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Dragon Ball Super Trunks and Trunks from Xenoverse are different people entirely, right? Another divergent timeline and such?
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Is Super Trunks the same as Cell Saga Future Trunks? Because that's who Time Patrol Trunks also is.
I am pretty sure he is supposed to be but his hair is a different color than the Trunks from the Trunks in the Cell Saga and the Xenoverse Trunks.
I think it might be another timeline that up to a certain point was exactly the same. Shit is weird.
Big spoiler for Super.
This is why I hate time travel. Zamasu went into Goku's body in a timeline where Goku did not die from the heart disease and kills Goten and Chichi but ends up in the same universe where Gohan and everyone else is dead from the androids? Or did Zamasu wipe out everyone in the world in that timeline and presumably the universe because that is his goal and then move onto another universe for some reason and ended up in future Trunks timeline? It was a fun arc to watch but for real, fuck time travel.
And as far as DBS future Trunks is involved, my friend's theory is that he is the legendary Saiyan of that timeline/universe which is why he keeps growing exponentially in power.
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What is the point of being alive if you don't at least try to do something remarkable? ~ Mario Novak
I never fear death or dyin', I only fear never trying.
Is Super Trunks the same as Cell Saga Future Trunks? Because that's who Time Patrol Trunks also is.
I am pretty sure he is supposed to be but his hair is a different color than the Trunks from the Trunks in the Cell Saga and the Xenoverse Trunks.
I think it might be another timeline that up to a certain point was exactly the same. Shit is weird.
Big spoiler for Super.
This is why I hate time travel. Zamasu went into Goku's body in a timeline where Goku did not die from the heart disease and kills Goten and Chichi but ends up in the same universe where Gohan and everyone else is dead from the androids? Or did Zamasu wipe out everyone in the world in that timeline and presumably the universe because that is his goal and then move onto another universe for some reason and ended up in future Trunks timeline? It was a fun arc to watch but for real, fuck time travel.
And as far as DBS future Trunks is involved, my friend's theory is that he is the legendary Saiyan of that timeline/universe which is why he keeps growing exponentially in power.
Zamasu specifically travels to Future Trunk's world/universe because of Future Trunk's taboo on using time travel.
Or at least that's the explanation that I've heard. I don't know or remember how well the show actually mentions that.
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Is Super Trunks the same as Cell Saga Future Trunks? Because that's who Time Patrol Trunks also is.
I am pretty sure he is supposed to be but his hair is a different color than the Trunks from the Trunks in the Cell Saga and the Xenoverse Trunks.
I think it might be another timeline that up to a certain point was exactly the same. Shit is weird.
Big spoiler for Super.
This is why I hate time travel. Zamasu went into Goku's body in a timeline where Goku did not die from the heart disease and kills Goten and Chichi but ends up in the same universe where Gohan and everyone else is dead from the androids? Or did Zamasu wipe out everyone in the world in that timeline and presumably the universe because that is his goal and then move onto another universe for some reason and ended up in future Trunks timeline? It was a fun arc to watch but for real, fuck time travel.
And as far as DBS future Trunks is involved, my friend's theory is that he is the legendary Saiyan of that timeline/universe which is why he keeps growing exponentially in power.
Zamasu specifically travels to Future Trunk's world/universe because of Future Trunk's taboo on using time travel.
Or at least that's the explanation that I've heard. I don't know or remember how well the show actually mentions that.
Isn't he popping around from universe to universe looking for one that happens to not have a god of destruction, and due to the Supreme Kai dying in Future Trunks timeline that is the one he decides to stick around on because Beerus would take him out in any of the other worlds
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Is Super Trunks the same as Cell Saga Future Trunks? Because that's who Time Patrol Trunks also is.
I am pretty sure he is supposed to be but his hair is a different color than the Trunks from the Trunks in the Cell Saga and the Xenoverse Trunks.
I think it might be another timeline that up to a certain point was exactly the same. Shit is weird.
Big spoiler for Super.
This is why I hate time travel. Zamasu went into Goku's body in a timeline where Goku did not die from the heart disease and kills Goten and Chichi but ends up in the same universe where Gohan and everyone else is dead from the androids? Or did Zamasu wipe out everyone in the world in that timeline and presumably the universe because that is his goal and then move onto another universe for some reason and ended up in future Trunks timeline? It was a fun arc to watch but for real, fuck time travel.
And as far as DBS future Trunks is involved, my friend's theory is that he is the legendary Saiyan of that timeline/universe which is why he keeps growing exponentially in power.
