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well he might have a heart attack from the stress of it all but - he doesn't have a real illness, you know
He has a real illness. It's just a mental illness instead of a physical one.
You know what I mean.
Sorry, I do.
Anyone else bothered by the number of people who have held it against Chuck that Jimmy has been helping him for the past year because of his illness?
I mean, that's what strong or healthy families do when someone gets sick, whether it's physical or mental. It's really bothered me. What Chuck has been doing to Jimmy is awful, but it'd be just as awful even if Chuck had never gotten sick. Real families (whether through blood or through friendship) stick together and help each other through that shit.
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well he might have a heart attack from the stress of it all but - he doesn't have a real illness, you know
He has a real illness. It's just a mental illness instead of a physical one.
You know what I mean.
Sorry, I do.
Anyone else bothered by the number of people who have held it against Chuck that Jimmy has been helping him for the past year because of his illness?
I mean, that's what strong or healthy families do when someone gets sick, whether it's physical or mental. It's really bothered me. What Chuck has been doing to Jimmy is awful, but it'd be just as awful even if Chuck had never gotten sick. Real families (whether through blood or through friendship) stick together and help each other through that shit.
Yeah, I'll hold it against Chuck that he's being way too exacting to the poor guy who's taken over for Jimmy, considering just how much effort they're going through for him already, but Jimmy was totally helping Chuck because he cares about him, not because Chuck was making him. Heck, even though Chuck hurt him, badly, he still cares for him as a brother, as evidenced by how insistent Jimmy was that someone still do all that stuff for him, even if he can't stomach doing it himself. Family ties are weird like that, how you can hold two almost polar opposite feelings towards a person at the same time.
Also, to clarify from my previous post, I don't mean to imply that Jimmy no longer helping Chuck personally is a knock against him or anything like that. Actually, the fact that he made sure Chuck would be taken care of after finding out how big of an asshole his brother had been is one of those "god damn is Jimmy the best person ever" type things.
They seem very close and they've alluded to some sort of romantic history
You don't call just a buddy for phone sex
At least I sure don't
it doesn't seem like he met Kim until after coming to work in the mail room
Otherwise that would mean that Jimmy's wife left him, he shit in a guy's car, got out of jail and moved to Albuquerque, to get a job where... His ex wife was working?
Like jimmy points out, the severity of his condition seems to be entirely tied to how much he disapproves of jimmy at any given moment, far more than how much electricity he perceives
Like jimmy points out, the severity of his condition seems to be entirely tied to how much he disapproves of jimmy at any given moment, far more than how much electricity he perceives
I just can't hold that against Chuck. I have a very hard time holding a mental illness against someone. With what the trigger for him is, I wouldn't be surprised if it's some form of severe anxiety disorder.
Jimmy talks about how calling Howard must have felt like holding a blowtorch up to his ear, and was amazed that he'd undergo that pain just to keep him down
But we saw him make that call
And yeah ok he was wearing the space blanket over his head
With all the shots of Chuck's gas stove peppered through the season, and the whole grounding yourself thing, I kept expecting a spark to go off and blow up his house. Because that's the kind of thing a Breaking Bad season might end on.
And now I'm thinking maybe they put that stuff in as a red herring.
Like jimmy points out, the severity of his condition seems to be entirely tied to how much he disapproves of jimmy at any given moment, far more than how much electricity he perceives
I just can't hold that against Chuck. I have a very hard time holding a mental illness against someone. With what the trigger for him is, I wouldn't be surprised if it's some form of severe anxiety disorder.
My dad has brain damage and requires constant care
And he is not above sometimes using his condition to excuse bullshit behavior
He was so mad that Obama got reelected in 2012 that he didn't talk for a month straight and was completely happy to let us think that his brain damage had progressed and destroyed his ability to speak
My dad has very real medical problems and needs taken care of but that doesn't excuse that sort of behavior
Just like whatever psychosomatic reaction to electricity that chuck has doesn't excuse the way he uses it to shame and manipulate jimmy
And frankly at this point I have a feeling that his condition arose "coincidentally" right around the time jimmy officially opened up his legal practice
With all the shots of Chuck's gas stove peppered through the season, and the whole grounding yourself thing, I kept expecting a spark to go off and blow up his house. Because that's the kind of thing a Breaking Bad season might end on.
