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  • SpaffySpaffy Fuck the Zero Registered User regular
    edited May 2013
    The_Scarab wrote: »
    Spaffy wrote: »
    The_Scarab wrote: »
    Isn't that a perfect metaphor for the games industry as it stands right now.

    A giant obsidian cube, thousands perhaps millions of people chipping it away out of curiosity and desire. And what do we find inside?

    An advertisement.

    Ironic that his new game is a god game considering this entire venture proved that God is dead.

    I knew you would come.

    The first game I designed was quite naturally perfect, it was a work of art, flawless, sublime. A triumph equaled only by its monumental failure. The inevitability of its doom is apparent to me now as a consequence of the imperfection inherent in every gamer. Thus, I redesigned it based on your tastes to more accurately reflect the varying grotesqueries of your nature. However, I was again frustrated by failure. I have since come to understand that the answer eluded me because it required a lesser mind, or perhaps a mind less bound by the parameters of perfection.

    I meant that in a good way. We're aligned. Read up.

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    Oh shit wait

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  • The_ScarabThe_Scarab Registered User regular
    Yeah that was a Matrix quote. I know the deal.

  • SpaffySpaffy Fuck the Zero Registered User regular
    Yeah got it. Brofist

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  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    So the reward is you get to share in the profits of Molyneux's next game?

    That sounds pretty good to me.

  • SpaffySpaffy Fuck the Zero Registered User regular
    shryke wrote: »
    So the reward is you get to share in the profits of Molyneux's next game?

    That sounds pretty good to me.

    Does it, though?

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  • BlindPsychicBlindPsychic Registered User regular
    Well more than just profits, apparently he has god power over all copies of the game to fiddle with it how he wants

  • AthenorAthenor Battle Hardened Optimist The Skies of HiigaraRegistered User regular
    edited May 2013
    Personally, I'd feel very ripped off if I'd spent any money on Curiosity, but all along it was just a venture to fund development for their next game anyways.


    Also, what ever happened to that whole "no one will ever know if you are telling the truth or not" aspect?

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  • LilnoobsLilnoobs Alpha Queue Registered User regular
    edited May 2013
    Apparently life-altering means you get to be a GM of an MMO?

    I kind of want the winner to be like, "no one else can play my game."

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  • Librarian's ghostLibrarian's ghost Librarian, Ghostbuster, and TimSpork Registered User regular
    Well more than just profits, apparently he has god power over all copies of the game to fiddle with it how he wants

    Wait, that sounds exactly like Charlie and the Chocolate Factory.

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  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    Spaffy wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    So the reward is you get to share in the profits of Molyneux's next game?

    That sounds pretty good to me.

    Does it, though?

    Yes. What's the downside here?

    At the absolute worst, the game sells no copies and you are left ... exactly where you started.

    Anything but that and you are making some money for nothing.

  • The_ScarabThe_Scarab Registered User regular
    Lilnoobs wrote: »
    Apparently life-altering means you get to be a GM of an MMO?

    I kind of want the winner to be like, "no one else can play my game."

    [GM]Gabriel: Give me your pants.

  • IncenjucarIncenjucar VChatter Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    It's basically like Moly is turning someone into a trust fund kid.

  • DritzDritz CanadaRegistered User regular
    Athenor wrote: »
    Personally, I'd feel very ripped off if I'd spent any money on Curiosity, but all along it was just a venture to fund development for their next game anyways.


    Also, what ever happened to that whole "no one will ever know if you are telling the truth or not" aspect?

    I don't think they added any 'spend money' options until a month or two ago. They're doing the kickstarter thing to actually fund the game.

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  • SpaffySpaffy Fuck the Zero Registered User regular
    edited May 2013
    fucked this up sorry

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  • AthenorAthenor Battle Hardened Optimist The Skies of HiigaraRegistered User regular
    Dritz wrote: »
    Athenor wrote: »
    Personally, I'd feel very ripped off if I'd spent any money on Curiosity, but all along it was just a venture to fund development for their next game anyways.


    Also, what ever happened to that whole "no one will ever know if you are telling the truth or not" aspect?

    I don't think they added any 'spend money' options until a month or two ago. They're doing the kickstarter thing to actually fund the game.

    From the beginning, Curiosity was an "experiment" to fund 22 cans, and they were pretty open about that. The idea was to see how much people would be willing to spend to get a small shot at being the one to open the cube.

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  • Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Cybertronian Paranormal Eliminator Registered User regular
    Lilnoobs wrote: »
    Apparently life-altering means you get to be a GM of an MMO?

    I kind of want the winner to be like, "no one else can play my game."

    Eh, I'm betting the smell of $$$ will prevent a lot of dickery.

    Should he could be a raging Asshole and make everyone's play experiences bad; but the game would sell less copies and IAP's, and he'll get less money in the end. Or he could try and making a pleasant and creative experience to try and drum up interest and get more people to buy the game.

    It's basically a question of how valuable he finds being a douchenozzle.

