The true villain of [JRPGs] is thinking FFTA is a good game

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  • StiltsStilts Registered User regular
    Vow isn't even surprising me anymore.

    I think my mind has finally inoculated itself to him.

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  • -Tal-Tal Registered User regular
    Vow I want you to know that I respect your opinions

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  • captainkcaptaink TexasRegistered User regular
    Played a lot of Rune Factory 3 tonight. Marian is straight scary, mad scientist crazy.

  • UnbreakableVowUnbreakableVow Registered User regular
    I'm sure you could sit here all day and discuss all the academic reasons why Majora's Mask is a fantastic game and why FFX-2 is subpar

    And, you know

    Neat, I guess

    At the end of the day, I had a ton of fun with X-2, and Majora's Mask was not fun at all

    This is my measuring stick of quality

  • -Tal-Tal Registered User regular
    That is a reasonable position

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  • StiltsStilts Registered User regular
    I'm sure you could sit here all day and discuss all the academic reasons why Majora's Mask is a fantastic game and why FFX-2 is subpar

    And, you know

    Neat, I guess

    At the end of the day, I had a ton of fun with X-2, and Majora's Mask was not fun at all

    This is my measuring stick of quality

    Nah, that's fine.

    I only wrote that much about X-2 'cuz, like, the discussion prompted academic reasons.

    I mean, most people think I'm nuts when I call FFX my favorite game ever. And they're probably right, all things considered.

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  • JarsJars Registered User regular
    you didn't specify for story only, but I think city's story is fine anyway

    but the industry is so volatile it's kind of a loaded question. if half life flopped we never would have gotten half life 2. did valve intend to make half life 2 from the beginning when so much hinged on how well half life did?

  • Duke 2.0Duke 2.0 Time Trash Cat Registered User regular
    I'm not even necessarily against you on this Vow. I didn't have much fun with Majoras Mask and something about the general art style and music turns me the heck off. And that feel good feel is more important to me than the academic symbolism and meaning to a story.

    But man X-2 is not a hill I will follow you on

    Heck I even meant my comment as a joke

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  • Virgil_Leads_YouVirgil_Leads_You Proud Father House GardenerRegistered User regular
    X-2 > Majora's Mask

    X-2 > Dynasty Warriors 8 XL > Majora's Mask

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  • UnbreakableVowUnbreakableVow Registered User regular
    Speaking of fun, or the lack thereof, I'm playing Mario Kart 8 right now

    It is the first Mario Kart I've played since...64, I believe

    I've never had fun with this series in the past, and I'm not having fun with it now, exactly, maybe? I'm not sure

    It's boring me right now, I'm getting first in every race so far without even really trying or being good at these games (like I said, haven't played in well over a decade)

    And yet I keep playing

    Probably because it looks so pretty and I just want to see all the courses

  • -Tal-Tal Registered User regular
    In what mode

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  • ShenShen Registered User regular
    The pandering (I kinda hate what "fanservice" implies) is really inexcusable. Honestly all the female costume design in that game is fucked, save for like, the priestesses and a handful of the dresspheres.

    You're right about Rikku's motivations, I had forgotten that aspect. The tack the writers take by bringing in a huge threat is disappointing, but it does provide a fair few avenues for fleshing Yuna out, and ultimately leads to some really great exchanges where she works through some stuff she'd previously left unsaid.

    I suppose it is really a matter of how much weight you place on the things the game gets right versus the things it gets wrong.

    Also it's legal to marry your cousin in parts of Japan but it's considered pretty weird, so that's Brother explained, I guess? He's the worst.

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  • UnbreakableVowUnbreakableVow Registered User regular
    Grand Prix, I think?

    The main one, cups with four courses

  • Virgil_Leads_YouVirgil_Leads_You Proud Father House GardenerRegistered User regular
    Uh, gosh I keep reading FFX-2 as FF 13-2.
    I am less enthused about FF 10-2, but it still has a good deal of high points.

