Chemical Leak in West Virginia

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http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/09/us/west-virginia-contaminated-water/
The water that some 300,000 people in West Virginia usually depend on to slake their thirst, wash their bodies and brush their teeth is now good for only one thing -- flushing their toilets, authorities told them Friday.
"We don't know that the water is not safe, but I can't say it is safe," Jeff McIntyre, president of West Virginia American Water Co., told reporters about the water his company provides to customers in central and southwestern West Virginia.
That's the way things have been since Thursday night, when residents of Kanawha County reported a foul odor -- similar to licorice -- in the air. By Friday afternoon, it was unclear when the situation would revert to normal. "We have no timeline," McIntyre said.
Investigators from the Kanawha County Fire Department and the state Department of Environmental Protection quickly found the source -- a leak from a 48,000-gallon storage tank along the Elk River, which serves as the source of water for the 1,500 miles of pipeline that carry water to customers in the region.
The chemical had overflowed a containment area around the tank and then migrated over land and through the soil into the river.
"I do not believe it is continuing to flow," McIntyre said.
But finding the source didn't solve the problem. By 4 p.m. Thursday, the odor was coming from the water that had already been treated, meaning it was contaminated, McIntyre said. Within two hours, officials issued the stop-use warning, a move that McIntyre described as unprecedented.

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  • Donovan PuppyfuckerDonovan Puppyfucker A dagger in the dark is worth a thousand swords in the morningRegistered User regular
    Imagine if Fitt Gormney had won the election and eradicated the EPA - the gubbermint could use some of the money they would save to help clean up messes like this!

  • SimBenSimBen Hodor? Hodor Hodor.Registered User regular
    edited January 2014
    A deadly tank of sambucca stored irresponsibly close to this lake.

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  • ChincymcchillaChincymcchilla Registered User regular
    Thoughts to anyone in the area.

    Please be careful.

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  • Magic PinkMagic Pink Tur-Boner-Fed Registered User regular
    So... what exactly was in the storage tank and why aren't they saying that in the article?

  • SimBenSimBen Hodor? Hodor Hodor.Registered User regular
    Magic Pink wrote: »
    So... what exactly was in the storage tank and why aren't they saying that in the article?
    SimBen wrote: »
    A deadly tank of sambucca stored irresponsibly close to this lake.

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  • ArangArang HUEY LEWISRegistered User regular
    Magic Pink wrote: »
    So... what exactly was in the storage tank and why aren't they saying that in the article?
    The leaked chemical, 4-methylcyclohexane methanol, is harmful if swallowed, said Thomas Aluise, a spokesman for the state's Department of Environmental Protection. It is used to wash coal before it goes to market.

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  • Magic PinkMagic Pink Tur-Boner-Fed Registered User regular
    SimBen wrote: »
    Magic Pink wrote: »
    So... what exactly was in the storage tank and why aren't they saying that in the article?

    SimBen wrote: »
    A deadly tank of sambucca stored irresponsibly close to this lake.

    I desperately want to make an Olive Garden Unethical Practices joke but I wouldn't feel ok doing it until I know how the sevre the effects of this will be. :(

  • Donovan PuppyfuckerDonovan Puppyfucker A dagger in the dark is worth a thousand swords in the morningRegistered User regular
    I hope whoever is responsible for this is thoroughly reprimanded.

  • ReginaldReginald When I am Pres., I will create the Department of ______Registered User regular
    Arang wrote: »
    Magic Pink wrote: »
    So... what exactly was in the storage tank and why aren't they saying that in the article?
    The leaked chemical, 4-methylcyclohexane methanol, is harmful if swallowed, said Thomas Aluise, a spokesman for the state's Department of Environmental Protection. It is used to wash coal before it goes to market.

    http://toxnet.nlm.nih.gov/cgi-bin/sis/search/a?dbs+hsdb:@term+@DOCNO+2910

  • SimBenSimBen Hodor? Hodor Hodor.Registered User regular
    I hope whoever is responsible for this is thoroughly reprimanded.

    un

    fuckin'

    likely

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  • SimBenSimBen Hodor? Hodor Hodor.Registered User regular
    Unless by "reprimanded" you mean "given millions of dollars in severance and retiring to the Bahamas".

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  • SeñorAmorSeñorAmor !!! Registered User regular
    SimBen wrote: »
    Unless by "reprimanded" you mean "given millions of dollars in severance and retiring to the Bahamas".

    Paid administrative leave.

  • Donovan PuppyfuckerDonovan Puppyfucker A dagger in the dark is worth a thousand swords in the morningRegistered User regular
    Reginald wrote: »
    Arang wrote: »
    Magic Pink wrote: »
    So... what exactly was in the storage tank and why aren't they saying that in the article?
    The leaked chemical, 4-methylcyclohexane methanol, is harmful if swallowed, said Thomas Aluise, a spokesman for the state's Department of Environmental Protection. It is used to wash coal before it goes to market.

    http://toxnet.nlm.nih.gov/cgi-bin/sis/search/a?dbs+hsdb:@term+@DOCNO+2910

    Ffffffffffffffffffffffuck.