And now I'm thinking maybe they put that stuff in as a red herring.
I think it worked as misdirection, but also to add legitimacy to the suggestion of having Chuck committed. Really helped emphasize the danger his behavior poses to himself and his neighborhood.
I've gotten so engrossed in this show that when there were about two minutes left, I'd decided to pretend Breaking Bad never happened. Even though I know how it ends, in my headcanon, Jimmy would join the new law firm, marry Kim, become partner some day and lead a happy and fulfilling life as a successful lawyer. A life he could stuff in Chuck's face.
I mean, come on, it's hard not to root for Jimmy. He is was such a good guy! He refused to hate his brother. He didn't think the world owes him any thing. He didn't try to get revenge. He took a break to vent (granted, that venting involved ripping people off), but he was about to return, put his head down and get back to work. He's a con man but he's the anti-Walter White!
Which is what makes the ending so interesting. I was afraid something was going to happen to Jimmy, but he's the one who ends up picking that life. Which is such a Breaking-Bad-character thing to do. Everything those characters went through on that show was of their own making. They all chose that life, including Skyler and Jesse. They got obvious chances to walk away and they chose not to take it. So Jimmy choosing to not be the guy who does the right thing, not as a middle finger to his brother, not as an emotional reaction, but after some calm introspection, is just so very appropriate as a character in that world.
Other things:
Jimmy has an ex-wife! We didn't know that yet, did we?
That montage of them hustling people was surreal enough that it could have been a Mr. Show bit.
Just for fun, if Jimmy didn't turn back, went to that interview and became a good-guy lawyer:
He never meets Gus Fring
He doesn't meet Walter White
He doesn't introduce Walter to Gus or Mike
In all probability, Walter doesn't kill Mike
On the other hand, Jesse probably ends up dead before too long, and maybe Walter does, too.
Hank probably gets to live, though.
Also maybe those planes don't crash into each other.
Like jimmy points out, the severity of his condition seems to be entirely tied to how much he disapproves of jimmy at any given moment, far more than how much electricity he perceives
I just can't hold that against Chuck. I have a very hard time holding a mental illness against someone. With what the trigger for him is, I wouldn't be surprised if it's some form of severe anxiety disorder.
My dad has brain damage and requires care
And he is not above sometimes using his condition to excuse bullshit behavior
He was so mad that Obama got reelected in 2012 that he didn't talk for a month straight and was completely happy to let us think that his brain damage had progressed and destroyed his ability to speak
My dad has very real medical problems and needs taken care of but that doesn't excuse that sort of behavior
Just like whatever psychosomatic reaction to electricity that chuck has doesn't excuse the way he uses it to shame and manipulate jimmy
And frankly at this point I have a feeling that his condition arose "coincidentally" right around the time jimmy officially opened up his legal practice
There has been nothing on the show that makes me think Chuck's symptoms are being faked or exaggerated by Chuck on a conscious level.
Like, it's pretty much stated by Jimmy that the symptoms worsen whenever Jimmy isn't doing well or is up to trouble, but as far as we've seen with Chuck, he absolutely experiences those symptoms.
There hasn't been a time where Chuck acts like he's having issues and it's shown that he's not.
He's an absolute dickbag, and his condition seems to be caused by that. But his condition isn't that, or at least shown to be that.
Like jimmy points out, the severity of his condition seems to be entirely tied to how much he disapproves of jimmy at any given moment, far more than how much electricity he perceives
I just can't hold that against Chuck. I have a very hard time holding a mental illness against someone. With what the trigger for him is, I wouldn't be surprised if it's some form of severe anxiety disorder.
