with the whole Ganondorf thing, I'm just kind of annoyed that people are taking the one main character who isn't vaguely generically Caucasian and/or Japanese and casting a white guy in his place
like, the consistent thing between his depictions is that he's a tall, dark, red-haired man
the first and third can be fixed with clever camera angles and makeup, but if you have the chance for some diversity in your casting why not take it?
Well, the thing is, people aren't necessarily picking white actors over colored ones, just actors that they think would play him well, who happen to be Caucasian. I mean, saying "this character is dark skinned, we need a dark skinned actor to play him" is problematic in its own way, especially when he's not specifically linked to a real-world ethnicity in the first place.
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I kinda wish it were animated, the image at the top of the article looks so great
a big problem-- Link only rarely fights humans. How are you going to portray Lizalfos and Poes and bosses? Not everyone can be Ganon and Ghirahim and Twinrova
What's he gonna do, kill Gerudo warriors with his sword? Not on board
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For a Zelda live action show I'd like them to do something that wouldn't be fun if it were done in a video game. Something like Link being a middle aged man serving under Queen Zelda and training his replacements. There'd be negotiations with other kingdoms for whatever reason, with Ganon(dorf) being the driving force of one or all of the other kingdoms' ridiculous demands. Less action, more story, including backstory on Link saving the day as a teen being why he's so trusted by Zelda in the present.
with the whole Ganondorf thing, I'm just kind of annoyed that people are taking the one main character who isn't vaguely generically Caucasian and/or Japanese and casting a white guy in his place
like, the consistent thing between his depictions is that he's a tall, dark, red-haired man
the first and third can be fixed with clever camera angles and makeup, but if you have the chance for some diversity in your casting why not take it?
Well, the thing is, people aren't necessarily picking white actors over colored ones, just actors that they think would play him well, who happen to be Caucasian. I mean, saying "this character is dark skinned, we need a dark skinned actor to play him" is problematic in its own way, especially when he's not specifically linked to a real-world ethnicity in the first place.
it's less "this character is dark skinned, we need a dark skinned actor play him" and more "media is severely lacking in dark-skinned characters which sucks both just as a general thing and especially for dark-skinned actors, so take every opportunity you can to cast dark-skinned people and maybe even fudge things to throw in more dark-skinned actors because it doesn't actually matter"
and the gerudo are a pretty thinly veiled (and sorta racist) analogue to middle eastern people
a culture that lives in a far-off desert that worships a different religion
the blocks in the spirit temple even had the Islamic star and crescent moon symbol originally until muslims complained and Nintendo removed it (along with the chanting in the fire temple)
Several versions of Ocarina of Time were produced, with later revisions featuring minor changes such as glitch repairs, the recoloring of Ganondorf's blood from crimson to green, and the alteration of the music heard in the Fire Temple dungeon to remove a sample of an Islamic prayer chant.[33][68] The sample was taken from a commercially available sound library, but the developers did not realise it contained Islamic references. Although popularly believed to have been changed due to public outcry, the chanting was in fact removed after the company discovered it violated their own policy to avoid religious material in games,[68] and the altered versions of Ocarina of Time were made prior to the game's original release
i think i was getting it mixed up with LittleBigPlanet, which had a similar thing and was actually recalled so that copies with the song containing koran verses didn't get out
Changing Ganondorf's blood to puke in that sequence is still kind of a dumb change
Like, he coughs up blood. It's a good, short indicator of how badly you just beat his ass.
And, in order to be less gross
You actually have him vomit all over the place
i always just took it to mean he has green mutant magic blood, not that he was vomitting
Are you suggesting that the change in his skin tone is actually due to a change in the color of his blood
Would htat
Huh
Does that make sense?
twinrova and ganondorf are the only ones with that weird sickly green skintone, the rest of the gerudo are just sort of generically middle-eastern looking
so yeah new headcanon there is a special form of taboo gerudo dark magic that turns your blood and skin green when you are a practictioner of it and ganondorf learned how to use it from koume and kotake, the women who raised him
where are people getting this green skin idea from, I never noticed him having green skin in ocarina of time
Part of it is probably down the lighting of the arena where you fight him in the N64 version, but his skintone is still noticeably different - in the short bit where you can see him before he transforms into Ganon, he's definitely less olive-skinned and more olive-skinned
They ended up running with it more in his subsequent appearances; in Wind Waker his skin tone was definitely brown with a green twinge to it, and in Twilight Princess they just went full muddy green from the get go
This image from what I think is OoT3D has a less green skin tone, but it's still pretty different from the rest of the Gerudo (less orange, for starters):
Sorry guys I already having the casting decisions.
