Not to mention that losing a single comm satellite doesn't mean jack shit to the national cell phone network.
I also want to point out that even if Russia had scrambled jets and gotten them into position...what were they going to do to a rock the size of a semi-truck moving 35,000 miles an hour?
Not to mention that losing a single comm satellite doesn't mean jack shit to the national cell phone network.
I also want to point out that even if Russia had scrambled jets and gotten them into position...what were they going to do to a rock the size of a semi-truck moving 35,000 miles an hour?
PUTIN! Or THIS!
I'm pretty skeptical of that as well. Meteorites are the sort of things that just...happen...and you deal with the aftermath, not something that has a military interception plan that involves Bruce Willis and Aerosmith, to the best of my knowledge.
Some more shots from CNET I don't think were posted. All the same, that sort of bright streaking light....Christ, it's like seeing Meteor hit Midgar from Kalm.
Not to mention that losing a single comm satellite doesn't mean jack shit to the national cell phone network.
I also want to point out that even if Russia had scrambled jets and gotten them into position...what were they going to do to a rock the size of a semi-truck moving 35,000 miles an hour?
It's not moving 35,000 miles an hour inside the atmosphere. It slows down considerably on the way in, which is what causes all the heat and light. It's still moving the speed of a bullet, but you could maybe shoot it down with an air to air missile....maybe? You'd probably just waste a missile though.
Not to mention that losing a single comm satellite doesn't mean jack shit to the national cell phone network.
I also want to point out that even if Russia had scrambled jets and gotten them into position...what were they going to do to a rock the size of a semi-truck moving 35,000 miles an hour?
It's not moving 35,000 miles an hour inside the atmosphere. It slows down considerably on the way in, which is what causes all the heat and light. It's still moving the speed of a bullet, but you could maybe shoot it down with an air to air missile....maybe? You'd probably just waste a missile though.
It'd be damn hard to shoot down. Heat-seeking stuff would have no time spotting it, but you've only got a couple seconds to hit the thing. As you point out, if it is glowing like the sun then it is still moving way too fast, so you'd have to wait until it was even closer to the ground, only another second or two away from impact. I don't think it'd happen.
If you knew the exact trajectory and movement of the meteor ahead of time you could probably pull it off, but even that would be tough. And as these things break up in the atmosphere they're trajectory will change, along with their velocity/deceleration.
I would legitimately poop my pants if I saw what that driver saw
the drivers all seem damn calm. I mean assuming the dude in the car is talking at the end, he says absolutely nothing when that shit is falling from the sky at him. I feel like I would have gone "what the shiiiiiiiiitttttttt"
I wonder if a fragment landed here? Or perhaps part of the structure just collapsed?
Most likely the shockwave collapsed the roof of a poorly built, shitty Soviet-era factory. The cloud is probably either dust, or a fire resulting from the collapse.
It's not moving 35,000 miles an hour inside the atmosphere. It slows down considerably on the way in, which is what causes all the heat and light. It's still moving the speed of a bullet, but you could maybe shoot it down with an air to air missile....maybe? You'd probably just waste a missile though.
At 20-30 miles up, which is where the estimates I saw placed the explosion, it probably hadn't slowed down THAT much. Considering that meteors can enter the atmosphere at up to 150,000 mph, 35,000 mph isn't an unrealistic estimate.
Of course, at those altitudes it's unlikely anything other than a prepared ABM system could have even attempted to intercept it. An aircraft armed with air to air weapons wouldn't have a chance, even if it was vectored in ahead of time.
Even assuming an ABM or air to air missile was launched and somehow managed to intercept / impact the meteor (without leaving any contrails on the videos), it's not going to have any affect on a ten ton rock.
I would legitimately poop my pants if I saw what that driver saw
the drivers all seem damn calm. I mean assuming the dude in the car is talking at the end, he says absolutely nothing when that shit is falling from the sky at him. I feel like I would have gone "what the shiiiiiiiiitttttttt"
A minor Tsukini event (or however it's spelled, happened around 1910 or so) with witnesses this time?
Tunguska.
That one was very close to the ground hence all the damage it did, this one was nice and high in the sky, so high apparently that Putin and the government have taken credit for saving everybody's lives by claiming that military jets SHOT IT DOWN.
Oh Putin, why you be so cray-cray?
Says who? I mean, seriously, fucking ITAR-TASS made no mention of this, so is this crazy internet rumor fun time, or is there something to it? Because if there is, I've got some Russian friends to gently mock.
even in the cold war the people in charge knew what an asteroid was.
the people on the ground would panic but I don't know if it would start ww3.
A flock of geese almost started WW3.
Nuke first, ask questions later was very much a thing.
"almost" is pretty key here though. They did ask questions first.
