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[The Legend of Korra] BOOK 3 BEGINS! (NSF-Spoilerbenders) Also, there's a game now.

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  • Centipede DamascusCentipede Damascus Registered User regular
    Anyhow, I'm happy they're letting romance fall by the wayside.

    But I wouldn't be unhappy if Korra got with Bolin by the end of the series.

  • TankHammerTankHammer Atlanta Ghostbuster Atlanta, GARegistered User regular
    TankHammer wrote: »
    Relationship stuff in Avatar is the real reason I was kinda hoping they'd end up pairing Katara and Zuko. At least it would have been a curve ball.

    I honestly thought halfway through season three that they were building up to that.

    I think they admitted actually considering it but then decided to make Aang get taller and more mature to reduce the creepy elements instead.

  • RoyceSraphimRoyceSraphim Registered User regular
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    At least for the finale in season two
    Mako and Korra broke up because hey they actually weren't meant for each other
    Or maybe that they're fucking horrible at empathizing with other human beings because she's lived a sheltered life and is one of the most famous people on the planet while he's emotionally scarred and paranoid from his childhood and being royally fucked over this season ?

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  • TerrendosTerrendos Decorative Monocle Registered User regular
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    At least for the finale in season two
    Mako and Korra broke up because hey they actually weren't meant for each other

    It's adorable that you think that's a permanent situation. By the end of Book 4 I guarantee it's reversed. Not because I want that to happen, mind you. I just know it's going to happen.

  • BroloBrolo Broseidon Lord of the BroceanRegistered User regular
    Terrendos wrote: »
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    At least for the finale in season two
    Mako and Korra broke up because hey they actually weren't meant for each other

    It's adorable that you think that's a permanent situation. By the end of Book 4 I guarantee it's reversed. Not because I want that to happen, mind you. I just know it's going to happen.

    I'd put a 50/50 between that and them introducing a new male character (or General Iroh) as a love interest for Korra.

  • NeoTomaNeoToma Registered User regular
    Is it possible to tell a story with teens or preteens and not have romance pop up?

    It feels inevitable.

  • LegbaLegba He did. Registered User regular
    It's rare enough to have a story about adults without romance. Hormone-riddled teenagers? Forgetaboutit.

  • ShortyShorty touching the meat Intergalactic Cool CourtRegistered User regular
    TankHammer wrote: »
    They very nearly showed a positive dom/sub relationship in a Nickelodeon show. That's the only reason I'd be amused to see them tackle a season 3 BolinxEska relationship.

    Probably for the best they played it off as a gag and moved away from it though.

    Bolin knows how to treat a lady and at least he's endearing when he's dumb.

    I wouldn't call BolinxEska and positive dom/sub relationship at all.

    uh yeah that shit was straight-up abusive and Bolin seemed to be aware of this which made it turbo-bullshit that he
    reneged on their breakup at the end

  • RoyceSraphimRoyceSraphim Registered User regular
    Shorty wrote: »
    TankHammer wrote: »
    They very nearly showed a positive dom/sub relationship in a Nickelodeon show. That's the only reason I'd be amused to see them tackle a season 3 BolinxEska relationship.

    Probably for the best they played it off as a gag and moved away from it though.

    Bolin knows how to treat a lady and at least he's endearing when he's dumb.

    I wouldn't call BolinxEska and positive dom/sub relationship at all.

    uh yeah that shit was straight-up abusive and Bolin seemed to be aware of this which made it turbo-bullshit that he
    reneged on their breakup at the end

    More honest than Ginger.

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  • SorceSorce Not ThereRegistered User regular
    Shorty wrote: »
    TankHammer wrote: »
    They very nearly showed a positive dom/sub relationship in a Nickelodeon show. That's the only reason I'd be amused to see them tackle a season 3 BolinxEska relationship.

    Probably for the best they played it off as a gag and moved away from it though.

    Bolin knows how to treat a lady and at least he's endearing when he's dumb.

    I wouldn't call BolinxEska and positive dom/sub relationship at all.

    uh yeah that shit was straight-up abusive and Bolin seemed to be aware of this which made it turbo-bullshit that he
    reneged on their breakup at the end
    Oh hey, it's teenagers at the end of the world.