You know how we signed Adam Sandler to do movies? Turns out he wants to branch out into video game tv shows too.
His emmy winning role as Tingle will move you yo years.
After the mario movie disater I assume a Nintendo is basically living at the netflix production office with a stick that says nope
I expect zero famous peeps casting the perfect actors is gonna be nintendos top pirority not basic cable name recognition.
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The official art isn't very representative - Kotake and Koume are brown-skinned, not green-skinned - but yeah he had a tint to him before, probably the mark of his magic
It's just
After the Triforce of Power it got way more pronounced
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Well, the thing is, people aren't necessarily picking white actors over colored ones, just actors that they think would play him well, who happen to be Caucasian. I mean, saying "this character is dark skinned, we need a dark skinned actor to play him" is problematic in its own way, especially when he's not specifically linked to a real-world ethnicity in the first place.
a big problem-- Link only rarely fights humans. How are you going to portray Lizalfos and Poes and bosses? Not everyone can be Ganon and Ghirahim and Twinrova
What's he gonna do, kill Gerudo warriors with his sword? Not on board
If ever there were a time to use a gender-neutral pronoun, this is it.
it's less "this character is dark skinned, we need a dark skinned actor play him" and more "media is severely lacking in dark-skinned characters which sucks both just as a general thing and especially for dark-skinned actors, so take every opportunity you can to cast dark-skinned people and maybe even fudge things to throw in more dark-skinned actors because it doesn't actually matter"
and the gerudo are a pretty thinly veiled (and sorta racist) analogue to middle eastern people
a culture that lives in a far-off desert that worships a different religion
the blocks in the spirit temple even had the Islamic star and crescent moon symbol originally until muslims complained and Nintendo removed it (along with the chanting in the fire temple)
http://www.audioentropy.com/
iirc it was verses from the koran
which is considered taboo by many muslims for the same reason depictions of muhammed are
http://www.audioentropy.com/
i think i was getting it mixed up with LittleBigPlanet, which had a similar thing and was actually recalled so that copies with the song containing koran verses didn't get out
http://www.audioentropy.com/
Like, he coughs up blood. It's a good, short indicator of how badly you just beat his ass.
And, in order to be less gross
You actually have him vomit all over the place
you can't have blood in a children's game!
i always just took it to mean he has green mutant magic blood, not that he was vomitting
http://www.audioentropy.com/
Are you suggesting that the change in his skin tone is actually due to a change in the color of his blood
Would htat
Huh
Does that make sense?
http://www.wsj.com/articles/BL-SEB-86552
it's sort of crazy how many iconic riffs in zelda songs are just distorted versions of stock sound samples
and in some cases they're not even really distorted!
http://www.audioentropy.com/
twinrova and ganondorf are the only ones with that weird sickly green skintone, the rest of the gerudo are just sort of generically middle-eastern looking
so yeah new headcanon there is a special form of taboo gerudo dark magic that turns your blood and skin green when you are a practictioner of it and ganondorf learned how to use it from koume and kotake, the women who raised him
http://www.audioentropy.com/
Power apparently changed him a very great deal
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not his skin tone
the lighting is weird and green in that area
links skin also looks different
Part of it is probably down the lighting of the arena where you fight him in the N64 version, but his skintone is still noticeably different - in the short bit where you can see him before he transforms into Ganon, he's definitely less olive-skinned and more olive-skinned
They ended up running with it more in his subsequent appearances; in Wind Waker his skin tone was definitely brown with a green twinge to it, and in Twilight Princess they just went full muddy green from the get go
Compare that to the rest of the Gerudo:
This image from what I think is OoT3D has a less green skin tone, but it's still pretty different from the rest of the Gerudo (less orange, for starters):
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His emmy winning role as Tingle will move you yo years.
After the mario movie disater I assume a Nintendo is basically living at the netflix production office with a stick that says nope
I expect zero famous peeps casting the perfect actors is gonna be nintendos top pirority not basic cable name recognition.
http://www.audioentropy.com/
they're even greener than ganondorf
http://www.audioentropy.com/
It's just
After the Triforce of Power it got way more pronounced
that shot at the end is in a bright whit void so it's going to make colors seem brighter
http://www.audioentropy.com/
Really hard to find in-game shots of them in anything approaching neutral lighting
And that's all I've got to say on the subject I guess
I can accept the idea that he was vomiting up green blood instead of just bile
It still looks dumb though
http://www.audioentropy.com/
Shit like that is how we get Gnarly surfer Jake Gyllenhal as prince of persia