I am, just like with Snape, willing to go back and reevaluate my opinion of the man if we ever get an update that explains his tragic history and why he's acting the way he was that puts all this into context of him thinking he's doing the right thing for good reasons.
Until that happens though i'm quite happy currently thinking of him as a neglectful shit who is being an asshole to the daughter he seems to believe is his property.
E: well, not happy I guess since this arc has been rather unpleasant to read, but i'm not going to give him the benefit of the doubt for a thing we don't know even exists or will ever happen.
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If these elves can live for centuries at a time why would they have the concept of spending time with loved ones now as opposed to later? Humans have it because life is short and the specter of death is everpresent. Elves? Elves don't have the same idea of mortality or even time.
Why wouldn't they? They'll live a lot longer before dying of age-related causes, but there are still plenty of other things that can kill you. Especially in a world with fire-breathing dragons.
Plus, there are plenty of things other than death that can separate friends. Lots of people cherish high school, for example, because it's a narrow time window they'll have around those particular friends. That despite it being only about 1/20 of your actual lifespan (for me it's pretty depressing that it's even that much). Life has a tendency to come along and move people around. People also change as they experience life; friendships that exist now are in no way guaranteed to exist even a year from now, whether you live 40, 80, or 500 years.
I'd think living for that much longer would encourage more of a sense of cherishing what you have now, because your life 120 years from now is almost guaranteed to be vastly different, and it's 50/50 whether it'll be better or worse.
I have wondered about this myself. Vampire media deals with the concept a lot.
And that one episode of star trek where data and geordie find those three people all cryogenically frozen.
Snape was just a nice guy that got friendzoned, maybe if Lily hadn't fallen for the arrogant jock instead of the angsty, poetic loner, none of this would have happened
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I am, just like with Snape, willing to go back and reevaluate my opinion of the man if we ever get an update that explains his tragic history and why he's acting the way he was that puts all this into context of him thinking he's doing the right thing for good reasons.
Until that happens though i'm quite happy currently thinking of him as a neglectful shit who is being an asshole to the daughter he seems to believe is his property.
E: well, not happy I guess since this arc has been rather unpleasant to read, but i'm not going to give him the benefit of the doubt for a thing we don't know even exists or will ever happen.
I compared Anthony to Snape the minute he showed up in this arc. I think he probably is Snape in this story.
The thing is, Snape was still an asshole. His bad history didn't excuse the awful things he did, even within the confines of what the reader "personally" witnesses, let alone what he did when he was a sincere Deatheater. Didgeridoo's link lays it out pretty well, I think.
Whatever history we get from Anthony, it's never going to excuse his current behavior, no matter how tragic that backstory ends up to be, no matter how sincere and good his motivations are. What he's doing is harmful to Antimony, probably harmful in a long term way. Even if he had come back and been the Best Father Ever (tm) at his first meeting, she still would be hurt by years of complete abandonment. Human being try to forget things like that, we want to forget things like that, but they still affect us whether we want them to or not. Granted, she's half fire elemental, but she still has a range of human emotions, and she's been shown in the past to cry at the situation with both parents.
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Who the hell thought this was a good idea in Demon (sometimes NSFW)
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Snape was way less of a dick than Anthony is being right now though
I mean still a total dick and everything, but even in the first movie he routinely saved Harry's life even if he didn't like him and didn't actively sabotage his social position
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It's entirely possible that Their Story isn't going to start a "You're gay!?" conversation and he's just just taken off-guard that she's suddenly in love with someone.
Or perhaps he's surprised she hadn't realized it about herself, because everybody else already knew.
Snape was way less of a dick than Anthony is being right now though
I mean still a total dick and everything, but even in the first movie he routinely saved Harry's life even if he didn't like him and didn't actively sabotage his social position
My point was less comparing their asshole behaviors and more that we didn't get context for Snape's actions until the end of the story, which is why I think there's more to Anthony from a narrative perspective.
