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[Star Trek] Shows we view with an Opinion

RMS OceanicRMS Oceanic Registered User regular
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So there's a show called Star Trek that has so many episodes they had to form a Roman Empire style Tetrarchy and have four series represent it all. What fifth series?

Star Trek: The Original Series (TOS)

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Theme Song:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AB3uVARNhmM

Starring a man who will try anyone once, a conflicted half alien in a snark war with a timehole, a de-licensed Doctor for writing too many prescriptions, a bio-ethanol miracle engine and a mysterious pilot called Omai. The original series, involving flying around space and discovering copies of Earth while fighting the Mongols.

Recommended episodes: City on the Edge of Forever, Balance of Terror, The Doomsday Machine, Mirror Mirror


Star Trek: The Next Generation (TNG)

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Theme:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPOAeDBH1_U

Starring a Child Hating Uriah Gambit, a man who will try anyone once, SemanticParserException, a Werewolf, the best argument for adhering to military dress codes, a Nice Guy, Maury Pauvich Guest Star and son, and a really interesting alien threat. Set a hundred years after the original and also involved flying around space, although with less Earth copies and more arrogance at their supposed enlightenment.

Recommended episodes: The Inner Light, The Measure of a Man, Tapestry, Darmok


Star Trek: Deep Space Nine (DS9)

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Theme:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tL9KWB0M4UU

Starring The Sisko, the embodiment of physical pain and trauma, a Werewolf during the new moon, Red Lantern, Multiple Choice Personality, the Patriot Act, a victim of Profit and Lace, Rejecting your reality and substituting my own, and the USS Ben Sisko's Motherfuckin' Pimp Hand. Set at the same time as TNG, involves staying put in space, exploring the political development of a region after the discovery of a wormhole across the galaxy, that brings both opportunity and danger.

Recommended Episodes: Duet, The Visitor


Star Trek: Voyager (VOY)

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Theme:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_OnpFNybxc

Starring Ming the Merciless, an Ent, an Enforcer, The Best at everything, the embodiment of sexual trauma and shame, Doctor Ego, Tsundere Mechanic, Surprisingly engaging emotionally stunted victim of abuse, an alien that has its interest and threat withered away, Reset Button, and Shithead. Back to space flight, although a bit more than you'd expect when you're on the opposite side of the galaxy without a nice wormhole to avail of.

Recommended Episodes: The Thaw, Scorpion, Year of Hell, Timeless, not Threshold

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...Oh, fine.

Star Trek: Enterprise (ENT)

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Theme:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPU8OAjjS4k

Starring a Racist Crazy Homeless person, Erik from Dungeons and Dragons, Forged a college degree, the Space Sphere, More Dakka, Courage the Cowardly Dog, and Doctor Malthus. Set a hundred years before TOS and ostensibly about flying around in regular amounts again, but decides to get involved with time travel shenanigans for three quarters of it. Has unquestionably the worst finale, because it's not its own finale.

Recommended Episodes: In a Mirror Darkly


Oh also there are some movies. Including one coming out in a year or so. They each have strengths and weaknesses, but I advise you to avoid 5 and 10.

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  • RMS OceanicRMS Oceanic Registered User regular
    The recommendations in the OP are for people who know only what has popculturally osmosed about Trek. I'm aware I'm missing out on classics like Best of Both Worlds and In the Pale Moonlight, but these and others require an active investment in their respective series, where I believe my recommendations can be watched without context.

  • That_GuyThat_Guy I don't wanna be that guy Registered User regular
    Just watch all of it. It's definitely worth it if you haven't seen the whole god damned thing. It's like a trip through popular sentiment throughout the decades.

  • cB557cB557 voOOP Registered User regular
    What fifth series?
    What fourth series?

  • Brutal JBrutal J Sorry! Sorry, I'm sorry. Sorry. Registered User regular
    I petition the OP to be changed so that Deep Space Nine recommendations are "all of them" and Enterprise's recommendations are "none of them".