It's....complicated, but as far as I know, there's two sides to it: the "DO SOMETHING THE FUCK NOW!" side and the "Okay, we need to go through eighteen other guys to do it" side. They sort of balance themselves out, or at least, that's the hope. Like that time they left the tape deck on at NORAD and someone forgot to flip the "No, the Soviets aren't firing nuclear missiles at us, this is just an exercise" switch. Or the famous PVO systems glitch in the USSR around the same time.
The point is we're living close to the sleeve in this area, but we are aware of that. And always remember not to leave your tape deck.
How the hell does everyone in those videos stay so calm?
If I saw something like that I would drive my car thru the front door of the nearest supermarket and start grabbing stuff.
I think the implicit threat of a bunch of Ural townies who know the supermarket manager swarming your car and taking it for compensation. Or just beating the shit out of you.
The social contract! Catch it!
I negotiated a strick no meteors or aliens clause in my social contract.
It wouldn't matter even if you could intercept it with a missile.
blowing it up in the atmosphere is still going to have repercussions on the ground since the energy has to be transferred somewhere.
yes and blowing up a tsar bomba 20,000 feet up is less damaging than letting it hit the ground, because you avoid fallout from lots of irradiated dirt being thrown everywhere
The ideal scenario for blowing up something like this again is in space, and the likelihood of hitting it with a nuke is extremely slim in the atmosphere (basically in space you just put the bomb in front of it and adjust its position as your prediction of its path gets more and more accurate)
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Basically, Russia’s motorists are a different breed. Russia has one of the highest car-accident rates in the world, a fact that Dmitry Medvedev, the former president and current prime minister, once blamed on the “undisciplined, criminally careless behavior of our drivers,” as well as poor road conditions. Hit-and-run crashes are incredibly common, as apparently are crafty, car-related hustles. Drivers of already dented cars will back purposefully into other cars in an attempt to extort money from their owners. Pedestrians will throw themselves on car hoods at crosswalks and then lie on the asphalt, pretending to be injured.
Cutting off or otherwise offending a fellow motorist occasionally leads to full-on brawls in the middle of the road.
And in court, dash-cam footage is the most reliable way to prove what really happened.
No, I am not really communist. Yes, it is weird that I use this name.
A minor Tsukini event (or however it's spelled, happened around 1910 or so) with witnesses this time?
Tunguska.
That one was very close to the ground hence all the damage it did, this one was nice and high in the sky, so high apparently that Putin and the government have taken credit for saving everybody's lives by claiming that military jets SHOT IT DOWN.
Oh Putin, why you be so cray-cray?
Says who? I mean, seriously, fucking ITAR-TASS made no mention of this, so is this crazy internet rumor fun time, or is there something to it? Because if there is, I've got some Russian friends to gently mock.
even in the cold war the people in charge knew what an asteroid was.
the people on the ground would panic but I don't know if it would start ww3.
A flock of geese almost started WW3.
Nuke first, ask questions later was very much a thing.
"almost" is pretty key here though. They did ask questions first.
It's....complicated, but as far as I know, there's two sides to it: the "DO SOMETHING THE FUCK NOW!" side and the "Okay, we need to go through eighteen other guys to do it" side. They sort of balance themselves out, or at least, that's the hope. Like that time they left the tape deck on at NORAD and someone forgot to flip the "No, the Soviets aren't firing nuclear missiles at us, this is just an exercise" switch. Or the famous PVO systems glitch in the USSR around the same time.
The point is we're living close to the sleeve in this area, but we are aware of that. And always remember not to leave your tape deck.
How the hell does everyone in those videos stay so calm?
If I saw something like that I would drive my car thru the front door of the nearest supermarket and start grabbing stuff.
I think the implicit threat of a bunch of Ural townies who know the supermarket manager swarming your car and taking it for compensation. Or just beating the shit out of you.
The social contract! Catch it!
I negotiated a strick no meteors or aliens clause in my social contract.
The guys who negotiating your car out of the supermarket and out of your life may not have the same inhibitions.
I wonder if a fragment landed here? Or perhaps part of the structure just collapsed?
Probably bad maintenance, really--really violent shaking from the explosion.
The next meteorite that comes over North America is going to fuck up those 70,000 structurally deficient bridges. I'm glad I don't have to cross any bridges, so I just need to contend with giant sinkholes.
I would legitimately poop my pants if I saw what that driver saw
the drivers all seem damn calm. I mean assuming the dude in the car is talking at the end, he says absolutely nothing when that shit is falling from the sky at him. I feel like I would have gone "what the shiiiiiiiiitttttttt"
So far, the narrative seems to be that it was actually very dense--or what reached us of it was. 10 tons, but only the size of a furniture cabinet or a table.
Like a boulder.