I am not speaking of Anthony or his actions as being that of a person. I don't get emotionally invested in any story, I pick it apart to see how each piece functions so I can apply it to my own work. Anthony is a character, one cog in the story that is Gunnerkrigg Court that I think has yet to fully demonstrate his purpose for being in the story. This character is too important to just be a simple abusive father, and Tom has so far been very good about not writing one-note characters like that. That's my "evidence" for why I think he hasn't shown his true colors just yet, because it'd be far too easy and very unsatisfying to write him that way.
Snape was way less of a dick than Anthony is being right now though
I mean still a total dick and everything, but even in the first movie he routinely saved Harry's life even if he didn't like him and didn't actively sabotage his social position
My point was less comparing their asshole behaviors and more that we didn't get context for Snape's actions until the end of the story, which is why I think there's more to Anthony from a narrative perspective.
I am not speaking of Anthony or his actions as being that of a person. I don't get emotionally invested in any story, I pick it apart to see how each piece functions so I can apply it to my own work. Anthony is a character, one cog in the story that is Gunnerkrigg Court that I think has yet to fully demonstrate his purpose for being in the story. This character is too important to just be a simple abusive father, and Tom has so far been very good about not writing one-note characters like that. That's my "evidence" for why I think he hasn't shown his true colors just yet, because it'd be far too easy and very unsatisfying to write him that way.
This part here is probably where the disconnect in the conversation is coming from, because I would be surprised if many other people were approaching the work that way.
Personally i'm just taking things as they are given within the story, and the story right now is saying her father is a giant shithead. Other stories doing similar things with characters who were eventually slightly redeemed doesn't guarantee the same thing will happen here and I won't approach it as a given.
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Yeah I know. Some people (not me) would argue that assisted suicide is wrong. I was kidding either way
There was also that time when Snape made Harry mix a potion in front of the whole class and said that if he mixed it wrong he'd have to kiss Snape right on the mouth with everyone watching and then Snape ON PURPOSE gave Harry the wrong amount of ingredients to mix so HARRY WOULD HAVE TO FAIL.
There was also that time when Snape made Harry mix a potion in front of the whole class and said that if he mixed it wrong he'd have to kiss Snape right on the mouth with everyone watching and then Snape ON PURPOSE gave Harry the wrong amount of ingredients to mix so HARRY WOULD HAVE TO FAIL.
Chico, you know we all consider your ending to be far superior to JK Rowling's
There was also that time when Snape made Harry mix a potion in front of the whole class and said that if he mixed it wrong he'd have to kiss Snape right on the mouth with everyone watching and then Snape ON PURPOSE gave Harry the wrong amount of ingredients to mix so HARRY WOULD HAVE TO FAIL.
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I'm actually going to lock @Bobkins Flymo in this thread by himself, like we did @crwth back in the day, only we're going to up the posts per page to 200 and he can only post new installments of Dresden Codak, Lackadaisy Cats, and Achewood. We can have the webcomics thread back when he reaches page 100, or when the sun burns out. Whichever comes first.
Plus all the horrible shit that went on at Hogwarts when he became headmaster.
Unless the book explains that?
Yeah, essentially. There was no way around terrible stuff happening at Hogwarts when Voldemort is in charge of the government, and by extension, Hogwarts. Snape was in, essentially, cover so deep that only he knew he was in cover in the first place. I think he's mitigated the awfulness somewhat, but there's only so much he could do without getting himself killed and causing things to get even worse.
I'm actually going to lock @Bobkins Flymo in this thread by himself, like we did @crwth back in the day, only we're going to up the posts per page to 200 and he can only post new installments of Dresden Codak, Lackadaisy Cats, and Achewood. We can have the webcomics thread back when he reaches page 100, or when the sun burns out. Whichever comes first.
I think Anthony probably does love Annie in his own way, and is probably doing what he thinks is best for her. The problem is that he's completely negligent of what his daughter needs from him
He thinks he knows what's best for her and in his mind, since he knows what's best for her he doesn't need to second guess himself even in the face of evidence that his behavior is harming his daughter
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man I don't really want to dive into this argument but it reads to me that he straight up hates his daughter
To me it reads that there is no functional difference between him hating and loving his daughter. Like, he's causing her to be so tense that she stabs her fingernails into her hands from clenching them so hard. That's not healthy in any way and he should be far away from her whether he loves her or not.
