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Vaccination:Clark County Washington, Failing the rest of the state Since Inception
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Yeah. It's child abuse, plain and simple. Anti-vax people are literal baby killers, and they should be given exactly as much respect as anyone else who kills kids by willfully endangering them, which is to say, less than almost all other criminals.
Using actual soldiers to do door to door vaccination "raids," where necessary, to eradicate smallpox is one of the most successful and morally justified undertakings in the entire history of the homo genus. Measles is less serious, but I'm still all for it.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure you lose your right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness when you turn your children into public health hazards and are essentially willfully killing other people via your own incompetence.
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Oh! Then yes!
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
The real question is whether the Placebo group is more efficacious in controlled studies than the Kate Bush group.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
There are a LOT of problems in the medical industry, from manufacturers buying off politicians and doctors to help push their product, to really stupid mistakes like doing all testing on a narrow population. Some people do have adverse reactions to things that the vast, vast majority of the population does not, and it's worthwhile to do some research to predict who might be thus affected.
"Let's do more tests" is just so much more helpful than "Let's come to a conclusion and defend it forever." Funding additional studies would be so much more helpful than turning Disney into a biohazard.
Then again we let people refuse any and all medical treatment they don't want, even if they might die. And arguably euthanasia should be allowed.
Clearly that something might be dangerous is not the sole reason for deciding whether or not to force someone to get health care.
It is indeed every bit as effective as any other placebo.
Someone's chronic case of old age isn't going to infect and kill a newborn, and unless they're a Tasmanian devil their cancer isn't going to spread either*. Not vaccinating your kids, as others have pointed out, isn't about personal choice. It's about societal good. A parent who says "I won't vaccinate my kids" is also implicitly saying, "I have the right to murder other people's children too. Your baby was just born and is too young to get vaccinated? Your child would have had a deadly allergic reaction? Too fucking bad. I have the right to kill that kid." A lot of the preventable deaths have been exactly that - babies whose parents likely would have gotten them vaccinated, had they actually been able to live that long, if someone else hadn't been supremely selfish.
* And when you get down to it, if a kid has cancer and the parents won't treat it because durpaderp, society usually goes "to hell with your religious exemption" and makes the kid get treatment. Yet we won't do this when whatever potentially fatal thing the kid gets can spread to other people's kids as well.
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CPS needs to be removing those children from their abusive homes.
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It'd be problematic/impossible to prove, I think.
The second kind have done a ruthless and intensely selfish calculation where they look at the complications of vaccinations (which is a number that is not zero) and herd immunity and then say "If everyone else gets vaccines for their kids then I don't need to, I can get the benefit without the complication risk".
And their math would be correct if only for the fact that they aren't accounting for the fact that there are just too many selfish assholes like them to keep herd immunity intact.
It's unsurprising that so many anti-vaxxers are not uneducated poors. These are the selfish ones, not the paranoids.
The only solution is to take their precious freedom to choose away, or wait until things get bad enough and herd immunity tanks and they are forced to adjust their equation. In order for the latter to happen, things will have long since passed "dire" for the actual at-risk "can't get vaccines for various reasons" group.
If I have time I will dig out the study that showed that sham acupuncture was more effective than actual acupuncture for pain relief when structured so that the sham acupuncture was delivered with a whole pile of mystic mumbo-jumbo and the actual acupuncture was delivered in a detached clinical manner.
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I think religious exemptions are bullshit, but there will ALWAYS have to be medical exemptions. My toddler is anaphylactic to eggs and cannot be given the flu vaccine because of it(she gets all her other vaccines). But some kids are allergic to other ingredients in vaccines and simply can't be given them, not just the flu vaccine but the other scheduled ones. So you can't just say "no exemptions."
Hey, a collective action problem, the sort we use government regulation to counter!
They actually have flu vaccines without eggs now. But yes allergy is a valid reason for your kid not being immunized, and all the more reason kids without allergy should get immunized to protect those who can't.
What is sad is that both side of the aisle like to blame the other for the anti vaxxers but this is one of those universal idiocy's from the fringe of both. They come at it from different directions but they both arrive at the same dumb place.
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Yet we don't let Ebola patients wander around downtown either. There is obviously a line even if where it is exactly isn't clear.
Edit: As well one component of allowed self harm is recognized adulthood.
I agree. I'm just pointing out that this isn't as simple an issue as some people are making it out to be.
As far as I know they don't have an egg free flu vaccine that can be given to a child as young as my daughter. I think there's an inhaled vaccine but it's only for age 18+ or something like that. If there's an egg free option for my 20 month old my pediatrician didn't know about it.
This issue hits close to me because my sister is a dipshit anti-vaxxer, and now my 2 nieces and my nephew don't get what they need. For a while every time she posted some dumb shit about a girl in Wisconsin dying after getting the HPV vaccine I'd remind her of the thousands of women per year who die of cervical cancer, and tell her hopefully one of my nieces isn't in that statistic later in life because of her terrible decisions. I barely speak to my sister any more because she pisses me off so much with this stuff.
So as a parent would you keep your children away from a parent who doesn't vaxx? I would figure as painful as it would be for your kid you'd have to, maybe explain it to the kid why and hope they don't ignore you because they are children?
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The placebo effect is insane. If it wasn't so well documented you'd think it was utter fiction. It's harder to believe sometimes than the anti-vax argument and is actually real.
I absolutely believe that uterine blood flow could increase entirely due to the placebo effect.
It's madness.
However parents have been prosecuted for withholding necessary medical care. (See: faith healing communities not taking kids to doctor for infections, etc)
And the best part the idiots not vaccinating actually have money and the ones they harm are most likely going to be poor people. That's a win win law suit!
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Now that is awful. But doesn't point to a properly dosed vaccine being harmful. It obviously points to negligence and incompetance in their care provider. But things like that get used to push the movement as well. Ugh
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I've heard more than a couple "oh the baby was just different after their vaccine" stories
One from someone with autistic kids in their family.
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They don't know what causes autism, but they sure as fuck have no proof its vaccines.
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Its because they'd rather have a dead child then one they have to take care of for the rest of their life, without remembering that not all diseases kill you. Hello polio or scarlet fever!
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