First impressions are generally neat, but I've got to agree. I don't really want to hear what they're excited about or frowning upon, I'd rather wait a few weeks or months and let some actual playtime sort those out to some degree.
Probably a vestige from my years as a Magic player, kind of spoiled having an absurdly large community and not being able to go more than a few weeks without X tournament being reported on and shifting the metagame.
But yeah, up there with podcasts on 'things I'm beginning to think are indicators that I'm getting old and set in my ways'. Just no interest.
First they came for the Muslims, and we said NOT TODAY, MOTHERFUCKER!
I quite enjoy podcasts! They are great for when you are doing other activities like driving, going to the gym, or playing simple games. Them and audio books.
To me, podcasts are like old-style radio shows, and I loved those as a kid. Have them be about something I'm really interested in, and you've got yourself a listener right here!
Podcasts are a great way to mitigate the frustration of my commute :P Also, yes audio books
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tzeentchlingDoctor of RocksOaklandRegistered Userregular
I'm curious about something. Noise decks tend to be virus-heavy, right? I was browsing through some decks online and noticed that almost no-one includes Chakana in their decks.
To me, it seems like a really good card to go with what Noise (I think) wants to do, which is slow the game down, build his rig and virus counters, and make running ice trivial. It seems like it would make fast-advance a harder strategy since less can be scored from hand, even with SanSan/Biotic. It's a virus, so it triggers Noise's ability, can be searched for (and hosted) with Djinn, paid for with Cyberfeeders, etc.
Is it simply too slow? Too unrelated to what Noise/a runner is doing?
My guess is that it is not directly related to what noise is doing, it takes a bit too long to build up (zero effect until you get three counters) and it gets wiped out during a virus purge which is going to be happening to noise anyway, and then you have to build it again.
I would love to see people play and use more anti fast advanced tech (and hope to see more come out in the future). Maybe someone can figure out something using Chakana, The Source (using Aesop's to trash the source at the start of your turn, so you don't suffer the penalty, scoring an agenda, and then getting The Source back into play either via you hand or some kind of recursion seems hilarious) and other cards they add later.
With Jinteki getting a pretty good seeming fast advance identity in the near future we might start seeing more counterplay, who knows.
Edit: Oh, also because personal workshop is already 4 out of faction points (I assume Noise still loves personal workshops?).
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AthenorBattle Hardened OptimistThe Skies of HiigaraRegistered Userregular
Yeah. Chakana being wiped is a huge vulnerability, compared to something like The Source. Plus, it costs influence, which would probably be better spent on other cards.
tzeentchlingDoctor of RocksOaklandRegistered Userregular
Probably, though I am not entirely sure why Personal Workshop is so popular with Noise in particular. Any ideas about that?
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AthenorBattle Hardened OptimistThe Skies of HiigaraRegistered Userregular
Stimhack.
The idea is that you load all your viruses on Personal Workshop. Then, run archives, and use the creds from Stimhack to pull them all off in one huge sweep, killing shit and milling without the corp having time to react, creating a massive glorious run. It's now much harder, as there are some hard counters that have made Noise fall out of favor.
Also, Personal Workshop lets you selectively mill the corp.
Example. You ran RND and saw three cards. Your turn ends.
Let's say you saw:
Hedge Fund
SEA Source
Popup Window
Weylund's got a ton of money, so not much to be gained by milling the hedge fund. However, you're pretty sure that they've got a scorched earth in their hand, and since you ran last time, that's going to kill you. So, they draw for their turn, then you pay a credit or two to bring out a virus from your shop. They don't have the chance to draw SEA Source, and you live to run another day.
Noiseshop is still really good, in my opinion. Jackson Howard just brought it more in line with other decks.
I think its definitely worth a read, especially as a new player like me, because it opened my eyes to a lot of possible card interactions I may not have realized at first.
Like being able to install a parasite mid run, in response to the corp rezzing it, and then potentially data suckers to blow up that ice on that same run without even breaking it.
It's good stuff!
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Powerpuppiesdrinking coffee in themountain cabinRegistered Userregular
edited January 2014
Clone chip or self-modifying code are more popular ways to play parasite mid-run.
If you want to see a chakana source deck, I posted one a page or two ago
So the corp deck I'm playing at the moment.
I feel pretty fucking dirty.
Scoring the last 3 points is incredibly easy with a shutdown combo.
However, if I have an astroscript scored(or a sansan on the table), a jackson on the table, a shutdown and 2 diagnostics (sounds like a lot to have, but it really isn't that uncommon to draw into more than one diagnostics) I can score 5 points in a turn from having 3 credits (9 if I need to rez the sansan).
As I have now mentioned in the guidepost, Steam is very useful for finding games. If, like me, you hang on there while you're online, please do start adding us - we're all pretty easy to find.