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  • GoatmonGoatmon Companion of Kess Registered User regular
    edited November 2013
    TankHammer wrote: »
    Relationship stuff in Avatar is the real reason I was kinda hoping they'd end up pairing Katara and Zuko. At least it would have been a curve ball.

    Having Katara and Zuko together, purely because it would defy expectations, would have been really dumb and out of character.

    Also, in response to Rorus's Rant; the notion that having bits of romance here and there throughout TLA is somehow creepy because the main character is twelve just doesn't really make sense.

    They never really went very far into that aspect of the show. It was mostly just Aang having a crush on Katara, and her gradually developing feelings for him over the course of the series. They touched on it here and there, but it was not really a huge part of the show, no matter what the fandom may have made of it.

    A boy having feelings like that at that age may be a little unusual, but it's hardly unheard of, and I don't see how it's somehow creepy to include such a thing.

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  • SorceSorce Not ThereRegistered User regular
    edited November 2013
    Goatmon wrote: »
    A boy having feelings like that at that age may be a little unusual, but it's hardly unheard of, and I don't see how it's somehow creepy to include such a thing.
    Basically Aang is in middle school, age-wise. Kids are absolutely having feelings and crushes and sticking their toes in the pool as far as love/attraction. The fact that Aang and Katara ended up married with 3 kids is way more creepy than Aang falling in love with Katara during the series.

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  • nightmarennynightmarenny Registered User regular
    Sorce wrote: »
    Goatmon wrote: »
    A boy having feelings like that at that age may be a little unusual, but it's hardly unheard of, and I don't see how it's somehow creepy to include such a thing.
    Basically Aang is in middle school, age-wise. Kids are absolutely having feelings and crushes and sticking their toes in the pool as far as love/attraction. The fact that Aang and Katara ended up married with 3 kids is way more creepy than Aang falling in love with Katara during the series.[/quote

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  • GoatmonGoatmon Companion of Kess Registered User regular
    edited November 2013
    Sorce wrote: »
    Goatmon wrote: »
    A boy having feelings like that at that age may be a little unusual, but it's hardly unheard of, and I don't see how it's somehow creepy to include such a thing.
    Basically Aang is in middle school, age-wise. Kids are absolutely having feelings and crushes and sticking their toes in the pool as far as love/attraction. The fact that Aang and Katara ended up married with 3 kids is way more creepy than Aang falling in love with Katara during the series.

    So you're saying it's just creepy that a childhood romance didn't fall apart, and instead blossomed into a successful adult relationship?

    I don't really follow why. Weird I can understand, but not really creepy.

    And I still don't get why a 12 year old boy crushing on a girl two years older than him is creepy in the first place.

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  • GoatmonGoatmon Companion of Kess Registered User regular
    Also Nightmarenny, you probably shouldn't empty quote posts. That's kind of why we have the reaction system now.

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  • SorceSorce Not ThereRegistered User regular
    Goatmon wrote: »
    Sorce wrote: »
    Goatmon wrote: »
    A boy having feelings like that at that age may be a little unusual, but it's hardly unheard of, and I don't see how it's somehow creepy to include such a thing.
    Basically Aang is in middle school, age-wise. Kids are absolutely having feelings and crushes and sticking their toes in the pool as far as love/attraction. The fact that Aang and Katara ended up married with 3 kids is way more creepy than Aang falling in love with Katara during the series.

    So you're saying it's just creepy that a childhood romance didn't fall apart, and instead blossomed into a successful adult relationship?

    I don't really follow why. Weird I can understand, but not really creepy.

    And I still don't get why a 12 year old boy crushing on a girl two years older than him is creepy in the first place.
    Yeah, I didn't give context; my fault. I have no problem with Aang and Katara crushing on each other, since that's pretty much what kids that age do. It's kind of creepy/weird that their first relationship ended up being their last/only one, since you usually don't find your one true love when you're that age. I'm not against them being a couple or anything, just pointing out that then ending up together is not nearly as likely as them dating.

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  • nightmarennynightmarenny Registered User regular
    Goatmon wrote: »
    Also Nightmarenny, you probably shouldn't empty quote posts. That's kind of why we have the reaction system now.