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  • JarsJars Registered User regular
    edited September 2014
    you can marry cousins in awakening but incest is a fire emblem mainstay

    I guess incest was pretty common in ye olden times because the pool of royals was so small that everything got intertwined

    Jars on
  • -SPI--SPI- Osaka, JapanRegistered User regular
    Played Fantasy Life for a little bit, seems fun so far. There are so many things to level up. It's like if you took the Call of Duty bar filling and put it into animal crossing. I levelled up my guy, and his stats, and his life(job) and the specific parts of the job (for example with the tailor I started at I now have level 2 garment making, which is seperate from cloth making or hat making). Plus individual skill levels with specific recipes ( I levelled my dandelion cloth skill up so I can make multiples or automate the crafting. And then overall skills like running, I levelled up my running going back and forth to the shop. So many bars to fill. All the bars all the time.

  • ShenShen Registered User regular
    I actually really like 13-2 as well, it's just super easy and has like two new encounters over 13. It's really interesting that they take a completely different approach to 13's world than they did with Spira. Instead of revisiting old familiar locations and seeing how they've changed, with each new 13 game you get like, a bunch of new areas and never go back to the old ones. Then again, I suppose 13 is way more disjointed than Spira ever was, with no actual transition between areas because that all happens in cutscenes.

    Mario Kart 150 CC with frantic items is a damn good time with friends, I don't think I'd spend any time with it by myself though.

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  • FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    -Tal wrote: »
    Has there ever been a direct sequel to a story intended to be standalone that was good

    BttF 2, and to a greater extent 3?

  • KanaKana Registered User regular
    Shen wrote: »
    The pandering (I kinda hate what "fanservice" implies) is really inexcusable. Honestly all the female costume design in that game is fucked, save for like, the priestesses and a handful of the dresspheres.

    You're right about Rikku's motivations, I had forgotten that aspect. The tack the writers take by bringing in a huge threat is disappointing, but it does provide a fair few avenues for fleshing Yuna out, and ultimately leads to some really great exchanges where she works through some stuff she'd previously left unsaid.

    I suppose it is really a matter of how much weight you place on the things the game gets right versus the things it gets wrong.

    Also it's legal to marry your cousin in parts of Japan but it's considered pretty weird, so that's Brother explained, I guess? He's the worst.

    Marrying a cousin is legal in lots of parts of the world. Afaik it's not really that big of a deal genetically unless the family, y'know, keeps doing it every generation.

    Some cultures think it's super gross and some cultures don't think it's a big deal at all. Just one of those things.

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  • BrainleechBrainleech 機知に富んだコメントはここにあります Registered User regular
    -SPI- wrote: »
    Played Fantasy Life for a little bit, seems fun so far. There are so many things to level up. It's like if you took the Call of Duty bar filling and put it into animal crossing. I levelled up my guy, and his stats, and his life(job) and the specific parts of the job (for example with the tailor I started at I now have level 2 garment making, which is seperate from cloth making or hat making). Plus individual skill levels with specific recipes ( I levelled my dandelion cloth skill up so I can make multiples or automate the crafting. And then overall skills like running, I levelled up my running going back and forth to the shop. So many bars to fill. All the bars all the time.

    My problem I forsee is I am trying to get my brother interested in this and Monster hunter

    He finds Theatrhythm weird like why would you mash a RPG and rhythm game?
    He found the set up of Monster Hunter took forever and then complained how they turn you loose into the wild really questionable
    I told him the neat thing about MH4 and Fantasy Life is they both have Multiplayer! and it seems stable?

  • ShenShen Registered User regular
    Yeah I remember being surprised when I came across it in a manga but no one seemed particularly bothered except for the fact that the cousin was a creeper.

    Also how have I never realised that one of my fave manga authors is called Mitsuru Adachi? Persona 5 to heavily feature baseball confirmed.

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  • AistanAistan Tiny Bat Registered User regular
    I wasn't a fan of FF13-2 because neither of the two leads were that interesting and I didn't like the monster stuff. The combat also felt like a big step away from what I enjoyed in FF13.

  • turtleantturtleant Gunpla Dad is the best.Registered User regular
    My biggest complaint with 13-2 was that eventually your monsters were WAY better at their role than Sara or Noel could ever be.

    I remember getting a big yellow mech that did 3x as much damage as a commando as Noel could, and I had maxed commando out on Noel.