    It would be far more accurate that way.

  • CaedwyrCaedwyr Registered User regular
    edited May 2015
    You got the DS9 song wrong. I believe the one you want is "Mummer's Dance".


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxTpvA-pUG0


    Edit: Turns out I'm wrong and the two songs just share a lot in common.

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  • Regina FongRegina Fong Allons-y, Alonso Registered User regular
    Brutal J wrote: »
    I petition the OP to be changed so that Deep Space Nine recommendations are "all of them" and Enterprise's recommendations are "none of them".

    It would be far more accurate that way.

    Nah, that's not what he was going for with his recommendations.

    And if you're going to watch all of DS9 you should definitely watch at least the last few seaons of TNG first (5-7) because one plays into the other. And if you're going to watch the last few seasons of TNG then you might as well watch all of it because seasons 3-4 have some of the best episodes of the series, and 1-2 do have some strong episodes.

    You can skip TOS. It is dated, there is no denying it, and you don't need to have watched it at all to appreciate TNG and beyond.

    If you make it through TNG and DS9 and don't hate the series... I guess you could watch Voyager.

  • cB557cB557 voOOP Registered User regular
    Eh, I'd say TOS is worth watching.

  • That_GuyThat_Guy I don't wanna be that guy Registered User regular
    TOS is a fascinating dive into popular 60s culture. It reflects the flavor of bullishness the US had at the time. Plus, rampant sexism. Even DS9 struggled with that.

  • MayabirdMayabird Pecking at the keyboardRegistered User regular
    Yes, I am also a fan of the SF Debris versions.

  • PaladinPaladin Registered User regular
    Ok this has been killing me for 15 years

    Did any intro to any star trek show or movie say "Space: A world of time"? Because I so clearly remember it and it's poetic enough for me not to have come up with it myself, but I can find no records of it anywhere.

    Marty: The future, it's where you're going?
    Doc: That's right, twenty five years into the future. I've always dreamed on seeing the future, looking beyond my years, seeing the progress of mankind. I'll also be able to see who wins the next twenty-five world series.
  • TOGSolidTOGSolid Drunk sailor Seattle, WashingtonRegistered User regular
    edited May 2015
    cB557 wrote: »
    Eh, I'd say TOS is worth watching.
    It's definitely worth watching but perhaps best viewed after getting more familiar with Trek. It's an interesting show to watch as a time capsule of the origins of Trek and entertaining in its own right but it'd be kinda rough to start out with.

    TOGSolid on
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  • CambiataCambiata Commander Shepard The likes of which even GAWD has never seenRegistered User regular
    Paladin wrote: »
    Ok this has been killing me for 15 years

    Did any intro to any star trek show or movie say "Space: A world of time"? Because I so clearly remember it and it's poetic enough for me not to have come up with it myself, but I can find no records of it anywhere.

    Not in Star Trek, it must have come from another show or movie.

    "If you divide the whole world into just enemies and friends, you'll end up destroying everything" --Nausicaa of the Valley of Wind
  • Regina FongRegina Fong Allons-y, Alonso Registered User regular
  • ShivahnShivahn Unaware of her barrel shifter privilege Western coastal temptressRegistered User, Moderator mod
    Every time Winn is on screen I want to punch a child

  • Regina FongRegina Fong Allons-y, Alonso Registered User regular
    edited May 2015
    I just finished watching DS9 "Shakaar".

    Man it was nice to see Winn take it on the jaw for once.

    Regina Fong on
  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    The actress just nails that smarmy cunt delivery so good. I'd have had difficulty not punching her if I'd been on set.

  • Regina FongRegina Fong Allons-y, Alonso Registered User regular
    shryke wrote: »
    The actress just nails that smarmy cunt delivery so good. I'd have had difficulty not punching her if I'd been on set.

    She's probably a really nice person in real life, if you ignore the character and just look at her, she has a kind face.