    Actually it was post memory and a touch screen.

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  • King RiptorKing Riptor Registered User regular
    edited November 2013
    Aang died in his eighties. Aangs youngest kid is in his fifties.
    Kya is sixty something.

    We have no idea when Aang and Katara got married but they didnt start a family until they were in their late twenties /early thirties at least. Seems like a fairly long courtship.

    I dont see anything creepy about it.

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  • AnzekayAnzekay Registered User, Moderator mod
    Sorce wrote: »
    Goatmon wrote: »
    Sorce wrote: »
    Goatmon wrote: »
    A boy having feelings like that at that age may be a little unusual, but it's hardly unheard of, and I don't see how it's somehow creepy to include such a thing.
    Basically Aang is in middle school, age-wise. Kids are absolutely having feelings and crushes and sticking their toes in the pool as far as love/attraction. The fact that Aang and Katara ended up married with 3 kids is way more creepy than Aang falling in love with Katara during the series.

    So you're saying it's just creepy that a childhood romance didn't fall apart, and instead blossomed into a successful adult relationship?

    I don't really follow why. Weird I can understand, but not really creepy.

    And I still don't get why a 12 year old boy crushing on a girl two years older than him is creepy in the first place.
    Yeah, I didn't give context; my fault. I have no problem with Aang and Katara crushing on each other, since that's pretty much what kids that age do. It's kind of creepy/weird that their first relationship ended up being their last/only one, since you usually don't find your one true love when you're that age. I'm not against them being a couple or anything, just pointing out that then ending up together is not nearly as likely as them dating.

    It may be unlikely, but it does happen- I know several couples (some now in their 80s, some in their 50s) who met in middle school/high school, were their first dates, and ended up getting married. Just because it's unlikely doesn't mean it's creepy to have it occur in a show.

    Calling it creepy seems really... Excessive, honestly.

  • ShortyShorty touching the meat Intergalactic Cool CourtRegistered User regular
    aang and katara isn't creepy at all, what is the matter with you people

  • LegbaLegba He did. Registered User regular
    edited November 2013
    I'm willing to bet that they didn't only ever date each other, either. They probably outgrew their initial crush, grew apart, dated others, had a reunion, became friends, developed feelings, proclaimed their love in an incredibly cute and awkward scene, dated for a few years, got married, had children, lived happily, quarrelled, forgave, raised two sons and a daughter, expected greatness, hoped, were disappointed, took comfort, carried burdens, shared happiness, rested, were content, and eventually, she held his hand as he expired.

    In a life full of joys and troubles, with his best friend by his side, Aang's only regret was not living to meet their grandchildren — and Katara's constant joy was seeing him in them.

    What can I say? Guy loved to fartbend.

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  • RadiusRadius Registered User regular
    edited November 2013
    Legba wrote: »
    I'm willing to bet that they didn't only ever date each other, either. They probably outgrew their initial crush, grew apart, dated others, had a reunion, became friends, developed feelings, proclaimed their love in an incredibly cute and awkward scene, dated for a few years, got married, had children, lived happily, quarrelled, forgave, raised two sons and a daughter, expected greatness, hoped, were disappointed, took comfort, carried burdens, shared happiness, rested, were content, and eventually, she held his hand as he expired.

    In a life full of joys and troubles, with his best friend by his side, Aang's only regret was not living to meet their grandchildren — and Katara's constant joy was seeing him in them.

    So we're writing fanfiction now?

    Well, writing and then actually posting.

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  • KwoaruKwoaru Registered User regular
    nothing wrong with a little fan fiction (unless it directly contradicts my internal fan fiction)

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  • LegbaLegba He did. Registered User regular
    Ain't nothing wrong with fan fiction,

  • see317see317 Registered User regular
    Legba wrote: »
    I'm willing to bet that they didn't only ever date each other, either. They probably outgrew their initial crush, grew apart, dated others, had a reunion, became friends, developed feelings, proclaimed their love in an incredibly cute and awkward scene, dated for a few years, got married, had children, lived happily, quarrelled, forgave, raised two sons and a daughter, expected greatness, hoped, were disappointed, took comfort, carried burdens, shared happiness, rested, were content, and eventually, she held his hand as he expired.