Start with me. Same name. My icon is a black and white hacker symbol. Then fight me.
Now.
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AthenorBattle Hardened OptimistThe Skies of HiigaraRegistered Userregular
Wow.
What's it say when the local champion player joins a facebook group and their first action is to point out all the reasons why you are wrong about a card?
I've noticed he does this a lot - there is no black or white. There's no possibility of growth or "maybe in the future," or looking for interesting combos. Nope. The card is just bad, and you are bad for talking about it.
AthenorBattle Hardened OptimistThe Skies of HiigaraRegistered Userregular
edited January 2014
Pretty much. I've had to call him out before, actually.
See, we have a general LCG facebook group for the area, because we don't have enough players for any one game. Well, on more than one occasion he's insulted the other LCGs as inferior and stupid, or implied other players were shit. While I don't disagree with some of the things he is saying (in reference to cards/playstyles), the way he says them is highly insulting and demeaning. I know that a lot of my friends would swing by the store more if he wasn't around. OTOH, he's the guy who always wins everything or organizes everything, which... ugh. It makes it tough. We need more people willing to play with newbies, and more people in the midrange. We need more people in general.
Pretty much. I've had to call him out before, actually.
See, we have a general LCG facebook group for the area, because we don't have enough players for any one game. Well, on more than one occasion he's insulted the other LCGs as inferior and stupid, or implied other players were shit. While I don't disagree with some of the things he is saying (in reference to cards/playstyles), the way he says them is highly insulting and demeaning. I know that a lot of my friends would swing by the store more if he wasn't around. OTOH, he's the guy who always wins everything or organizes everything, which... ugh. It makes it tough. We need more people willing to play with newbies, and more people in the midrange. We need more people in general.
My sympathies.
Shit like this makes me really appreciate my local group. I was about to say there's no assholes that play there, but there's probably one - me.
Pretty much. I've had to call him out before, actually.
See, we have a general LCG facebook group for the area, because we don't have enough players for any one game. Well, on more than one occasion he's insulted the other LCGs as inferior and stupid, or implied other players were shit. While I don't disagree with some of the things he is saying (in reference to cards/playstyles), the way he says them is highly insulting and demeaning. I know that a lot of my friends would swing by the store more if he wasn't around. OTOH, he's the guy who always wins everything or organizes everything, which... ugh. It makes it tough. We need more people willing to play with newbies, and more people in the midrange. We need more people in general.
My sympathies.
Shit like this makes me really appreciate my local group. I was about to say there's no assholes that play there, but there's probably one - me.
You'd be more of one if you were better at the game too
Pretty much. I've had to call him out before, actually.
See, we have a general LCG facebook group for the area, because we don't have enough players for any one game. Well, on more than one occasion he's insulted the other LCGs as inferior and stupid, or implied other players were shit. While I don't disagree with some of the things he is saying (in reference to cards/playstyles), the way he says them is highly insulting and demeaning. I know that a lot of my friends would swing by the store more if he wasn't around. OTOH, he's the guy who always wins everything or organizes everything, which... ugh. It makes it tough. We need more people willing to play with newbies, and more people in the midrange. We need more people in general.
My sympathies.
Shit like this makes me really appreciate my local group. I was about to say there's no assholes that play there, but there's probably one - me.
You'd be more of one if you were better at the game too
(Love you really)
Them's fighting words, jello-pop!
You. Me. OCTGN. No items. Fox only. Final Destination.
Pretty much. I've had to call him out before, actually.
See, we have a general LCG facebook group for the area, because we don't have enough players for any one game. Well, on more than one occasion he's insulted the other LCGs as inferior and stupid, or implied other players were shit. While I don't disagree with some of the things he is saying (in reference to cards/playstyles), the way he says them is highly insulting and demeaning. I know that a lot of my friends would swing by the store more if he wasn't around. OTOH, he's the guy who always wins everything or organizes everything, which... ugh. It makes it tough. We need more people willing to play with newbies, and more people in the midrange. We need more people in general.
My sympathies.
Shit like this makes me really appreciate my local group. I was about to say there's no assholes that play there, but there's probably one - me.
You'd be more of one if you were better at the game too
(Love you really)
Them's fighting words, jello-pop!
You. Me. OCTGN. No items. Fox only. Final Destination.
I caught myself on the verge of acting like that asshole on facebook when one of our newer players was trying to run a 65+ card shaper deck. There is no way in hell I think running a deck like that is a good idea, but halfway through trying to explain this to him I decided to cut myself short and just let it go. I don't want to be that guy, especially since I am one of the more proactive players trying to grow my local community. People like the FB guy are a big reason why I will never get back into magic. :P
I mean there are probably good ways to handle that. Maybe after the game you say something like "That was fun. Have you considered running a smaller deck? A lot of players try to have the smallest deck they can so that blah blah blah"
Oh also I installed OCTGN and registered. Same name. PST. I'm brand new to the game and want to learn how to use the starter decks in the core set.
