayonetta is that she is confident in all aspects of her personality. Yes, she is over-the-top but no more than say a male action hero like Dante because, like Dante, she IS an over-the-top action hero.
Whenever I watch these videos this Simpsons clip goes through my head:
Coran Attack!
You're in luck, I found out I had those vids bookmarked:
Non-stop air time:
Triple weaves explained:
In use:
And he's still making them:
Not to mention DmC:
it's fantastic that one of the absolute best action games out there manages to pass the bechdel test with flying colors
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I did not like having to redo it every time I wanted to play the boss fight.
Thanks @Akilae you saved me a bunch of trouble.
But the fact that it takes about 15 minutes and blocks off a boss fight is really annoying.
Who wants to guess what time it is
Youtube Channel!
It would appear you are correct
Missle section is cool and good, but Bike section is better
Youtube Channel!
Arguably, she's independent to the extent that
Youtube Channel!
You didn't notice the giant woman that you fought at the end of the game?
Kinda hard to miss.
Must i quote your anime watching log, some of that makes me cry tears of blood just thinking about. Though, Bayonetta's custscenes are (mostly) gold. Best one is Luka trying to kiss Bayo, almost managing it when she drops him
Youtube Channel!
Goddammit, Bayonetta
YOU ARE NOT A FIRST RESPONDER
STOP DRIVING ON THE SHOULDER
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Bayonetta is the best everything ever.
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Needless to say, one of the first things my nephew said to his dad later was "Dad, I want guns on my shoes!"
Not only does God show up,
I feel like this is also a good answer to the "Tell me why this is better than DMC4" question.
This story needs to be told every Christmas.
Bayonetta is a game which is very easy to dismiss at first glance and frankly I would not blame a single person for doing so. It is an amazing game though. It manages to be a better version of Viewtiful Joe, crucially eliminating the gigantic difficulty spikes that plagued the game.
I made a game, it has penguins in it. It's pay what you like on Gumroad.
Currently Ebaying Nothing at all but I might do in the future.
And Bayonetta gets special note just for being a game where you actually beat the Patriarch senseless with a stand-in for a giant severed penis.