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Until that happens though i'm quite happy currently thinking of him as a neglectful shit who is being an asshole to the daughter he seems to believe is his property.
E: well, not happy I guess since this arc has been rather unpleasant to read, but i'm not going to give him the benefit of the doubt for a thing we don't know even exists or will ever happen.
I have wondered about this myself. Vampire media deals with the concept a lot.
And that one episode of star trek where data and geordie find those three people all cryogenically frozen.
I compared Anthony to Snape the minute he showed up in this arc. I think he probably is Snape in this story.
The thing is, Snape was still an asshole. His bad history didn't excuse the awful things he did, even within the confines of what the reader "personally" witnesses, let alone what he did when he was a sincere Deatheater. Didgeridoo's link lays it out pretty well, I think.
Whatever history we get from Anthony, it's never going to excuse his current behavior, no matter how tragic that backstory ends up to be, no matter how sincere and good his motivations are. What he's doing is harmful to Antimony, probably harmful in a long term way. Even if he had come back and been the Best Father Ever (tm) at his first meeting, she still would be hurt by years of complete abandonment. Human being try to forget things like that, we want to forget things like that, but they still affect us whether we want them to or not. Granted, she's half fire elemental, but she still has a range of human emotions, and she's been shown in the past to cry at the situation with both parents.
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Who the hell thought this was a good idea in Demon (sometimes NSFW)
I mean still a total dick and everything, but even in the first movie he routinely saved Harry's life even if he didn't like him and didn't actively sabotage his social position
Or perhaps he's surprised she hadn't realized it about herself, because everybody else already knew.
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Snape was a shit
but I don't recall Snape doing anything in the books which comes close to how much of a deadbeat arsehole dad Anthony Carver is
My point was less comparing their asshole behaviors and more that we didn't get context for Snape's actions until the end of the story, which is why I think there's more to Anthony from a narrative perspective.
I am not speaking of Anthony or his actions as being that of a person. I don't get emotionally invested in any story, I pick it apart to see how each piece functions so I can apply it to my own work. Anthony is a character, one cog in the story that is Gunnerkrigg Court that I think has yet to fully demonstrate his purpose for being in the story. This character is too important to just be a simple abusive father, and Tom has so far been very good about not writing one-note characters like that. That's my "evidence" for why I think he hasn't shown his true colors just yet, because it'd be far too easy and very unsatisfying to write him that way.
This part here is probably where the disconnect in the conversation is coming from, because I would be surprised if many other people were approaching the work that way.
Personally i'm just taking things as they are given within the story, and the story right now is saying her father is a giant shithead. Other stories doing similar things with characters who were eventually slightly redeemed doesn't guarantee the same thing will happen here and I won't approach it as a given.
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Snape Eater.
Unless the book explains that?
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Chico, you know we all consider your ending to be far superior to JK Rowling's
but we're talking about the "populist" finale
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I appreciate that all of your stories start out with a weird magical accident that results in all of the kids being aged up to 18+.
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Her hand ornaments are both intriguing and freaking me the hell out.
Hopefully we'll get a least a little more of Pam's pack before Colin is whisked away again.
Yeah, essentially. There was no way around terrible stuff happening at Hogwarts when Voldemort is in charge of the government, and by extension, Hogwarts. Snape was in, essentially, cover so deep that only he knew he was in cover in the first place. I think he's mitigated the awfulness somewhat, but there's only so much he could do without getting himself killed and causing things to get even worse.
But yeah, weneedmorePam&co!!!! :O
It's kinda curious what have become of Leona and Miko as well...
mokepon is probably NSFPWDLPFG (not safe for people who don't like potential fish guts)
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Woah, dark.
He thinks he knows what's best for her and in his mind, since he knows what's best for her he doesn't need to second guess himself even in the face of evidence that his behavior is harming his daughter
And that's where the abuse is
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