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I would legitimately poop my pants if I saw what that driver saw
the drivers all seem damn calm. I mean assuming the dude in the car is talking at the end, he says absolutely nothing when that shit is falling from the sky at him. I feel like I would have gone "what the shiiiiiiiiitttttttt"
It wouldn't matter even if you could intercept it with a missile.
blowing it up in the atmosphere is still going to have repercussions on the ground since the energy has to be transferred somewhere.
yes and blowing up a tsar bomba 20,000 feet up is less damaging than letting it hit the ground, because you avoid fallout from lots of irradiated dirt being thrown everywhere
The ideal scenario for blowing up something like this again is in space, and the likelihood of hitting it with a nuke is extremely slim in the atmosphere (basically in space you just put the bomb in front of it and adjust its position as your prediction of its path gets more and more accurate)
You don't even need to blow it up, really.
We just need to detect it early enough to launch a rocket at it, punch it in the side, and knock its orbit away from us.
We can do the math required now, it's the having the rocket and the will bit that's in trouble : /
The Russians have had an ABM system since the 1970's which used to be nuclear tipped. However, successfully detecting a meteor and intercepting it would be almost impossible given the limited time window.
One thing I don't understand about this, is whether the damage on the ground was caused by a sonic boom or the meteor bursting in the atmosphere.
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Ideally you detect the asteroid when it's very far from Earth.
So far, the narrative seems to be that it was actually very dense--or what reached us of it was. 10 tons, but only the size of a furniture cabinet or a table.
Like a boulder.
that's not possible.
if it were that dense it would have been an Iron meteoroid and it would have impacted instead of detonating overhead.
estimates I see from space.com put it around 50 feet diameter and 7 tons.
The Russians have had an ABM system since the 1970's which used to be nuclear tipped. However, successfully detecting a meteor and intercepting it would be almost impossible given the limited time window.
One thing I don't understand about this, is whether the damage on the ground was caused by a sonic boom or the meteor bursting in the atmosphere.
It wouldn't matter even if you could intercept it with a missile.
blowing it up in the atmosphere is still going to have repercussions on the ground since the energy has to be transferred somewhere.
yes and blowing up a tsar bomba 20,000 feet up is less damaging than letting it hit the ground, because you avoid fallout from lots of irradiated dirt being thrown everywhere
The ideal scenario for blowing up something like this again is in space, and the likelihood of hitting it with a nuke is extremely slim in the atmosphere (basically in space you just put the bomb in front of it and adjust its position as your prediction of its path gets more and more accurate)
You don't even need to blow it up, really.
We just need to detect it early enough to launch a rocket at it, punch it in the side, and knock its orbit away from us.
We can do the math required now, it's the having the rocket and the will bit that's in trouble : /
not away from us,
just move it over to some area of the Mohave desert that you've had the foresight to purchase and then start selling tickets
profit!
So far, the narrative seems to be that it was actually very dense--or what reached us of it was. 10 tons, but only the size of a furniture cabinet or a table.
Like a boulder.
that's not possible.
if it were that dense it would have been an Iron meteoroid and it would have impacted instead of detonating overhead.
estimates I see from space.com put it around 50 feet diameter and 7 tons.
I don't know about the size, though Bad Astronomy has some guesses.
It wouldn't matter even if you could intercept it with a missile.
blowing it up in the atmosphere is still going to have repercussions on the ground since the energy has to be transferred somewhere.
yes and blowing up a tsar bomba 20,000 feet up is less damaging than letting it hit the ground, because you avoid fallout from lots of irradiated dirt being thrown everywhere
The ideal scenario for blowing up something like this again is in space, and the likelihood of hitting it with a nuke is extremely slim in the atmosphere (basically in space you just put the bomb in front of it and adjust its position as your prediction of its path gets more and more accurate)
You don't even need to blow it up, really.
We just need to detect it early enough to launch a rocket at it, punch it in the side, and knock its orbit away from us.
We can do the math required now, it's the having the rocket and the will bit that's in trouble : /
The other issue is convincing everybody that, no, you're not secretly launching ICBMs at all their capitols and silos
So far, the narrative seems to be that it was actually very dense--or what reached us of it was. 10 tons, but only the size of a furniture cabinet or a table.
Like a boulder.
that's not possible.
if it were that dense it would have been an Iron meteoroid and it would have impacted instead of detonating overhead.
estimates I see from space.com put it around 50 feet diameter and 7 tons.
Than my news is waaayyy out of date.
I was hearing it on news with the estimates of being large furniture size.
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Nah, on the news they are talking about being prepared in case the asteroid hit a comm satellite and cell phones didn't work.
Like...that's randomly fired bullet hitting randomly fired bullet odds there.
Not to mention that losing a single comm satellite doesn't mean jack shit to the national cell phone network.
I also want to point out that even if Russia had scrambled jets and gotten them into position...what were they going to do to a rock the size of a semi-truck moving 35,000 miles an hour?