Zamasu specifically travels to Future Trunk's world/universe because of Future Trunk's taboo on using time travel.
Or at least that's the explanation that I've heard. I don't know or remember how well the show actually mentions that.
Isn't he popping around from universe to universe looking for one that happens to not have a god of destruction, and due to the Supreme Kai dying in Future Trunks timeline that is the one he decides to stick around on because Beerus would take him out in any of the other worlds
No, that was never a thing. He literally just wished to switch bodies with Goku and there is a Supreme Kai in future Trunks timeline. He said that the Supreme Kai was why he was able to stop Buu from being released.
I don't think they ever gave a reason why he is in the timeline that he is in. It honestly doesn't make any sense. If the DBS future Trunks remembers going back in time to save Goku from the heart disease and the Cell Games then it makes sense for this to be the same future Trunks but the hair color is what throws it off. It could be an accident, or maybe that is just what they want the hair color to be now, or it is a different Trunks entirely. But again, that means it is the same timeline where Goku is dead, Goten doesn't exist, and pretty much every other main/side character is dead.
I know Zamasu can travel forward in time and then back to the point that he left because of the ring but can he actively move to different timelines? And if so, why go to that one? He was already in a timeline where he took over Goku, killed his family and could have wiped out that planet. I guess it could be because Trunks traveled through time multiple times and he is bringing the godly justice down on him like Wolfman said but even then, what does it matter? Whole other timeline that might as well not exist since Zamasu was already immortal and in Goku's body.
I am either way over thinking this or I missed a fundamental part of the arc.
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There's an outline by Toriyama. The anime does one thing with that outline, and the manga does one thing with that outline, so details vary, and canon is dead.
But yes, Cell-Trunks becomes both Xenoverse-Trunks and Super-Trunks. The whole thing with Trunkses and hair-colours is just a fun "we remember purplehaired Bulma!" thing that exists as a nudge and a wink to the audience.
Fun fact, Dr. Brief has also at times shifted colours.
And the manga-excuse for that particular future being used for more content is
that Kaioshin got killed in the Dabura-fight, making it the only timeline without Beerus.
There's an outline by Toriyama. The anime does one thing with that outline, and the manga does one thing with that outline, so details vary, and canon is dead.
But yes, Cell-Trunks becomes both Xenoverse-Trunks and Super-Trunks. The whole thing with Trunkses and hair-colours is just a fun "we remember purplehaired Bulma!" thing that exists as a nudge and a wink to the audience.
And the manga-excuse for that particular future being used for more content is
that Kaioshin got killed in the Dabura-fight, making it the only timeline without Beerus.
I have only been reading the manga as I keep hearing the Super anime is pretty terrible.
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There's an outline by Toriyama. The anime does one thing with that outline, and the manga does one thing with that outline, so details vary, and canon is dead.
But yes, Cell-Trunks becomes both Xenoverse-Trunks and Super-Trunks. The whole thing with Trunkses and hair-colours is just a fun "we remember purplehaired Bulma!" thing that exists as a nudge and a wink to the audience.
And the manga-excuse for that particular future being used for more content is
that Kaioshin got killed in the Dabura-fight, making it the only timeline without Beerus.
I have only been reading the manga as I keep hearing the Super anime is pretty terrible.
Yea, it seems a lot of important plot points in the manga don't appear in the anime.
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So this question. Is nitpicky of me but the time travel stuff. Future Trunks travels back the first time to save Goku and that all falls under being his past in the timeline he is in.
Why does he go back to the timeline he changed by saving Goku? Shouldn't he go back to the timeline where Goku is still dead and such?
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What is the point of being alive if you don't at least try to do something remarkable? ~ Mario Novak
I never fear death or dyin', I only fear never trying.
So this question. Is nitpicky of me but the time travel stuff. Future Trunks travels back the first time to save Goku and that all falls under being his past in the timeline he is in.
Why does he go back to the timeline he changed by saving Goku? Shouldn't he go back to the timeline where Goku is still dead and such?
He does go back to the timeline where Goku is dead. After the Cell Saga is over, he goes back to his future and (with the strength he gained by training in the HTC for a year), easily kills the bad future versions of 17, 18, and Cell, thus securing an end to their constant rampage, and relative peace for what's left of mankind.
Is Trunks going back to his own time and confronting 17 and 18 and wrecking them easily then Bushwacking imperfect cell it's a really great episode.
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What I mean is when he returns in the Cell Saga. That doesn't make sense because an entirely new timeliness exists. When he traveled back in time for the Cell Saga, he should have went to a past where Goku is still dead.