My dad has brain damage and requires care
And he is not above sometimes using his condition to excuse bullshit behavior
He was so mad that Obama got reelected in 2012 that he didn't talk for a month straight and was completely happy to let us think that his brain damage had progressed and destroyed his ability to speak
My dad has very real medical problems and needs taken care of but that doesn't excuse that sort of behavior
Just like whatever psychosomatic reaction to electricity that chuck has doesn't excuse the way he uses it to shame and manipulate jimmy
And frankly at this point I have a feeling that his condition arose "coincidentally" right around the time jimmy officially opened up his legal practice
There has been nothing on the show that makes me think Chuck's symptoms are being faked or exaggerated by Chuck on a conscious level.
Like, it's pretty much stated by Jimmy that the symptoms worsen whenever Jimmy isn't doing well or is up to trouble, but as far as we've seen with Chuck, he absolutely experiences those symptoms.
There hasn't been a time where Chuck acts like he's having issues and it's shown that he's not.
He's an absolute dickbag, and his condition seems to be caused by that. But his condition isn't that, or at least shown to be that.
To wit: The lengths he went to to get that paper happened when no one was around. There was no reason for him to agonize like that if he didn't genuinely believe in his symptoms. Also that genuine shock when he realized he had walked outside of his own volition when getting the paperwork out of Jimmy's car. The problem is certainly psychosomatic, but it's not a conscious choice.
It's not a conscious choice, but it does seem like it's largely if not entirely a manifestation of his contempt for his brother, which is why I said i don't have much sympathy for him
eh the world isn't really drawn into "totally responsible for making conscious choices to be a fuckwit" and "completely ruled by mental illness and therefore totally unculpable"
refusing to analyze why you suddenly have a brain problem that requires constant care and sacrifice from your family member coincidentally right as they might become successful isn't necessarily a conscious choice to be a fucker, but it dances on the line
It's not a conscious choice, but it does seem like it's largely if not entirely a manifestation of his contempt for his brother, which is why I said i don't have much sympathy for him
Hey man, we all have hang-ups. Regardless of inciting source, it seems unfair to hold someone's unconscious mental issues against them. Judge people on the actions they choose to make, not the ones outside their control. It would be a lot more fair to judge him for refusing to see a shrink about it, considering no medical doctor was able to verify anything. That's a conscious decision.
If you hate your brother, who idolizes you and would do anything for you, so much that you literally become ill over the idea that he might become successful in the same field as you
Even little tangential ones, like focusing on the dented trashcan, or him singing in the car at the end. Not to mention the bigger ones, like Belize, or KC.
If you hate your brother, who idolizes you and would do anything for you, so much that you literally become ill over the idea that he might become successful in the same field as you
Then yeah no I feel pretty okay passing judgment
Okay when you put it that way, I can totally see your point.
Also, still puzzled by Michael Mando being in the main cast. This has NOT been the Nacho show.
Apparently he was intended to have a bigger role, but they realised some way into making the season that Jimmy needed a longer burn before the transmogrification to Saul, so his story got put on the backburner for now.
On the Better Call Saul Insider podcast they stated that (episode 9 spoilers)
they'd plotted out the entire season before Michael McKean got the part of Chuck, and when they realized how damn prideful McKean played the part, they rewrote the season so that Chuck would turn out to be the villain.
Television is moving train! Something How I Met Your Mother never learned
If you hate your brother, who idolizes you and would do anything for you, so much that you literally become ill over the idea that he might become successful in the same field as you
Then yeah no I feel pretty okay passing judgment
I don't think he became mentally ill as a direct result of saul being successful, certainly exacerbates the problem which is cos he's a prideful dick but these things usually aren't that clear cut.
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well he might have a heart attack from the stress of it all but - he doesn't have a real illness, you know
He has a real illness. It's just a mental illness instead of a physical one.
Yes, point, but you know what I mean.
Sorry, I do.
