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So the [Duel of Champions] CCG is pretty fun.

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  • KetarKetar Registered User regular
    That's the Kelthor deck I've been playing with, though I'm short 1 Pao and 2 Blackskull Vulture Riders. My biggest problem so far is either OTK decks that get the cards they need fast enough to just prevent me from doing damage until they hit the kill combo, or Ariana decks depending on the kind of draw each side gets.

    Every so often you get a bad draw and a bad re-draw on the mulligan, and it takes a minor miracle to eek out a win. Usually something along the lines of getting loaded down with the creatures without enrage and not being able to get any good enragers on the board until it's virtually impossible to do so without them getting blown up immediately. Most of the time it's amusing enough to play.

  • mogonkmogonk Registered User regular
    edited May 2013
    Well the reason that deck is so effective is really the focus on creatures. Firebolt, Sacrificial Altar and Kelthor's ability are all the removal you really need, because you have enough creatures to establish board control. Cosmic Realignment is just there to counter combo decks that you won't have to worry about in casual play.

    In a 24 creature deck (Echo, you mentioned 4 spells, 22 fortunes), you need a LOT of removal, and you're not going to get that from fortunes. Plenty of spot removal, but not mass removal. I'd recommend trimming fortunes and adding creatures.

    mogonk on
  • KetarKetar Registered User regular
    I should have included failing to come up with Sacrificial Altars in my description of the times that the deck bogs down. It doesn't happen often, but if they aren't popping up and you aren't generating Enrage counters to use with Kelthor's ability, the creatures themselves are good but not great. When you do hit both problems at the same time I find that a good Necro deck overwhelms you pretty easily, especially if they've had time to get their resources up and can afford to use Ariana's ability to kill off any enragers you do finally get going.

    It isn't a common problem, but it does come up enough for me to wonder whether a slight tweak or two would be worthwhile. Probably not, I suspect I just had a statistically unlikely run of poor draws in the last day.

  • ImperfectImperfect Toronto, Ontario, CanadaRegistered User regular
    Went through a bunch of the intro missions, bought the Void pack with the freebie seals they give you, and now I have like 14 packs full of craziness.

    I opened a couple of them and I have a harpy with some... glowy effects on it, I guess? Is that the equivalent of a foil?

  • LucedesLucedes Registered User regular
    are there any actual top-tier necro decks?
    what is their strategy?

    i feel like trial and error is teaching me sort of the curve of this game.
    unlike mtg, casting fatties costs you cards (indirectly) by forcing your might higher instead of card drawing; same with spells.

    so the deckbuilding thing to do is to try and minimize your requirements in at least one or two of the stats (might/magic/fortune).
    does that sound right?

  • mogonkmogonk Registered User regular
    Lucedes wrote: »
    are there any actual top-tier necro decks?
    what is their strategy?

    http://www.mmdoc.net/show_deck/105/

    The above deck mainly focuses on control, then uses Time Jump and/or Dancing Flames to finish. Stuff like this is very easy to win with into higher Elo if you have the right cards. Necro is frequently played 4/6/1 or 3/6/1 because they have such strong spells (and Shantiri Ruins, one of the best cards for a spell-heavy deck). Puppet Master, Shadow Image, Soulreaver, etc. And Ariana's ability is obviously great for removal.
    Lucedes wrote: »
    so the deckbuilding thing to do is to try and minimize your requirements in at least one or two of the stats (might/magic/fortune).
    does that sound right?

    Pretty much.

  • KetarKetar Registered User regular
    Note to anyone thinking about an Ariana deck: you can only get Ariana by buying the deck that comes with her, or collecting 5,000 cards. Don't expect to find her in any random packs or boxes.

    Played someone today who had taken the Kelthor 1501 deck and ditched the fortunes for some removal/damage spells, and subbed out the Mana Storms for whatever the same thing is for fortunes. I can't recall now if he had changed any creatures, if he had it was only a small change or two, our decks seemed to be mirrors aside from those changes. Trashed me both times we played against each other, with the spells making the difference each time. I'm pretty tempted to try the same thing out, as most of my frustrations with the deck come at times where a bad start has given the opponent board control and it becomes almost impossible to get it back without some mass damage spells.