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What is the point of being alive if you don't at least try to do something remarkable? ~ Mario Novak
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What I mean is when he returns in the Cell Saga. That doesn't make sense because an entirely new timeliness exists. When he traveled back in time for the Cell Saga, he should have went to a past where Goku is still dead.
He went to a point before Goku died (post-Raditz) in any timeline. The dead Goku was still alive when King Cold came.
Oh, wait, you mean after the training. Yeah, that machine has the ability to target a certain timeline for reasons??
Bulma, Trunks and the time-kaioshin are basically the only people who know jack-shit about timetravel, and they're kind of guessing. The rest all mess around with magic and shrug.
Everything about changing history is Bulma's fault.
So if you want to level up another character a really easy way to do it is
Pick up the 40 Ton weights Super soul after beating the story mode from the lady hanging out on the second floor area of the reception area and on your new character do the Great Saiyaman quest series in hercules house the final mission "Scrap collecting for justice." can net you with the Super soul 40k xp for a 40 second mission (Running around and picking up the scrap items) Just ignore the fighting and pick up 6 items and you finish boom 40k xp
Ok, Blue haired Trunks is Purple Haired Trunks. Originally in Toriyama's outlines Trunks was meant to have blue hair, but in DBZ the animating team used the wrong color that first time and stuck with it. The DBS animators were given the new concepts with the proper hair color which they used, but no context as to why it was blue now they just did what they were told and came up with their own assumptions.
The time travels stuff is a pain because the way it should have worked it was Back To The Future, and that's not how they did it. Someone once made a picture showing how DBZ explains it and there are something like 6 separate timelines with distinct starts and ends between things Trunks did and things Imperfect Cell did using the Time machine starting all the way back with Goku's medicine.
The "Trunks being crazy powerful" comes down to 2 things.
First, back in the day Toriyama wanted to pass the torch on to Gohan at Cell games (and this back when people would have to wait for new manga chapters), and when the manga came out there was an outcry at the thought of not letting Goku be center focal point of the story and only he should be the one to kill all the bad guys, to put it in general terms. He tired this again with Mystic Gohan, and teased at it where Vegeta gets for one great moment to be the hero some believed he could be when Goku was killed and swatted Golden Frieza like a bug, and then got robbed by the time rewind and Goku does it. Toriyama doing Super and the manga for it much more closely together in timeframe and so long after DBZ, he had a chance to if only temporarily introduce his new idea again, by making Trunks the new Gohan of Cell games.
Which leads to number 2. Gohan, Goten and Trunks are always going to be more powerful (potentially and in reality) because being half human allows for whatever reason to have a much higher base power level and needing less damage to power up. Saiyans "apex" of power for all of their history save for Bardock and Brolly going SSJ in the past and creating the legend was simply turning into a giant monkey which was more useful and world ending for their enemies than shooting more powerful energy. Frieza wasn't going to let them get close to his strength anyway. So to shorten this, Humans have high spirit power but their bodies can't handle it, Saiyans get durable bodies but never truly explored power beyond being able to take a punch better after a certain point.
Gohan ended up getting maxed out without needing SSJ by the kais, and even then they said he might not be able to stop Buu, hence Portarra fusion being plan B.
Trunks not needing to be pummeled as much as a full Saiyan (although taking quite a few beatings from Androids, Cell, Zamazu, Black, etc.) got him close to where he needed to be. The one key part that hasn't been shown but could be shown, is a flash back of a Kai unlocking his full power and being told that he still not be strong enough to stop Black, just like Gohan. He took a few more beatings, and after Vegito beat the hell out of Fused Zamazu, pissed off Mystic Trunks is now strong enough to finish him off. Trunks at that point is stronger than everyone at up to SSJ3, but not Red or Blue, and of course not a Fusion.
Now all of that was based off what I found on the interwebs with the part about Trunks getting the Mystic treatment the only part I threw in, since the interwebs seem to think his Aura looked alot like Gohan's. This arc ended up being a story where Trunks was the hero, and opens the door for the other sons to step up and have the spotlight. It's what Toriyama was trying to move towards a decade ago, and it looks like he's going to start dragging people kicking and screaming towards it. I always figured that was the point of the multiverse, since Goku and Vegeta can only be in so many places at a time. We'll see where the story goes from here.
Trunks being strong isn't worth flinching over, since the same kind of thing went on with Gohan. Everybody's wanted someone stepping in over Goku. Execution's pretty lame, though.
The second Super Saiyan God happened, I think all hope of someone surpassing Goku in a believable and well-written way went out the window. "They're just strong" is about as much as can be expected, both in Super and in Xenoverse.