  • ArangArang HUEY LEWISRegistered User regular
    Reginald wrote: »
    Arang wrote: »
    Magic Pink wrote: »
    So... what exactly was in the storage tank and why aren't they saying that in the article?
    The leaked chemical, 4-methylcyclohexane methanol, is harmful if swallowed, said Thomas Aluise, a spokesman for the state's Department of Environmental Protection. It is used to wash coal before it goes to market.

    http://toxnet.nlm.nih.gov/cgi-bin/sis/search/a?dbs+hsdb:@term+@DOCNO+2910

    Ffffffffffffffffffffffuck.

    The amount is question is probably too small to do anything much to anyone

    probably

    hopefully

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  • XaquinXaquin Right behind you!Registered User regular
    well at least shit like that is gone in mere days and has no lasting effects.

    just look at love canal!

    motherfuckers.

  • Donovan PuppyfuckerDonovan Puppyfucker A dagger in the dark is worth a thousand swords in the morningRegistered User regular
    It's toxic enough via skin contact.

    It's significantly worse via ingestion.

    Hopefully the leak was very small, but I don't trust that it will be.

  • SimBenSimBen Hodor? Hodor Hodor.Registered User regular
    The leak was large enough to overfill a safety trench around the tank

    which to me reads holy shit massive

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  • MarathonMarathon Registered User regular
    Arang wrote: »
    Magic Pink wrote: »
    So... what exactly was in the storage tank and why aren't they saying that in the article?
    The leaked chemical, 4-methylcyclohexane methanol, is harmful if swallowed, said Thomas Aluise, a spokesman for the state's Department of Environmental Protection. It is used to wash coal before it goes to market.

    If it's used to wash coal this should be ok for showers, aren't people from Virginia 60% coal already?

  • Donovan PuppyfuckerDonovan Puppyfucker A dagger in the dark is worth a thousand swords in the morningRegistered User regular
    SimBen wrote: »
    The leak was large enough to overfill a safety trench around the tank

    which to me reads holy shit massive

    Unless the bund was already full of water/snow!

    I get the feeling that if it were only 10 gallons, there is a slightly lower likelihood of 300,000 people being told to not even use the water to wash their dishes.

  • rhylithrhylith Death Rabbits HoustonRegistered User regular
    edited January 2014
    Totally speculating here, but I'd be willing to bet it's an older atmospheric/low pressure tank that may have been damaged by the extreme cold weather, followed by the rapid rise to where they are now (from lows below 0 up to the 50s today). That's a lot of stress on the vessel.

    A properly designed containment area should be large enough to hold the full contents of its largest tank in a leak though. That's not to say there wouldn't be any carryover due to other conditions (water in the containment already due to rain, wind blowing, other materials in the containment, further leaks in the containment, bad design, etc.) but if they did their shit right we wouldn't be in this situation.

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  • XaquinXaquin Right behind you!Registered User regular
    "Officials from West Virginia American Water say they have no estimate for when they might be able to begin flushing out the system and that recent tests of the water have proved to be inconclusive," Dave Mistich of West Virginia Public Broadcasting tells the NPR Newsdesk.

    Inconclusive?

    Either it's drinkable or it isn't.

  • JasconiusJasconius sword criminal mad onlineRegistered User regular
    that's not 4-methylcyclohexane methanol

    that's freedom juice

  • KadithKadith Registered User regular
    Xaquin wrote: »
    "Officials from West Virginia American Water say they have no estimate for when they might be able to begin flushing out the system and that recent tests of the water have proved to be inconclusive," Dave Mistich of West Virginia Public Broadcasting tells the NPR Newsdesk.

    Inconclusive?

    Either it's drinkable or it isn't.

    The test is a bunch of people going around in a circle with a PPM readout going:

    "Well, are you going to drink it?"

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  • SimBenSimBen Hodor? Hodor Hodor.Registered User regular
    Xaquin wrote: »
    "Officials from West Virginia American Water say they have no estimate for when they might be able to begin flushing out the system and that recent tests of the water have proved to be inconclusive," Dave Mistich of West Virginia Public Broadcasting tells the NPR Newsdesk.

    Inconclusive?

    Either it's drinkable or it isn't.

    It means they didn't detect the chemical in their sample, but can't yet conclude that all the water is safe to drink. More tests are necessary.

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  • ButtcleftButtcleft Registered User regular
    Last I heard, the company that runs the plant is named Freedom Industries.

    Which just made me keel over with irony overload when I read this story.

  • DoobhDoobh She/Her, Ace Pan/Bisexual 8-) What's up, bootlickers?Registered User regular
    Protect your precious bodily fluids

    Also, no fighting in the war room

    (holy shit this chemical leak)

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  • LarlarLarlar consecutive normal brunches Moderator, ClubPA Mod Emeritus
    Buttcleft wrote: »
    Last I heard, the company that runs the plant is named Freedom Industries.

    Which just made me keel over with irony overload when I read this story.

    Does their mission statement say anything about working towards equal rights and freedoms for all chemicals?