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  • AdusAdus Registered User regular
    honestly i felt noel had a way more coherent and likable story than just about anyone in 13. granted it's a pretty low bar, but at least he kind of had a character.

    serah sucks, though.

  • DesmondPfeifferDesmondPfeiffer The secret diary of- Registered User regular
    The Punic wars

    Really

    I suppose every other more mainstream European time period/war has been used by japan in some form of media already.

    Where is anime Julius Caesar. Not in this game, it being in the Punic Wars, but I just want to see an anime Julius Caesar.
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    I wouldn't recommend watching the show.

  • Zen VulgarityZen Vulgarity What a lovely day for tea Secret British ThreadRegistered User regular
    hello macha


    how you doing

  • SyphyreSyphyre A Dangerous Pastime Registered User regular
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    -Tal wrote: »
    Has there ever been a direct sequel to a story intended to be standalone that was good

    BttF 2, and to a greater extent 3?

    Diehard 3.

  • DidgeridooDidgeridoo Flighty Dame Registered User regular
    edited September 2014
    Speaking of fun, or the lack thereof, I'm playing Mario Kart 8 right now

    It is the first Mario Kart I've played since...64, I believe

    I've never had fun with this series in the past, and I'm not having fun with it now, exactly, maybe? I'm not sure

    It's boring me right now, I'm getting first in every race so far without even really trying or being good at these games (like I said, haven't played in well over a decade)

    And yet I keep playing

    Probably because it looks so pretty and I just want to see all the courses

    ....Grand Prix, I think?

    The main one, cups with four courses

    Ah, well see there's you're problem right there. Grand Prix is designed to be winnable by most skill levels, so you can unlock all the characters and tracks. If you're looking for a challenge, race against actual people. 8 actually has a pretty good random matchup system, so you can just go into the online single player and get a pretty good race out of the people who happen to be playing at the time.

    G&T also has a fun tournament that meets every Sunday (check for the Mario Kart thread). The competition is fucking STIFF though. I thought I was a bit of a hotshot, placing first in all the computer battles, but I'm struggling to place in the top 6 each race. Sometimes I get knocked to the bottom of the pack.

    Didgeridoo on
  • No Great NameNo Great Name FRAUD DETECTED Registered User regular
    edited September 2014
    Yeah I get my ass kicked sunday nights and I love it

    Mk8 is the bees knees

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  • KwoaruKwoaru Confident Smirk Flawless Golden PecsRegistered User regular
    Mario Kart grand prix is only vaguely challenging on 150CC and 150 mirror

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  • Raijin QuickfootRaijin Quickfoot I'm your Huckleberry YOU'RE NO DAISYRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    I need a new JRPG now.

  • PeasPeas Registered User regular
    edited September 2014
    I think a new atelier/tonelico game just came out

    I am not sure what i am talking about

    Peas on
  • AnzekayAnzekay Registered User regular
    I need a new JRPG now.

    Trails in the Sky.

  • SyphyreSyphyre A Dangerous Pastime Registered User regular
    I need a new JRPG now.

    Atelier games.

  • Cilla BlackCilla Black Priscilla!!! Registered User regular
    Both Trails and Atelier games are good recommendations

    The Ateliers have some off-putting stuff though. Trails is really kinda nothing but great dialogue and good characters, by and large.

  • ChincymcchillaChincymcchilla Registered User regular
    Are the ateliers on ps3

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  • DiarmuidDiarmuid Amazing Meatball Registered User regular
    Are the ateliers on ps3
    Three on the PS3, two on the Vita from looking at the PSN.

  • cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Regent Bears The Name FreedomRegistered User regular
    I approve of this thread.

    (But Rasputin is also in Devil Summoner 3, and equally fabulous if not more so.)

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  • cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Regent Bears The Name FreedomRegistered User regular
    -Tal wrote: »
    Has there ever been a direct sequel to a story intended to be standalone that was good

    Persona 2 and Shadow Hearts 2 both apply.
    You really, REALLY need to play SH1 to fully appreciate 2, but 2 is the better game.

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  • Raijin QuickfootRaijin Quickfoot I'm your Huckleberry YOU'RE NO DAISYRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    I've played 2 of the Atelier games.

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