The second Super Saiyan God happened, I think all hope of someone surpassing Goku in a believable and well-written way went out the window. "They're just strong" is about as much as can be expected, both in Super and in Xenoverse.
Yea, that is pretty much how I've viewed it so I've been wondering where they continue from this. How do you create an engaging story and solid enemies when your two main characters are basically God's being trained by the God of Destruction who isn't even the most powerful God of Destruction?
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The second Super Saiyan God happened, I think all hope of someone surpassing Goku in a believable and well-written way went out the window. "They're just strong" is about as much as can be expected, both in Super and in Xenoverse.
Yea, that is pretty much how I've viewed it so I've been wondering where they continue from this. How do you create an engaging story and solid enemies when your two main characters are basically God's being trained by the God of Destruction who isn't even the most powerful God of Destruction?
Well, at that point, one method is to flood the universe with more people at the god level, until that amount of power is the norm. This has the unfortunate side-effect of completely obsoleting every character that came before that jump in power, though. You basically need to almost entirely change the cast, if you're not gonna give god power to everyone.
Again, I'm wondering if Super is even gonna try to explain why Goku would be at all interested in Uub, since Super is happening between the Buu saga and Uub's introduction in the last episode of Z. Every power boost makes that last episode more hilariously obsolete.
Anyone in here getting Dragon Ball Fusions on 3DS? I just picked it up today and I'm looking forward to playing this. I was disappointed in Xenoverse 2, especially compared to the first one. I've seen good things when watching people play the Japanese version.
Holy crap it was a pain in the butt finding this for PS4 in stores. Bestbuy, TRU, and both Gamestops were sold out. Bestbuy was sold out online. Amazon wants $75 and has 1 in stock. Finally nabbed the last one at Target.
I'm enjoying it thus far. It being sold out made me wonder what was going on.
It always seems to happen with these anime fighting games. The first Xenoverse became really hard to find about a week after release. Same thing happened with physical copies of the Naruto games.
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What is the point of being alive if you don't at least try to do something remarkable? ~ Mario Novak
I never fear death or dyin', I only fear never trying.
I am pretty sure he is supposed to be but his hair is a different color than the Trunks from the Trunks in the Cell Saga and the Xenoverse Trunks.
I think it might be another timeline that up to a certain point was exactly the same. Shit is weird.
Big spoiler for Super.
And as far as DBS future Trunks is involved, my friend's theory is that he is the legendary Saiyan of that timeline/universe which is why he keeps growing exponentially in power.
What is the point of being alive if you don't at least try to do something remarkable? ~ Mario Novak
I never fear death or dyin', I only fear never trying.
Or at least that's the explanation that I've heard. I don't know or remember how well the show actually mentions that.
I think Super Trunks is the same as Cell Saga Future Trunks
I don't think they ever gave a reason why he is in the timeline that he is in. It honestly doesn't make any sense. If the DBS future Trunks remembers going back in time to save Goku from the heart disease and the Cell Games then it makes sense for this to be the same future Trunks but the hair color is what throws it off. It could be an accident, or maybe that is just what they want the hair color to be now, or it is a different Trunks entirely. But again, that means it is the same timeline where Goku is dead, Goten doesn't exist, and pretty much every other main/side character is dead.
I know Zamasu can travel forward in time and then back to the point that he left because of the ring but can he actively move to different timelines? And if so, why go to that one? He was already in a timeline where he took over Goku, killed his family and could have wiped out that planet. I guess it could be because Trunks traveled through time multiple times and he is bringing the godly justice down on him like Wolfman said but even then, what does it matter? Whole other timeline that might as well not exist since Zamasu was already immortal and in Goku's body.
I am either way over thinking this or I missed a fundamental part of the arc.
What is the point of being alive if you don't at least try to do something remarkable? ~ Mario Novak
I never fear death or dyin', I only fear never trying.
But yes, Cell-Trunks becomes both Xenoverse-Trunks and Super-Trunks. The whole thing with Trunkses and hair-colours is just a fun "we remember purplehaired Bulma!" thing that exists as a nudge and a wink to the audience.
Fun fact, Dr. Brief has also at times shifted colours.
And the manga-excuse for that particular future being used for more content is
I have only been reading the manga as I keep hearing the Super anime is pretty terrible.
Yea, it seems a lot of important plot points in the manga don't appear in the anime.
What is the point of being alive if you don't at least try to do something remarkable? ~ Mario Novak
I never fear death or dyin', I only fear never trying.
Why does he go back to the timeline he changed by saving Goku? Shouldn't he go back to the timeline where Goku is still dead and such?