  • NorgothNorgoth cardiffRegistered User regular
    So I wanted to buy the discounted void box. An ubisoft clearly wanted to take my money because they have.

    But no seals.

    Raised a ticket but support don't work weekends. If that box comes off sale before i get my seals ill be pissed.

  • ConstrictorConstrictor The Dork Knight SuburbialandRegistered User regular
    Echo wrote: »
    The 120-card Void Rising box is 40% off (840 funbucks), in case anyone wants to spend money on this.

    You should also get enough for that real quick from leveling up and doing the campaign missions, if you haven't spent any seals yet.

    Already got 2 boxes with the free seals. If I level up 4 more times this week I'll get a 3rd.

  • EchoEcho ski-bap ba-dapModerator, Administrator admin
    I have no idea what is going on at this Elo. I see a fair bunch of decks that barely (if ever) play creatures but just focus on poking my champion directly with spells. There's that hero, Belias, that can discard a card to do 1 damage to the enemy hero. They also pack tons of Week of Austerity.

    It works about as well as you'd expect.

  • BaskeBaske Registered User regular
    Echo wrote: »
    I have no idea what is going on at this Elo. I see a fair bunch of decks that barely (if ever) play creatures but just focus on poking my champion directly with spells. There's that hero, Belias, that can discard a card to do 1 damage to the enemy hero. They also pack tons of Week of Austerity.

    It works about as well as you'd expect.

    I'm guessing those are just people farming for money/exp or trying to intentionally drop their elo to farm easier players.

  • ArchArch Neat-o, mosquito! Registered User regular
    Gonna play this fo' free while I wait for Hex

    just like everyone else

  • mogonkmogonk Registered User regular
    edited May 2013
    Playing a very fun 3/6/0 Jezziel deck that revolves around discarding big fatties you can't cast and then bringing them out of your graveyard via Resurrection. Also Time Jump. And lots of removal.

    Similar to this, though with many subs.
    Arch wrote: »
    Gonna play this fo' free while I wait for Hex

    just like everyone else

    Definitely not waiting for Hex.

    So maybe not everyone.

    mogonk on
  • NorgothNorgoth cardiffRegistered User regular
    Baske wrote: »
    Echo wrote: »
    I have no idea what is going on at this Elo. I see a fair bunch of decks that barely (if ever) play creatures but just focus on poking my champion directly with spells. There's that hero, Belias, that can discard a card to do 1 damage to the enemy hero. They also pack tons of Week of Austerity.

    It works about as well as you'd expect.

    I'm guessing those are just people farming for money/exp or trying to intentionally drop their elo to farm easier players.

    This, it's people intentionally tanking thier ELO, but if they just surrender immediatly you don't earn Exp/gold, so there making the game think there was an actual match to return the favor so to speak.

  • MagellMagell Detroit Machine Guns Fort MyersRegistered User regular
    Playing through the campaign and I can strongly state that I hate the incorporeal deck that you come up against. Need to rethink my strategy for dealing with that one.

  • KetarKetar Registered User regular
    Wow, to go with the sale on Void Rising packs and boxes, they upped the prices for seals, and changed the way you pay for them so that anything other than giving them your credit card directly incurs additional fees. 1 week ago 6400 seals would have been basically $90.00 when converted from Euros. Today you buy 6000 instead of 6400, and pay $99 for them. Plus an additional $3.20 if you want to use Paypal. A little over $13 more for 400 less seals.

    Any chance of me dropping some money to get Void Rising on sale is pretty much gone. At least hitting 1001 ELO and winning a tourney in the same day brought in 100,000 gold for achievements and let me pick up Ariana.

  • LucedesLucedes Registered User regular
    i feel like this game is too cash-grabby to invest in.
    the no-trading thing is pretty much the dealbreaker for me;
    the pleasure of opening something awesome or rare that doesn't go in your deck is zero.

    but it's kind of fun to play in the meantime, while waiting for Hex.
    the matchmaking is good enough that i don't just get curbstomped all the time with my no-investment deck.