  • KingofMadCowsKingofMadCows Registered User regular
    She did win an Oscar for playing Nurse Ratched.

  • Regina FongRegina Fong Allons-y, Alonso Registered User regular
    She did win an Oscar for playing Nurse Ratched.

    Whoa, I did not realize that was the same actress.

    She is a legitimately great actor.

  • CambiataCambiata Commander Shepard The likes of which even GAWD has never seenRegistered User regular
    Yeah, Louise Fletcher is pretty darn great. They couldn't have done better in casting Winn.

    "If you divide the whole world into just enemies and friends, you'll end up destroying everything" --Nausicaa of the Valley of Wind
  • Regina FongRegina Fong Allons-y, Alonso Registered User regular
    Cambiata wrote: »
    Yeah, Louise Fletcher is pretty darn great. They couldn't have done better in casting Winn.

    She's originally from Alabama.

    So now we know why she nails "evil and smarmy in a sweet sounding way".

    Just substitute "Well, bless your heart" for every "walk with the prophets" and you have a typical church-going southern woman.

  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    Cambiata wrote: »
    Yeah, Louise Fletcher is pretty darn great. They couldn't have done better in casting Winn.

    She's originally from Alabama.

    So now we know why she nails "evil and smarmy in a sweet sounding way".

    Just substitute "Well, bless your heart" for every "walk with the prophets" and you have a typical church-going southern woman.

    OMG I will never be able to unsee this.

  • RMS OceanicRMS Oceanic Registered User regular
    cB557 wrote: »
    What fifth series?
    What fourth series?

    The Seven and Doctor show, guest starring Tuvok.

  • RMS OceanicRMS Oceanic Registered User regular
    Shivahn wrote: »
    Every time Winn is on screen I want to punch a child

    Every time a screen is on a child I want to punch Winn.

    For real, she's a great antagonist in the Umbridge model.

  • IcemopperIcemopper Registered User regular
    Brutal J wrote: »
    I petition the OP to be changed so that Deep Space Nine recommendations are "all of them" and Enterprise's recommendations are "none of them".

    It would be far more accurate that way.

    Nah, that's not what he was going for with his recommendations.

    And if you're going to watch all of DS9 you should definitely watch at least the last few seaons of TNG first (5-7) because one plays into the other. And if you're going to watch the last few seasons of TNG then you might as well watch all of it because seasons 3-4 have some of the best episodes of the series, and 1-2 do have some strong episodes.

    You can skip TOS. It is dated, there is no denying it, and you don't need to have watched it at all to appreciate TNG and beyond.

    If you make it through TNG and DS9 and don't hate the series... I guess you could watch Voyager.

    Ok, so this is something I've really been wondering. I want my wife to watch DS9, I think she would really like it. However, she has some weird stigma about Star Trek and automatically assumes she wouldn't like it. I know this isn't true though.

    So if I were to pick out a few episodes of TNG instead of forcing her to watch 3 seasons, what would really be good introductions to the Cardassians and Bajor?

    I could just skip all that entirely, but she'd miss out on so much back story.

  • RMS OceanicRMS Oceanic Registered User regular
    Icemopper wrote: »
    Brutal J wrote: »
    I petition the OP to be changed so that Deep Space Nine recommendations are "all of them" and Enterprise's recommendations are "none of them".

    It would be far more accurate that way.

    Nah, that's not what he was going for with his recommendations.

    And if you're going to watch all of DS9 you should definitely watch at least the last few seaons of TNG first (5-7) because one plays into the other. And if you're going to watch the last few seasons of TNG then you might as well watch all of it because seasons 3-4 have some of the best episodes of the series, and 1-2 do have some strong episodes.

    You can skip TOS. It is dated, there is no denying it, and you don't need to have watched it at all to appreciate TNG and beyond.

    If you make it through TNG and DS9 and don't hate the series... I guess you could watch Voyager.