You on now, @Denada? I have a hair over an hour, if you want the basics.
I was just going to log on but then our server guy asked me to add something to our dmz, and then I have to meet some people to talk to a contractor about cabling runs, so I'm not going to be on after all. Ugh.
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Powerpuppiesdrinking coffee in themountain cabinRegistered Userregular
hee hee
runner ran my chum + data raven, faeried the data raven, took a tag
i didn't react with jaho
he trashed jaho
removed the tag
and then i did SEA + SE + SE
and he really wished he had one of those three credits back
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Shortytouching the meatIntergalactic Cool CourtRegistered Userregular
so, I've been speculating about Honor and Profit
one of the things we know about it is that Jinteki will finally be getting at least one in-faction 5/3 agenda
and I've been thinking about what sort of thing I'd like this card to do
what I would like to see is a permanent ability, similar to Weyland's The Cleaners agenda, that makes Jinteki better at doing net damage after it's been scored
now, I think "whenever you do net damage, do 1 additional net damage" would certainly be too good
I'm also thinking that any Nisei-esque token-activated ability would probably be too good
how bout y'all
who wants to speculate baselessly with me
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tzeentchlingDoctor of RocksOaklandRegistered Userregular
How about, "The first time you do net damage in a turn, do 1 additional net damage." That way, it's not always-on, and the runner can predict it, but it still makes attacks deadlier.
That just seems far too terrifying with their core set ID. Every stolen or scored agenda would be 2 net damage, fetal AI would be 4 net damage.
Also that agenda would make neural EMP terrifying.
Baseless speculation for the 5/3 Jinteki agenda?
Put X agenda counters on this card (not sure what would be a good number for X)
Hosted Agenda Counter: Prevent 1 card from being exposed.
Maybe too weak? But I feel like exposing is going to become more and more of a thing.
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Shortytouching the meatIntergalactic Cool CourtRegistered Userregular
that's not strong enough for a 5/3
maybe a 4/2
or a 3/2 that has to be overadvanced
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tzeentchlingDoctor of RocksOaklandRegistered Userregular
I mean, nobody seems to play with Net Shield or anything like that, but if there was a Plascrete Carapace approximate equivalent for net damage, I could see my suggestion being valid.
Maybe limit it to "The first time a runner takes net damage during a run, they take 1 additional net damage." That way it puts the onus of damage on the runner, and does make the first agenda in a turn they steal from Personal Evolution (assuming no ice encounters) do two points. It would definitely discourage multiple runs, which benefits (obliquely) Replicating Perfection too, since they have to make two runs to hit remotes. And it doesn't make scoring agendas or Neural EMP too strong, since those still would do only one point under PE.
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Probably a vestige from my years as a Magic player, kind of spoiled having an absurdly large community and not being able to go more than a few weeks without X tournament being reported on and shifting the metagame.
But yeah, up there with podcasts on 'things I'm beginning to think are indicators that I'm getting old and set in my ways'. Just no interest.
To me, it seems like a really good card to go with what Noise (I think) wants to do, which is slow the game down, build his rig and virus counters, and make running ice trivial. It seems like it would make fast-advance a harder strategy since less can be scored from hand, even with SanSan/Biotic. It's a virus, so it triggers Noise's ability, can be searched for (and hosted) with Djinn, paid for with Cyberfeeders, etc.
Is it simply too slow? Too unrelated to what Noise/a runner is doing?
I would love to see people play and use more anti fast advanced tech (and hope to see more come out in the future). Maybe someone can figure out something using Chakana, The Source (using Aesop's to trash the source at the start of your turn, so you don't suffer the penalty, scoring an agenda, and then getting The Source back into play either via you hand or some kind of recursion seems hilarious) and other cards they add later.
With Jinteki getting a pretty good seeming fast advance identity in the near future we might start seeing more counterplay, who knows.
Edit: Oh, also because personal workshop is already 4 out of faction points (I assume Noise still loves personal workshops?).
The idea is that you load all your viruses on Personal Workshop. Then, run archives, and use the creds from Stimhack to pull them all off in one huge sweep, killing shit and milling without the corp having time to react, creating a massive glorious run. It's now much harder, as there are some hard counters that have made Noise fall out of favor.
Stimhack + Clone Chip/SMC is still quite popular.
Example. You ran RND and saw three cards. Your turn ends.
Let's say you saw:
Hedge Fund
SEA Source
Popup Window
Weylund's got a ton of money, so not much to be gained by milling the hedge fund. However, you're pretty sure that they've got a scorched earth in their hand, and since you ran last time, that's going to kill you. So, they draw for their turn, then you pay a credit or two to bring out a virus from your shop. They don't have the chance to draw SEA Source, and you live to run another day.