  • AuralynxAuralynx Darkness is a perspective Watching the ego workRegistered User regular
    Lucedes wrote: »
    i feel like this game is too cash-grabby to invest in.
    the no-trading thing is pretty much the dealbreaker for me;
    the pleasure of opening something awesome or rare that doesn't go in your deck is zero.

    but it's kind of fun to play in the meantime, while waiting for Hex.
    the matchmaking is good enough that i don't just get curbstomped all the time with my no-investment deck.

    Yeah, it's a solid game attached to a wonky card-delivery system and pricing. I'm back to playing Shadow Era in my ccg downtime, myself.

  • ConstrictorConstrictor The Dork Knight SuburbialandRegistered User regular
    Meh, if you play enough you will get plenty of cards. I haven't spent a dime and I have a ton of cards. Especially this week, you basically get a free box of the expansion every 5 levels or so and enough gold to buy a dozen regular packs.

  • KetarKetar Registered User regular
    You can definitely get enough cards to keep yourself entertained with the level and achievement rewards. They had me momentarily considering throwing in a little cash though, until I saw how much the shop had changed since the last time I considered it.

    100 seals per level, so it's more like a free box of the expansion every 8.5 levels.

  • ConstrictorConstrictor The Dork Knight SuburbialandRegistered User regular
    Ketar wrote: »
    You can definitely get enough cards to keep yourself entertained with the level and achievement rewards. They had me momentarily considering throwing in a little cash though, until I saw how much the shop had changed since the last time I considered it.

    100 seals per level, so it's more like a free box of the expansion every 8.5 levels.

    You get extra seals when hitting milestones like level 10, 15, 20, 25

  • KetarKetar Registered User regular
    Ketar wrote: »
    You can definitely get enough cards to keep yourself entertained with the level and achievement rewards. They had me momentarily considering throwing in a little cash though, until I saw how much the shop had changed since the last time I considered it.

    100 seals per level, so it's more like a free box of the expansion every 8.5 levels.

    You get extra seals when hitting milestones like level 10, 15, 20, 25

    Yeah, but only 100 seals at 10, 200 at 20, 300 at 30... You don't get bonus seals for 15, 25, 35 and so on, you get bonus gold. Somebody still fairly new, at level 9, would earn 1100 seals for going from 9-20, plus 300 bonus seals total for 10 and 20. So they'd need 3 more levels to have enough for 2 boxes, and that's with the most favorable set of leveling including a bonus on the first level achieved. Someone who is at level 5 would have to level 16 times to earn 2 boxes.

  • BaskeBaske Registered User regular
    edited May 2013
    I'm getting way too many timeouts to even considering paying for this game. Over half of my games are timeouts, so there's no way I could even be competitive. They really need to fix their netcode. I really hope Hex doesn't have the same issue when it comes out.

    Baske on
  • KetarKetar Registered User regular
    That's odd. I live on an island so I can have some big problems with online games given the consistency and quality of my connection, but I've never had a problem with DoC.

  • ReynoldsReynolds Gone Fishin'Registered User regular
    edited May 2013
    My name doesn't seem to show up at the top of the screen. Is there a place to see it in my profile? I have a Uplay account from Zombi U that I used.. Feels like I'm missing something...

    After I duelled a player to level up then continue the story, it keeps displaying their name at the top right, too. I don't think they're playing as the NPCs...?

    Oh, hey, another game that thinks 'match you to a player near your skill level' means 'match you to a player who will easily destroy you.' My rating is literally 1, and the people I fought were all 40-60.

    Reynolds on
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  • ConstrictorConstrictor The Dork Knight SuburbialandRegistered User regular
    If you're new to CCGs you're probably going to get destroyed a lot until you get the hang of it. Eventually you will rise up. Keep tweaking your deck! I'm at 1100 ELO and I have a couple of junky decks that I made on my own without following guides at all.