What is the point of being alive if you don't at least try to do something remarkable? ~ Mario Novak
I never fear death or dyin', I only fear never trying.
He does go back to the timeline where Goku is dead. After the Cell Saga is over, he goes back to his future and (with the strength he gained by training in the HTC for a year), easily kills the bad future versions of 17, 18, and Cell, thus securing an end to their constant rampage, and relative peace for what's left of mankind.
What is the point of being alive if you don't at least try to do something remarkable? ~ Mario Novak
I never fear death or dyin', I only fear never trying.
He went to a point before Goku died (post-Raditz) in any timeline. The dead Goku was still alive when King Cold came.
Oh, wait, you mean after the training. Yeah, that machine has the ability to target a certain timeline for reasons??
Bulma, Trunks and the time-kaioshin are basically the only people who know jack-shit about timetravel, and they're kind of guessing. The rest all mess around with magic and shrug.
The time travels stuff is a pain because the way it should have worked it was Back To The Future, and that's not how they did it. Someone once made a picture showing how DBZ explains it and there are something like 6 separate timelines with distinct starts and ends between things Trunks did and things Imperfect Cell did using the Time machine starting all the way back with Goku's medicine.
The "Trunks being crazy powerful" comes down to 2 things.
Which leads to number 2. Gohan, Goten and Trunks are always going to be more powerful (potentially and in reality) because being half human allows for whatever reason to have a much higher base power level and needing less damage to power up. Saiyans "apex" of power for all of their history save for Bardock and Brolly going SSJ in the past and creating the legend was simply turning into a giant monkey which was more useful and world ending for their enemies than shooting more powerful energy. Frieza wasn't going to let them get close to his strength anyway. So to shorten this, Humans have high spirit power but their bodies can't handle it, Saiyans get durable bodies but never truly explored power beyond being able to take a punch better after a certain point.
Gohan ended up getting maxed out without needing SSJ by the kais, and even then they said he might not be able to stop Buu, hence Portarra fusion being plan B.
Trunks not needing to be pummeled as much as a full Saiyan (although taking quite a few beatings from Androids, Cell, Zamazu, Black, etc.) got him close to where he needed to be. The one key part that hasn't been shown but could be shown, is a flash back of a Kai unlocking his full power and being told that he still not be strong enough to stop Black, just like Gohan. He took a few more beatings, and after Vegito beat the hell out of Fused Zamazu, pissed off Mystic Trunks is now strong enough to finish him off. Trunks at that point is stronger than everyone at up to SSJ3, but not Red or Blue, and of course not a Fusion.
Now all of that was based off what I found on the interwebs with the part about Trunks getting the Mystic treatment the only part I threw in, since the interwebs seem to think his Aura looked alot like Gohan's. This arc ended up being a story where Trunks was the hero, and opens the door for the other sons to step up and have the spotlight. It's what Toriyama was trying to move towards a decade ago, and it looks like he's going to start dragging people kicking and screaming towards it. I always figured that was the point of the multiverse, since Goku and Vegeta can only be in so many places at a time. We'll see where the story goes from here.
Wow that was much longer than I intended.
Yea, that is pretty much how I've viewed it so I've been wondering where they continue from this. How do you create an engaging story and solid enemies when your two main characters are basically God's being trained by the God of Destruction who isn't even the most powerful God of Destruction?
What is the point of being alive if you don't at least try to do something remarkable? ~ Mario Novak
I never fear death or dyin', I only fear never trying.
Well, at that point, one method is to flood the universe with more people at the god level, until that amount of power is the norm. This has the unfortunate side-effect of completely obsoleting every character that came before that jump in power, though. You basically need to almost entirely change the cast, if you're not gonna give god power to everyone.
Again, I'm wondering if Super is even gonna try to explain why Goku would be at all interested in Uub, since Super is happening between the Buu saga and Uub's introduction in the last episode of Z. Every power boost makes that last episode more hilariously obsolete.
Dammit I liked that one.
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It now uses 300 ki even if the counter isn't triggered
Well that's reasonable, it was pretty silly how you could just spam it non-stop.
You might be better off with Mystic Flash or whatever the one that just shoots behind you is
It's kinda bull, though, for a counter to use up the whole cost. 1 bar, 2 bars maybe.
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It always seems to happen with these anime fighting games. The first Xenoverse became really hard to find about a week after release. Same thing happened with physical copies of the Naruto games.
What is the point of being alive if you don't at least try to do something remarkable? ~ Mario Novak
I never fear death or dyin', I only fear never trying.