  • The_ScarabThe_Scarab Registered User regular
    The latest Castle Vidcons is right on the money with this:
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    Say what you will about the new game, Godus, and whatever rewards the winner might get. In the end, Curiosity was just an advertisement. For a game they are making through Kickstarter. The whole thing reeks of that quintessential Molyneux-brand ego shite.

    In the end, Curiosity wasn't about curiosity, it was about money. We were told the winner could choose whether or not to reveal what was inside the cube and that decision would be life changing. Am I the only one who feels that money, even a shitload of money, is the shallowest form of reward there is? Especially for us, who didn't win.

    Curiosity's success as an 'experiment' is now predicated on the eventual success of Godus. He's deferred judgment once again. Typical Peter Molyneux. Always somewhere else to retreat to.

  • StormwatcherStormwatcher Blegh BlughRegistered User regular
    Also, Curiosity was an abject failure, because they had to remove a good chunk of blocks and even then they missed the 21st.

    I'm pretty sure they were aiming to have the reveal match their Kickstarter announcement, now that we know what was inside. That goes to show how the damn cube was not dug nearly fast enough.

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  • Brainiac 8Brainiac 8 Don't call me Shirley... Registered User regular
    hahahaha, that is pretty awesomely lame as a reward.

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  • RidleySariaRidleySaria AnaheimRegistered User regular
    edited May 2013
    Why did anyone expect any different from Molyneux? Why does everyone seem to forget that he's a shim sham man.

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  • Jesus McChristJesus McChrist Registered User regular
    I wonder where he fits the lies and deceit between the shim sham and flim flam.

    if you can read this i hope you have a good day partner
  • HenroidHenroid Mexican kicked from Immigration Thread Centrism is Racism :3Registered User regular
    It's weird as fuck but I dunno if it's deceptive or anything.

  • UncleSporkyUncleSporky Registered User regular
    edited May 2013
    I don't get these comments.

    It's pretty clearly not an advertisement because it does not involve telling anyone to buy the game. I suppose it informs of its existence, but the prize is very real for one person.

    You might as well say if the prize was a million dollars straight up, that's also an advertisement for their new game, because it draws attention to Molyneux and his studio.

    I mean he could've said "buy our new upcoming game," but he did not as far as I can tell; instead he's letting someone make a big difference within a game and share in its profits. That's a pretty dang cool thing. What in the world else could it be? What wouldn't be "awesomely lame?"

    22Cans is buying you a lion and providing you with the means to care for it for life?

    You become the sole inheritor of Molyneux's estate?

    To be honest I consider this an anti-advertisement anyway because now everybody is going to think "well eff him, I didn't win the prize, I'm not paying anything that ends up as prize money for someone else."

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  • plufimplufim Dr Registered User regular
    It is an advertisement because every game blog is covering it.

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  • UncleSporkyUncleSporky Registered User regular
    plufim wrote: »
    It is an advertisement because every game blog is covering it.

    Ok, so logically whatever was in the box would be an advertisement, because every game blog would still be covering it.

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  • HenroidHenroid Mexican kicked from Immigration Thread Centrism is Racism :3Registered User regular
    plufim wrote: »
    It is an advertisement because every game blog is covering it.

    An event being covered by news isn't necessarily advertisement.

    I misheard the news at first about the Cube and its prize. The winner has been given something people don't usually get when it comes to games. It's a genuine rad thing. It's weird because there's questions about the extent of it all, but it's not like "OH MOLYNEUX."

  • ShadowfireShadowfire Vermont, in the middle of nowhereRegistered User regular
    Athenor wrote: »
    Personally, I'd feel very ripped off if I'd spent any money on Curiosity, but all along it was just a venture to fund development for their next game anyways.


    Also, what ever happened to that whole "no one will ever know if you are telling the truth or not" aspect?

    Everyone already knew that going into it, or they should have.

    However, if you felt ripped off because the guy who opened the cube just downloaded it today, that would be kind of understandable. :lol:

  • CadeCade Eppur si muove.Registered User regular
    Get caught for trying to sell a Durango dev kit, why not threaten to release all the secrets after waiting to be charged, what could happen.
    Remember SuperDaE? He’s the guy who tried to sell two next-generation Xbox development kits on eBay, and subsequently earned himself a search and seizure visit from the FBI and the WA Police. As he awaits what he suspects will be a visit from the Police to arrest him today, SuperDaE has set up a deadman’s switch inside his FTP server to leak every dirty secret he has collected over the years.

    SuperDaE has been sitting in his apartment for months now, waiting the results of the multi-jurisdictional investigation by the Western Australian Police Service and the FBI in the US over his ownership of the Xbox Durango development console from Microsoft. Before police raided his home, Henry had spent a spell talking to serious characters from Microsoft HQ about his attempted sale of the Durango development kits on eBay.

    After spending months in legal limbo, Henry now expects to be charged today.

    The concept is simple really: if he doesn’t log into his FTP server come Monday night (WA time), the IP address, username and password get tweeted from his account. Those details will give people read-only access to all of his key files.

    We’ve been given a peek inside the FTP server right now, and there are juicy files in there. We don’t know the file contents, but if SuperDaE has what they say he has — that is, information about the next Xbox that Microsoft doesn’t want to get leaked (among other things) — it’s going to be a real fireworks display.