PUTIN! Or THIS!
I'm pretty skeptical of that as well. Meteorites are the sort of things that just...happen...and you deal with the aftermath, not something that has a military interception plan that involves Bruce Willis and Aerosmith, to the best of my knowledge.
Some more shots from CNET I don't think were posted. All the same, that sort of bright streaking light....Christ, it's like seeing Meteor hit Midgar from Kalm.
I wonder if a fragment landed here? Or perhaps part of the structure just collapsed?
computers should not have that feature.
Let's play Mario Kart or something...
It's not moving 35,000 miles an hour inside the atmosphere. It slows down considerably on the way in, which is what causes all the heat and light. It's still moving the speed of a bullet, but you could maybe shoot it down with an air to air missile....maybe? You'd probably just waste a missile though.
It'd be damn hard to shoot down. Heat-seeking stuff would have no time spotting it, but you've only got a couple seconds to hit the thing. As you point out, if it is glowing like the sun then it is still moving way too fast, so you'd have to wait until it was even closer to the ground, only another second or two away from impact. I don't think it'd happen.
If you knew the exact trajectory and movement of the meteor ahead of time you could probably pull it off, but even that would be tough. And as these things break up in the atmosphere they're trajectory will change, along with their velocity/deceleration.
the drivers all seem damn calm. I mean assuming the dude in the car is talking at the end, he says absolutely nothing when that shit is falling from the sky at him. I feel like I would have gone "what the shiiiiiiiiitttttttt"
Most likely the shockwave collapsed the roof of a poorly built, shitty Soviet-era factory. The cloud is probably either dust, or a fire resulting from the collapse.
Probably.
At 20-30 miles up, which is where the estimates I saw placed the explosion, it probably hadn't slowed down THAT much. Considering that meteors can enter the atmosphere at up to 150,000 mph, 35,000 mph isn't an unrealistic estimate.
Of course, at those altitudes it's unlikely anything other than a prepared ABM system could have even attempted to intercept it. An aircraft armed with air to air weapons wouldn't have a chance, even if it was vectored in ahead of time.
Even assuming an ABM or air to air missile was launched and somehow managed to intercept / impact the meteor (without leaving any contrails on the videos), it's not going to have any affect on a ten ton rock.
Well they're russian
A giant meteor passing overhead is less precarious than going to the store for milk
blowing it up in the atmosphere is still going to have repercussions on the ground since the energy has to be transferred somewhere.
yes and blowing up a tsar bomba 20,000 feet up is less damaging than letting it hit the ground, because you avoid fallout from lots of irradiated dirt being thrown everywhere
The ideal scenario for blowing up something like this again is in space, and the likelihood of hitting it with a nuke is extremely slim in the atmosphere (basically in space you just put the bomb in front of it and adjust its position as your prediction of its path gets more and more accurate)
why-are-there-so-many-dash-cam-videos-of-the-meteor
I have had this posted outside my cube for a few weeks now and it is making quite the conversation piece today.
The guys who negotiating your car out of the supermarket and out of your life may not have the same inhibitions.
Doubly ironic: Unless I'm mistaken, the meteorite hit the only country in the world with an operational manned spacecraft in regular use.
Pick up the pace, rest of the world.
Probably bad maintenance, really--really violent shaking from the explosion.
The next meteorite that comes over North America is going to fuck up those 70,000 structurally deficient bridges. I'm glad I don't have to cross any bridges, so I just need to contend with giant sinkholes.
Like a boulder.
I couldn't finish that video but it's nice to see people that are worse drivers then me out there. Apparently a whole country worth.
I did like the Hind, Horse and Hay clips best. Just for the absurdity of them.
Yeah, you weren't very close to "gesundheit", either.
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You don't even need to blow it up, really.
We just need to detect it early enough to launch a rocket at it, punch it in the side, and knock its orbit away from us.
We can do the math required now, it's the having the rocket and the will bit that's in trouble : /
One thing I don't understand about this, is whether the damage on the ground was caused by a sonic boom or the meteor bursting in the atmosphere.
that's not possible.
if it were that dense it would have been an Iron meteoroid and it would have impacted instead of detonating overhead.
estimates I see from space.com put it around 50 feet diameter and 7 tons.
a sonic boom is a shockwave so.... both.
not away from us,
just move it over to some area of the Mohave desert that you've had the foresight to purchase and then start selling tickets
profit!
I don't know about the size, though Bad Astronomy has some guesses.
Speaking of which, it seems like it did land:
http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy.html
The other issue is convincing everybody that, no, you're not secretly launching ICBMs at all their capitols and silos
Than my news is waaayyy out of date.
I was hearing it on news with the estimates of being large furniture size.
Two minutes earlier and it'd have hit Sweden.