  • ConstrictorConstrictor The Dork Knight SuburbialandRegistered User regular
    Patch notes:


    Card Modifications:
    Throne of Renewal: Lose all resources instead of losing the possibility to play Fortunes afterwards.
    Tower of Oblivion: Both players discard down to 6 cards at random and take 1 damage from each card discarded this way.
    Shantiri Ruins: Only target non-uniques.
    Asha Uses All: Only target non-uniques.
    Spell Twister: Only target non-uniques.
    Spell Steal: Only target non-uniques.
    Martyr: Now prevents only damage from your opponent.
    Cleansing : Now costs 3
    Mass Dispel : Now costs 2
    Wolf Captain: +1 Might
    Greater Fire Elemental: -2 Might, +1 Magic
    Mizu-Kami: -1 Magic
    Chaos Imp: +1 Destiny
    Wandering Bard: +1 Destiny
    Helexian Librarian: +1 Destiny
    Kieran, Knight of Negation: Ability is now an activated ability.
    Siegfried, Champion of Faith: Ability is now an activated ability.
    Card text clarifications and corrections
    All mentions of the words «kill» and «remove» are replaced by «destroy».
    Daily Rewards
    Each day you log into the game you will earn a Daily Reward. You can choose to take it immediately, or stash it to grow your rewards. Stash for 7 days to claim the ultimate Daily Reward!
    Improved Social Features
    Upgraded Chat, Friends and Notification features make it easier than ever to keep in touch with friends and rivals.
    New Achievements
    20 new achievements to challenge your skills and willpower.
    Bug Fixes
    Swiss Tournament Flow & Bugs Fixed
    Source: http://forums.ubi.com/showthread.php/772078-Patchnotes-Herald-of-the-Void
    LATEST INFORMATION: There is a 'big chance' the patch won't happen today (May 28th) as it was planned

  • ErlecErlec Registered User regular
    Kieran, Knight of Negation: Ability is now an activated ability.

    This was sorely needed. Fighting a player who used Kieran and some of haven's strongest creature was pretty impossible to take down.

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  • ConstrictorConstrictor The Dork Knight SuburbialandRegistered User regular
    Now they need to nerf the incorporeals/banshee/fate sealer graveyard abuse deck. (The champion that gets +1 hp on all incorporeal creatures for free). Kind of dumb to fight against if you don't have a ton of magic removal and strong magic creatures.

  • ReynoldsReynolds Gone Fishin'Registered User regular
    Do you unlock more Campaign stuff later? I don't see anything listed after the first three missions. But there's a big map to fill up.

    If you can only do Duels with random people after that, then my interest in this game is going to plummet, fast.

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  • BaskeBaske Registered User regular
    edited May 2013
    Those are the only 3 campaigns. Another one is supposed to be coming out soon according to rumors. It was supposed to come out today with the new expansion Herald of the Void but they had to delay it for whatever reason.

    You can also duel friends in practice mode, so its technically not just random people. But if you don't want to do duels, then this game isn't going to be for you. Hopefully Hex's raids and stuff will have more interesting PVE content, but that won't be out for a while.

    Baske on
  • ReynoldsReynolds Gone Fishin'Registered User regular
    Hmm, I guess I can give it a bit longer. I'll be gone for a few days anyway. Is there any other way to get points to buy stuff other than Duels? You don't get rewards for replaying Missions, right? I tend to play in the background while doing other things, which doesn't work if there's a time limit/someone waiting on me.

    So there's the base set and two expansions, now, then?

    Is there any way to get specific Heroes (or cards for a specific faction) outside of the decks? Which are only the starter Heroes, right? You just have to buy the random Hero pack and hope?

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  • BaskeBaske Registered User regular
    Reynolds wrote: »
    Hmm, I guess I can give it a bit longer. I'll be gone for a few days anyway. Is there any other way to get points to buy stuff other than Duels? You don't get rewards for replaying Missions, right? I tend to play in the background while doing other things, which doesn't work if there's a time limit/someone waiting on me.

    So there's the base set and two expansions, now, then?

    Is there any way to get specific Heroes (or cards for a specific faction) outside of the decks? Which are only the starter Heroes, right? You just have to buy the random Hero pack and hope?