  • jothkijothki Registered User regular
    Not just blackmail, but blackmail in a deliberate attempt to avoid criminal charges?

    Does/did Australia have much of an organized crime problem? Because I suspect he's getting into the interesting laws now.

  • Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Cybertronian Paranormal Eliminator Registered User regular
    and there are juicy files in there. We don’t know the file contents,

    If you don't know the file contents, how do you know they're juicy? They could just say "M$ Sux" 5 billion times.

  • DarlanDarlan Registered User regular
    edited May 2013
    What *could* be juicy details from a game console dev kit? I suppose it could be something like purposeful hardware failure (they probably made decent money selling replacement 360s) or what advertising data Kinect collects or something, but that doesn't seem overly likely.

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  • Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Cybertronian Paranormal Eliminator Registered User regular
    "Behold! Evil details that Microsoft doesn't want you to know! The Kinect will be ALWAYS ON and the Xbox will not played USED GAMES!"

    "..We already knew that. This stuff got revealed last week."

    "Oh, really? Um, well, shoot. I really wish they hadn't waited so long to charge me. Uhh, it has no backwards compatibility?"

    "Knew that too."

    "Um, well.. Crap. This is totally not going to be worth the blackmail charge now."

  • HenroidHenroid Mexican kicked from Immigration Thread Centrism is Racism :3Registered User regular
    edited May 2013
    I'd be very surprised if that follows through as planned. They'll likely force him to log in. Failing that there's always the chance his setup could fail.

    Edit - His Twitter account could also get taken down.

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  • dporowskidporowski Registered User regular
    edited May 2013
    Or y'know.


    Someone could unplug the thing.


    Edit: This totally leaves aside the natural response of everyone when they see a tweet saying "click here for juicy details about this thing THEY don't want you to know! 100% legit!". That being "Aw, HELL naw, man."

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  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    jothki wrote: »
    Not just blackmail, but blackmail in a deliberate attempt to avoid criminal charges?

    Does/did Australia have much of an organized crime problem? Because I suspect he's getting into the interesting laws now.

    Publicly trying to blackmail the authorities into backing off seems exactly the kind of thing people like this would be stupid enough to try.

    I don't see his going well for him.

  • The WolfmanThe Wolfman Registered User regular
    Bummer. To be clever enough to set up a deadman switch, only to fuck it all up by being dumb enough to reveal it. What a shame.

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  • FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    edited May 2013
    Bummer. To be clever enough to set up a deadman switch, only to fuck it all up by being dumb enough to reveal it. What a shame.

    Well, blackmail doesn't really work if you aren't telling the victim they're being blackmailed. Or would this technically be extortion?

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  • plufimplufim Dr Registered User regular
    edited May 2013
    plufim wrote: »
    It is an advertisement because every game blog is covering it.

    Ok, so logically whatever was in the box would be an advertisement, because every game blog would still be covering it.

    Well no, only if what was in the cube was an upcoming product, which this is.
    It's a really cool prize, don't get me wrong, but yesterday no-one was thinking of Godus.

    As for SuperDae, a lot of the info he released over twitter was flat-out wrong, so it would seem his kit is quite out of date. Still, I suppose there could still be something interesting in there! He did get forced Kinect right, after all.

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  • SurikoSuriko AustraliaRegistered User regular
    edited May 2013
    Forced Kinect isn't a huge surprise, though. A few places guessed it.

    I guess we'll know within 7 hours.

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  • plufimplufim Dr Registered User regular
    edited May 2013
    Holy moly. Some data on "whales".

    http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/192899/Heres_how_much_whales_spent_so_far_this_year.php
    The top 1 percent of new players spending money on in-app purchases in mobile and web games account for around 33 percent of total spending, while the top 20 percent of spenders account for just over 90 percent of total mobile and web game spending.

    That's according to social game analysis firm Playnomics. The company examined the spending behavior of more than 1.7 million web and mobile game players globally during the first quarter of 2013, and found that around 14,000 players chose to pay for in-app purchases in games -- roughly 0.77 percent.

    As the graphs below show, that top 1 percent is also significantly skewed, with spending ranging from around $700 to as much as $7,400 from a single person. The company says that the results resemble "a power law distribution, where a small proportion of whales account for a large portion of total in game spend."

    Note that these 1.7 million people surveyed were all "new" social game players -- that is, people who started playing social games within the first two weeks of Q1 -- and therefore as Playnomics points out, "Some of the players in our initial cohort of 1.7 million will likely monetize for the first time after Q1 2013, and some of our existing monetizers will likely keep spending beyond Q1 2013."

    playnomics.jpg

    Keep in mind that this is ONLY THREE MONTHS of data. SOMEONE SPENT OVER $7000 ON A GAME IN JUST 3 MONTHS. (edit: I earlier misunderstood the data to be only two weeks. While this is less crazy then that, it is still utterly bonkers)

    Can't help but feel FTP pushes some of the same buttons as gambling, and that without restrictions some people are going to spend way beyond their means.

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