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  • Twenty SidedTwenty Sided Registered User regular
    edited January 2014
    Conclusion on a chemisty reddit seems to be that it's a bit overblown:
    reddit.com/r/chemistry/comments/1uunyw/4methylcyclohexane_methanol/
    Originally posted by: Eichmann-5916588
    Chemist here, this is being blown way out of proportion and dramatized. Not that uncommon, my inorganic [chemistry] professor used to have us critique stories like this one as part of our normal assignments. So lets have some facts:
    1. This material is only slightly soluble in water, which means that the concentrations in the water will max out in the 3% range. Directly drinking this water, while still not a good idea, will not result in surface burns or respiratory problems. The concentration and vapors are just. not. there.
    2. The Rat LD50 on this is 1660 mg/kg. For comparison, the LD50 for table salt is 3,000 mg/kg, and the LD50 of Caffeine is 192 mg/kg. So yea... Don't go around drinking a lot of it, but unless you're seeking it out to eat/drink, you're going to be OK.
    3. The tanks in the picture have an berm and a dike wall around them. Both would have had to fail for the water to be contaminated, so something else happened. I still haven't heard the quantity released yet, but by the response several thousand gallons (which isn't as much as you think) would have had to breach the containment in order to elicit this type of response.
    4. The material is lighter than water, so it's going to float on top. Should make cleanup easier & faster and dissolution happen faster, but increase the risk of it moving downstream. The half-life in rivers is estimated at ~4 days, as in gone. Not just dissolved away. Gone through a combination of microbacterial digestion, volatilization, and photoracial based degradation.
    5. The "Hazards" given are based straight off the MSDS sheet which assumes direct exposure. (eg. splashing the material directly into the eyes or onto the skin, or working with the material at normal handling temperatures: which is why the SDS for water lists a burn potential.) Also, since SDS's are a legal document EVERY known or suspected hazard is on it. In the SDS world it's covering any "alleged significant adverse reaction" reported through TSCA.
    6. I GUARANTEE you this incident is going to be investigated by OSHA, EPA, NIOSH, and the CSB who will all take this very seriously from an environmental and PHA standpoint. The company will suffer very serious fines for allowing the spill, and given the impact, I would not be at all surprised if they were forced to shut down.
    In the end, it really depends on how much was released, the substance itself isn't that bad. The dose makes the poison, and when dealing with the public it is usually better to overreact than underreact. These I understand.

    (edited for formatting and links)

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  • AntimatterAntimatter Devo Was Right Gates of SteelRegistered User regular
    yeah but reddit

  • Twenty SidedTwenty Sided Registered User regular
    Interestingly, there's another Redditor on there claiming that coal business is rather unethical in those parts.

  • Bluedude152Bluedude152 Registered User regular
    edited January 2014
    Reddit also believed random arab guy had to be the boston bomber, and made him have to fear for his life

    I dont trust shit from reddit
    Interestingly, there's another Redditor on there claiming that coal business is rather unethical in those parts.
    You dont say

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  • Twenty SidedTwenty Sided Registered User regular
    edited January 2014
    /shrugs
    You do realize that Reddit isn't a monolithic opinion, right?

    I'm not taking it on faith. As other commentators pointed out, while not particularly lethal, the health effects and toxicity short of death is unknown.
    The guy I'm quoting is speculating that there is probably something else going on. I've listened to an NPR bit on the story and did hear about the burning sensation and vomiting thing, so that's a curious bit of reporting going on there.

    Twenty Sided on
  • KadithKadith Registered User regular
    I like how they ignore the issue that by being in the public water supply you have high risk people like infants, children, pregnant woman and the elderly coming into contact with it.

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  • HeadCreepsHeadCreeps NOW IS THE TIME FOR DRINKING! Registered User regular
    Yes, but the question still remains:

    How is this Obama's fault?

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  • DoobhDoobh She/Her, Ace Pan/Bisexual 8-) What's up, bootlickers?Registered User regular
    the coal business is rather unethical in your parts

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  • SimBenSimBen Hodor? Hodor Hodor.Registered User regular
    HeadCreeps wrote: »
    Yes, but the question still remains:

    How is this Obama's fault?

    In all the ways.

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  • NikolaiNikolai SSSSSSSSSSS Registered User regular
    @crackedlens is from the WV. Hope all is well.

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  • Twenty SidedTwenty Sided Registered User regular
    edited January 2014
    Okay, well it might not be pure MCHM. Crude MCHM. Meaning that it's unpurified industrial product.

    MSDS Sheet for Crude MCHM

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  • ButtcleftButtcleft Registered User regular
    edited January 2014
    HeadCreeps wrote: »
    Yes, but the question still remains:

    How is this Obama's fault?

    Obama's government thugs brutally captured and sent all the upstanding American workers at that plant to Gitmo to enact his horrible scheme.

    He ordered his illuminati agents to intentionally overflow the tanks and dump into the river to strengthen his EPA so he can continue to ruin business and capitalism.

    It also had the side affect of forcing hundreds of thousands into hospitals and doctors offices where they''ll need government teat moocher insurance to pay for their treatment!

    DOWN WITH THE COMMUNIST

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  • JoeUserJoeUser Forum Santa Registered User regular
    Who decided to store a bunch of chemicals next to the town's water suply?

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