Noiseshop is still really good, in my opinion. Jackson Howard just brought it more in line with other decks.
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This article gives a pretty exhaustive list of neat stuff you can do with it:
http://stimhack.com/12-awesome-things-that-personal-workshop-does-for-noise/
I think its definitely worth a read, especially as a new player like me, because it opened my eyes to a lot of possible card interactions I may not have realized at first.
Like being able to install a parasite mid run, in response to the corp rezzing it, and then potentially data suckers to blow up that ice on that same run without even breaking it.
It's good stuff!
If you want to see a chakana source deck, I posted one a page or two ago
Right, but see, I meant a good deck.
Just to defend, Pup's deck was actually pretty competent. Well, either that or I'm really bad at corp. Coin flip call, that one.
I feel pretty fucking dirty.
Scoring the last 3 points is incredibly easy with a shutdown combo.
However, if I have an astroscript scored(or a sansan on the table), a jackson on the table, a shutdown and 2 diagnostics (sounds like a lot to have, but it really isn't that uncommon to draw into more than one diagnostics) I can score 5 points in a turn from having 3 credits (9 if I need to rez the sansan).
Is there any interest in a small tournament? I was thinking 4 rounds of swiss... We would need 8 people minimum...
Thoughts?
In.
As I have now mentioned in the guidepost, Steam is very useful for finding games. If, like me, you hang on there while you're online, please do start adding us - we're all pretty easy to find.
Start with me. Same name. My icon is a black and white hacker symbol. Then fight me.
Now.
What's it say when the local champion player joins a facebook group and their first action is to point out all the reasons why you are wrong about a card?
I've noticed he does this a lot - there is no black or white. There's no possibility of growth or "maybe in the future," or looking for interesting combos. Nope. The card is just bad, and you are bad for talking about it.
See, we have a general LCG facebook group for the area, because we don't have enough players for any one game. Well, on more than one occasion he's insulted the other LCGs as inferior and stupid, or implied other players were shit. While I don't disagree with some of the things he is saying (in reference to cards/playstyles), the way he says them is highly insulting and demeaning. I know that a lot of my friends would swing by the store more if he wasn't around. OTOH, he's the guy who always wins everything or organizes everything, which... ugh. It makes it tough. We need more people willing to play with newbies, and more people in the midrange. We need more people in general.
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My sympathies.
Shit like this makes me really appreciate my local group. I was about to say there's no assholes that play there, but there's probably one - me.
You'd be more of one if you were better at the game too
(Love you really)
Them's fighting words, jello-pop!
You. Me. OCTGN. No items. Fox only. Final Destination.
Oh god this takes me back
Oh also I installed OCTGN and registered. Same name. PST. I'm brand new to the game and want to learn how to use the starter decks in the core set.
Chicago Megagame group
Watch me struggle to learn streaming! Point and laugh!
I was just going to log on but then our server guy asked me to add something to our dmz, and then I have to meet some people to talk to a contractor about cabling runs, so I'm not going to be on after all. Ugh.
Chicago Megagame group
Watch me struggle to learn streaming! Point and laugh!
runner ran my chum + data raven, faeried the data raven, took a tag
i didn't react with jaho
he trashed jaho
removed the tag
and then i did SEA + SE + SE
and he really wished he had one of those three credits back
one of the things we know about it is that Jinteki will finally be getting at least one in-faction 5/3 agenda
and I've been thinking about what sort of thing I'd like this card to do
what I would like to see is a permanent ability, similar to Weyland's The Cleaners agenda, that makes Jinteki better at doing net damage after it's been scored
now, I think "whenever you do net damage, do 1 additional net damage" would certainly be too good
I'm also thinking that any Nisei-esque token-activated ability would probably be too good
how bout y'all
who wants to speculate baselessly with me
Also that agenda would make neural EMP terrifying.
Baseless speculation for the 5/3 Jinteki agenda?
Put X agenda counters on this card (not sure what would be a good number for X)
Hosted Agenda Counter: Prevent 1 card from being exposed.
Maybe too weak? But I feel like exposing is going to become more and more of a thing.
maybe a 4/2
or a 3/2 that has to be overadvanced
Maybe limit it to "The first time a runner takes net damage during a run, they take 1 additional net damage." That way it puts the onus of damage on the runner, and does make the first agenda in a turn they steal from Personal Evolution (assuming no ice encounters) do two points. It would definitely discourage multiple runs, which benefits (obliquely) Replicating Perfection too, since they have to make two runs to hit remotes. And it doesn't make scoring agendas or Neural EMP too strong, since those still would do only one point under PE.