    Ok, so this is something I've really been wondering. I want my wife to watch DS9, I think she would really like it. However, she has some weird stigma about Star Trek and automatically assumes she wouldn't like it. I know this isn't true though.

    So if I were to pick out a few episodes of TNG instead of forcing her to watch 3 seasons, what would really be good introductions to the Cardassians and Bajor?

    I could just skip all that entirely, but she'd miss out on so much back story.

    The Wounded and Chain of Command for the Cardassians, Ensign Ro for Bajorans.

  • TroggTrogg Registered User regular
    TNG's Cardassian epsiodes are good, but completely optional.

    There are literally no Cardassian or Bajoran characters from TNG that appear in DS9. The only one who comes close is Chief O'Brian.

    All you need to know is that they're "Space Nazis" (that's a quote from Marc Alaimo) who used to be at war with the Federation. They used to rule Bajor in a brutal occupation and are hoping to take it back, while the Federation wants Bajor to join the Federation. Bajor's government is unstable and divided.

    I think all of this is covered in the first episode by Dukat, Kira and Sisco's dialogue.

  • AManFromEarthAManFromEarth Let's get to twerk! The King in the SwampRegistered User regular
    Paladin wrote: »
    Ok this has been killing me for 15 years

    Did any intro to any star trek show or movie say "Space: A world of time"? Because I so clearly remember it and it's poetic enough for me not to have come up with it myself, but I can find no records of it anywhere.

    No, none of the intros ever said that in Star Trek. It might be from something else.

    It's Space, the final frontier.

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  • HevachHevach Registered User regular
    That_Guy wrote: »
    TOS is a fascinating dive into popular 60s culture. It reflects the flavor of bullishness the US had at the time. Plus, rampant sexism. Even DS9 struggled with that.

    DS9 struggled, but with TOS there's no struggle. Almost every woman is either a space secretary or something for Kirk to have no consequences sex with and then never talk to again.

    It's always necessary to remember when watching TOS that it was from the 60's, which means you just need to roll with a certain level of weird and uncomfortable stuff.

    When watching TAS, it's necessary to remember that everybody involved was just on so many drugs. Like, this is the cartoon equivalent of hitting rock bottom and huffing random bottles you find under the sink. There does manage to be a few decent episodes, though, like the one about Spock's brother (the brother who wasn't silently written forever out of existence by edict of Gene Roddenberry).

  • Regina FongRegina Fong Allons-y, Alonso Registered User regular
    DS9 didn't struggle with sexism until they added Worf, threw him into a relationship with Dax, and then made lots of episodes about Klingon honor, Klingon religion, Klingon culture etc.

    Ferengi have a sexist culture too, but the writers presented Ferengi culture as something to be explored and questioned.

    Klingon culture is always presented as something that must be respected and revered, which is batty because most of Klingon culture is regressive and awful.

  • AManFromEarthAManFromEarth Let's get to twerk! The King in the SwampRegistered User regular
    idk

    i think that DS9 was better at that than TNG was.

    When Worf wanted to kill his brother Sisko went to fucking town on him. When Worf asked Riker to kill him Picard got all "gee you dont want to offend their culture"

    Sisko drew clear lines on what Klingon Cosplay he was willing to let Worf take part in and what he wasn't.

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  • Regina FongRegina Fong Allons-y, Alonso Registered User regular
    Never forget the time Sisko angrily lectured Dax about how she wasn't respecting Klingon culture and that's so wrong.

    I was like uh, you know trill have a culture too and Worf hasn't ever once stopped and considered that maybe his marriage was a two-way street.

    It was so god damned sexist. "You, wife, you agreed to subjugate everything about yourself to the superior male husband how dare you open your mouth and speak!"

  • PaladinPaladin Registered User regular
    Hevach wrote: »
    DS9 struggled, but with TOS there's no struggle. Almost every woman is either a space secretary or something for Kirk to have no consequences sex with and then never talk to again.