    AFAIK you only get gold/seals from duels, tournaments, first time playing missions, achievements, promo codes and leveling up.

    Right now there's 1 expansion, Call of the Void. Herald of the Void is the new one that was supposed to be out yesterday.

    There's no way to currently buy specific cards/heroes/factions besides decks, they mentioned its something they have planned for the future. Not all of the decks are starter heroes. Ariana is a hero you can only get from a high end achievement (own 5000 cards) or buying the Severed Fates deck. I'm not sure if the heroes in the other decks are ones you can find the hero boosters or not. Besides buying decks, everything else is random and hope you get the card(s) you want.

  • ReynoldsReynolds Gone Fishin'Registered User regular
    Daily Rewards
    Each day you log into the game you will earn a Daily Reward. You can choose to take it immediately, or stash it to grow your rewards. Stash for 7 days to claim the ultimate Daily Reward!

    Am I missing where this is? Or was this patch delayed along with the expansion?

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  • ConstrictorConstrictor The Dork Knight SuburbialandRegistered User regular
    Patch has been delayed. It should be in this week, maybe?

  • kraughmarkraughmar Kingston, ONRegistered User regular
    edited May 2013
    Yeah I started playing this after hearing about it from the newspost, and falling down a CCG / Deckbuilding rabbithole a couple months ago.

    I think this has some elements of fun, especially as I battled through the PVE content. But I don't really have a strong desire to match up with other people and grind out cashola. I bought a Void Rising box on sale with my starter tokens, and now I have my starting Necro mess, enough stuff to cobble together a Sanctuary mess, and some Haven hero that I can't trade to anyone.

    There isn't much point in reading up about decklists since there is no way for me to reliably get those cards.

    Also, I sometimes play games slowly. Especially new card games where I need to read what happens on each card (since there is no in-game card browser, yeah, often times opponents are playing cards I've never seen). So for me, the great accomplishment was finally killing that damn poison necro in the campaign. (also milling the incorporeal necro guy was a good feeling)

    kraughmar on
  • ConstrictorConstrictor The Dork Knight SuburbialandRegistered User regular
    New set and patch are out. New cards look pretty interesting, though I won't be getting any until there's a sale. You can now buy the first expansion with gold only.

    Pretty good stuff.

  • JPJeezusJPJeezus Registered User regular
    Add another person to the list of jumping into DoC while waiting for Hex to come out.

    I didn't see a list of player names in the OP, but feel free to add me to your friends list if you want to play a game.

    JPJeezus2012 - 188 ELO currently

    Twitch Steam: twitch.tv/jpjeezus
    Battlenet: JPJeezus #1804
  • SniperGuySniperGuy SniperGuyGaming Registered User regular
    I keep getting just absolutely wrecked by everyone in tournaments. I have reached a point of ELO where I'm winning/losing in pretty equal amounts, so racking up enough gold to buy a pack is soul crushing. People have crazy fucking cards that I don't (At the end of your turn, take another turn. What the fuck?!)

    Soooo this is getting pretty frustrating. It's fun, there's just a tiny little ramp of advancement and then you hit this huge goddam wall if you didn't get lucky with some of your card packs. Honestly considering starting a new account and trying to spend the cash you get from the campaign a little more wisely.

  • KetarKetar Registered User regular
    SniperGuy wrote: »
    I keep getting just absolutely wrecked by everyone in tournaments. I have reached a point of ELO where I'm winning/losing in pretty equal amounts, so racking up enough gold to buy a pack is soul crushing. People have crazy fucking cards that I don't (At the end of your turn, take another turn. What the fuck?!)

    Soooo this is getting pretty frustrating. It's fun, there's just a tiny little ramp of advancement and then you hit this huge goddam wall if you didn't get lucky with some of your card packs. Honestly considering starting a new account and trying to spend the cash you get from the campaign a little more wisely.

    Try to put together a fast Inferno or Stronghold deck. Creature heavy with a small amount of creature removal in spells, and don't even worry about OTK builds for now. You don't really need anything all that special to do either, though some Pao Deathseekers always help.

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