Anyone else bothered by the number of people who have held it against Chuck that Jimmy has been helping him for the past year because of his illness?
Yeah, I'll hold it against Chuck that he's being way too exacting to the poor guy who's taken over for Jimmy, considering just how much effort they're going through for him already, but Jimmy was totally helping Chuck because he cares about him, not because Chuck was making him. Heck, even though Chuck hurt him, badly, he still cares for him as a brother, as evidenced by how insistent Jimmy was that someone still do all that stuff for him, even if he can't stomach doing it himself. Family ties are weird like that, how you can hold two almost polar opposite feelings towards a person at the same time.
They seem very close and they've alluded to some sort of romantic history
You don't call just a buddy for phone sex
At least I sure don't
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Pretty sure that one was 'sleep with me, I'm Kevin Costner.'
Otherwise that would mean that Jimmy's wife left him, he shit in a guy's car, got out of jail and moved to Albuquerque, to get a job where... His ex wife was working?
http://www.audioentropy.com/
Very little sympathy for chuck's condition
http://www.audioentropy.com/
I just can't hold that against Chuck. I have a very hard time holding a mental illness against someone. With what the trigger for him is, I wouldn't be surprised if it's some form of severe anxiety disorder.
But we saw him make that call
And yeah ok he was wearing the space blanket over his head
But he was fucking fine
http://www.audioentropy.com/
And now I'm thinking maybe they put that stuff in as a red herring.
My dad has brain damage and requires constant care
And he is not above sometimes using his condition to excuse bullshit behavior
He was so mad that Obama got reelected in 2012 that he didn't talk for a month straight and was completely happy to let us think that his brain damage had progressed and destroyed his ability to speak
My dad has very real medical problems and needs taken care of but that doesn't excuse that sort of behavior
Just like whatever psychosomatic reaction to electricity that chuck has doesn't excuse the way he uses it to shame and manipulate jimmy
http://www.audioentropy.com/
He never meets Gus Fring
He doesn't meet Walter White
He doesn't introduce Walter to Gus or Mike
In all probability, Walter doesn't kill Mike
On the other hand, Jesse probably ends up dead before too long, and maybe Walter does, too.
Hank probably gets to live, though.
Also maybe those planes don't crash into each other.
Like, it's pretty much stated by Jimmy that the symptoms worsen whenever Jimmy isn't doing well or is up to trouble, but as far as we've seen with Chuck, he absolutely experiences those symptoms.
There hasn't been a time where Chuck acts like he's having issues and it's shown that he's not.
He's an absolute dickbag, and his condition seems to be caused by that. But his condition isn't that, or at least shown to be that.
Oh my god that's amazing this show is genius.
http://www.audioentropy.com/
It's definitely going to become that
Nacho's first name is Ignacio
You want another callback?
They take off his blindfold and show him a dug grave and point a gun in his face
Saul's immediate response?
"It wasn't me, it was Ignacio! He's the one!"
He then starts speaking Spanish and asking if they're Cartel
refusing to analyze why you suddenly have a brain problem that requires constant care and sacrifice from your family member coincidentally right as they might become successful isn't necessarily a conscious choice to be a fucker, but it dances on the line
He's not like walt, he's not actively trying to do business with some of the most dangerous people in the state
http://www.audioentropy.com/
Hey man, we all have hang-ups. Regardless of inciting source, it seems unfair to hold someone's unconscious mental issues against them. Judge people on the actions they choose to make, not the ones outside their control. It would be a lot more fair to judge him for refusing to see a shrink about it, considering no medical doctor was able to verify anything. That's a conscious decision.
Then yeah no I feel pretty okay passing judgment
http://www.audioentropy.com/
I like it.
Okay when you put it that way, I can totally see your point.
Apparently he was intended to have a bigger role, but they realised some way into making the season that Jimmy needed a longer burn before the transmogrification to Saul, so his story got put on the backburner for now.
Television is moving train! Something How I Met Your Mother never learned