    Not true, sometimes they are there to swap bodies with Kirk and allow Shatner to ascend to his final form

    Marty: The future, it's where you're going?
    Doc: That's right, twenty five years into the future. I've always dreamed on seeing the future, looking beyond my years, seeing the progress of mankind. I'll also be able to see who wins the next twenty-five world series.
  • Commander ZoomCommander Zoom Registered User regular
    and for all that people (somewhat deservedly) dump on Ezri, she was willing to call Worf on "dude, your culture is fucking terrible and you're better than that - why are you going so far to prop up an empire that doesn't deserve it/you?"

  • PaladinPaladin Registered User regular
    I feel like DS9 was always hamhanded with the Trill, which made it take way too long to warm up to any Dax, leaving Ezri with no chance. Alright, you used to be a man, we got it,stop literally telling us 50x an episode and move on

    Marty: The future, it's where you're going?
    Doc: That's right, twenty five years into the future. I've always dreamed on seeing the future, looking beyond my years, seeing the progress of mankind. I'll also be able to see who wins the next twenty-five world series.
  • Regina FongRegina Fong Allons-y, Alonso Registered User regular
    Paladin wrote: »
    I feel like DS9 was always hamhanded with the Trill, which made it take way too long to warm up to any Dax, leaving Ezri with no chance. Alright, you used to be a man, we got it,stop literally telling us 50x an episode and move on

    I felt like they barely explored trill culture at all, leaving them as just spotted humans who have this symbiont thing going on.

    But that's par for the course, as Trek has always been bad at making alien-aliens instead making species who each embody a single broad stroke of humanity (to the exclusion of almost everything else).

    That's why I was particularly sick of Klingons, because they already did Klingons a lot in TNG and they don't have anything going on aside from testosterone poisoning. I'm sure if they did Ferengi again in a future series I'd be sick of them too, since they are just "greed".

  • ShivahnShivahn Unaware of her barrel shifter privilege Western coastal temptressRegistered User, Moderator mod
    Paladin wrote: »
    I feel like DS9 was always hamhanded with the Trill, which made it take way too long to warm up to any Dax, leaving Ezri with no chance. Alright, you used to be a man, we got it,stop literally telling us 50x an episode and move on

    I felt like they barely explored trill culture at all, leaving them as just spotted humans who have this symbiont thing going on.

    But that's par for the course, as Trek has always been bad at making alien-aliens instead making species who each embody a single broad stroke of humanity (to the exclusion of almost everything else).

    That's why I was particularly sick of Klingons, because they already did Klingons a lot in TNG and they don't have anything going on aside from testosterone poisoning. I'm sure if they did Ferengi again in a future series I'd be sick of them too, since they are just "greed".

    Well, the end of DS9 started showing some changes in Ferengi government and junk, so I think a future thing on Ferengi could actually be pretty interesting.

  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    Never forget the time Sisko angrily lectured Dax about how she wasn't respecting Klingon culture and that's so wrong.

    I was like uh, you know trill have a culture too and Worf hasn't ever once stopped and considered that maybe his marriage was a two-way street.

    It was so god damned sexist. "You, wife, you agreed to subjugate everything about yourself to the superior male husband how dare you open your mouth and speak!"

    When was that?

  • daveNYCdaveNYC Why universe hate Waspinator? Registered User regular
    DS9 had the Ferengi culture do a complete 180, and stuck a relatively naive guy in as grand leader of a society of back-stabbing weasels. I didn't particularly like the Ferengi, but the DS9 writers just went crazy trying to wrap up everything Ferengi related.

    TOS is worth watching if you keep in mind the extra special horrible mess that was racism, sexism, and the cold war at the time. Just remember that the stuff that happened on TOS was pretty progressive. You'll cry a little inside.

    It also has some pretty awesome episodes. The Doomsday Machine is good fun, Balance of Terror is a great WWII submarine story.

    Shut up, Mr. Burton! You were not brought upon this world to get it!
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