    In a life full of joys and troubles, with his best friend by his side, Aang's only regret was not living to meet their grandchildren — and Katara's constant joy was seeing him in them.

    What can I say? Guy loved to fartbend.

    Alternatively, maybe the Gaang was just so damned busy trying to clean up the mess Aang made by disappearing for a century that he and Katara didn't have time to raise kids immediately.

    Sure, beating the Firelord was a start, but that couldn't be the only thing that the Avatar needed to attend to. Setting up Republic City, posing for a giant damned statue of himself, building zoos, paying back the cabbage salesman for years of torment... Aang had a lot on his plate.

  • KorKor Known to detonate from time to time Registered User regular
    Anzekay wrote: »
    Sorce wrote: »
    Goatmon wrote: »
    Sorce wrote: »
    Goatmon wrote: »
    A boy having feelings like that at that age may be a little unusual, but it's hardly unheard of, and I don't see how it's somehow creepy to include such a thing.
    Basically Aang is in middle school, age-wise. Kids are absolutely having feelings and crushes and sticking their toes in the pool as far as love/attraction. The fact that Aang and Katara ended up married with 3 kids is way more creepy than Aang falling in love with Katara during the series.

    So you're saying it's just creepy that a childhood romance didn't fall apart, and instead blossomed into a successful adult relationship?

    I don't really follow why. Weird I can understand, but not really creepy.

    And I still don't get why a 12 year old boy crushing on a girl two years older than him is creepy in the first place.
    Yeah, I didn't give context; my fault. I have no problem with Aang and Katara crushing on each other, since that's pretty much what kids that age do. It's kind of creepy/weird that their first relationship ended up being their last/only one, since you usually don't find your one true love when you're that age. I'm not against them being a couple or anything, just pointing out that then ending up together is not nearly as likely as them dating.

    It may be unlikely, but it does happen- I know several couples (some now in their 80s, some in their 50s) who met in middle school/high school, were their first dates, and ended up getting married. Just because it's unlikely doesn't mean it's creepy to have it occur in a show.

    Calling it creepy seems really... Excessive, honestly.

    Agreed

    Source: My wife and I met (and shortly started dating) when we were 15/16 in 2001, and we've been together ever since. I have an Aunt and Uncle that met when they were both 4 years old. They're both in their late 40s now. Still married, with 3 kids and a couple grand children. The scenario of a 12 year old boy and a 14 year old girl somehow being together the rest of their lives isn't exactly unheard of.

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  • PsykomaPsykoma Registered User regular
    I'm re-watching ATLA, and while I enjoyed Korra it just reinforces how much better the Gaang was.

    Two main things:
    1. I had guessed at it, but I hadn't realized just how much the show was diminished by a lack of regular appearances of Iroh.
    2. They really really advanced the technology way too much in making korra.

  • DeciusDecius I'm old! I'm fat! I'M BLUE!Registered User regular
    edited November 2013
    Plus (and I really hate to keep being that guy) it's a children's show at it's foundation (and really the first couple floors). Cutesy things like them growing up and living happily ever after happen as a matter of course. Our own curmudgeonly adult perceptions of the real world don't really apply.

    Just like Korra seems to be aimed at those that grew up watching TLA.

    I'm not saying we should completely dismiss stuff outright, but lets try to take things in context.
    see317 wrote: »
    Legba wrote: »
    I'm willing to bet that they didn't only ever date each other, either. They probably outgrew their initial crush, grew apart, dated others, had a reunion, became friends, developed feelings, proclaimed their love in an incredibly cute and awkward scene, dated for a few years, got married, had children, lived happily, quarrelled, forgave, raised two sons and a daughter, expected greatness, hoped, were disappointed, took comfort, carried burdens, shared happiness, rested, were content, and eventually, she held his hand as he expired.

    In a life full of joys and troubles, with his best friend by his side, Aang's only regret was not living to meet their grandchildren — and Katara's constant joy was seeing him in them.

    What can I say? Guy loved to fartbend.

    Alternatively, maybe the Gaang was just so damned busy trying to clean up the mess Aang made by disappearing for a century that he and Katara didn't have time to raise kids immediately.

    Sure, beating the Firelord was a start, but that couldn't be the only thing that the Avatar needed to attend to. Setting up Republic City, posing for a giant damned statue of himself, building zoos, paying back the cabbage salesman for years of torment... Aang had a lot on his plate.

    SFDebris talks about this in part 1 of his Korra Book 1 review. There's a graphic novel series that takes place between the two television series, that covers some of the unrest in the post-TLA world. It's called The Promise.

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  • TankHammerTankHammer Atlanta Ghostbuster Atlanta, GARegistered User regular
    edited November 2013
    The technological advancement isn't a huge problem for me in the Avatar world when you compare it to the real world between say 1850 and 1920. In the days of the 100-year war there were tanks and mechanical drills and zeppelins. This is "only" 70 years later and it seems kinda sudden for there to be skyscrapers and cars and airplanes and motorcycles and electricity but all of those things kinda hit suddenly in real life also! The age of samurai and horse drawn carriages and oil lamps preceded the first manned airplane flight and invention of the light bulb by less time than that.

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  • JimothyJimothy Not in front of the fox he's with the owlRegistered User regular
    Plus I am sick to death of static fantasy worlds

  • KwoaruKwoaru Registered User regular
    edited November 2013
    No matter what other faults Korra might have, the world building is fantastic and reflects a really thoughtful attention to detail

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  • FiendishrabbitFiendishrabbit Registered User regular
    TankHammer wrote: »
    This is "only" 70 years later and it seems kinda sudden for there to be skyscrapers and cars and airplanes and motorcycles and electricity but all of those things kinda hit suddenly in real life also!

    Besides they have a pretty major advantage over us. A work crew assisted by firebenders and earthbenders (some with metalbending) could construct stuff with frightening speed.
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  • UrscaUrsca Registered User regular
    I feel sorry for the poor sod who gets the job as human cement mixer.

  • DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    Ursca wrote: »
    I feel sorry for the poor sod who gets the job as human cement mixer.

    Waterbender and Earthbender together doing the wax on wax off thing?

  • SorceSorce Not ThereRegistered User regular
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    Ursca wrote: »
    I feel sorry for the poor sod who gets the job as human cement mixer.

    Waterbender and Earthbender together doing the wax on wax off thing?
    Yeah, Toph and Katara did something similar in AtLA, when they had clean-up duty for something or other.

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  • KwoaruKwoaru Registered User regular
    it was to plug up the giant wall drill wasn't it

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  • PsykomaPsykoma Registered User regular
    edited November 2013
    TankHammer wrote: »
    The technological advancement isn't a huge problem for me in the Avatar world when you compare it to the real world between say 1850 and 1920. In the days of the 100-year war there were tanks and mechanical drills and zeppelins. This is "only" 70 years later and it seems kinda sudden for there to be skyscrapers and cars and airplanes and motorcycles and electricity but all of those things kinda hit suddenly in real life also! The age of samurai and horse drawn carriages and oil lamps preceded the first manned airplane flight and invention of the light bulb by less time than that.

    The 100 year war had for the most part steam powered drills and zeppelins, though the zeppelins only came around in the last year of it (and there weren't any references to drills before that either) remember - it was a big deal in season 1 of ATLA when the balloon was just invented/made feasible as an aircraft, real world was at the balloon stage of flight for a couple hundred years before planes of that caliber came about. And I don't remember seeing anything like mecha tanks even in 2013.
    I'm glad that they did advance the technology, it just seemed to me way too much and a lot of it looked to me like it was designed just to work in some steampunkesque looking machines.

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  • BarrakkethBarrakketh Registered User regular
    Kwoaru wrote: »
    it was to plug up the giant wall drill wasn't it
    I believe he is referring to them cleaning up the water in The Painted Lady.

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  • BroloBrolo Broseidon Lord of the BroceanRegistered User regular
    Jimothy wrote: »
    Plus I am sick to death of static fantasy worlds

    Next series:

    Avatar 20XX: C.Y.B.E.R.B.E.N.D.I.N.G.

  • Centipede DamascusCentipede Damascus Registered User regular
    remember how the original idea for Avatar was set in a future world where Momo was a robot

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