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Yeah well it all comes down to beliefs, and fuck one shouldn't even touch discussions about those with a ten-foot pole.
I think that what pony said about pragmatism is pretty much how many people who're against abortion can accept that it has to be legal. And as long as it stays that way I'm not complaining.
I don't consider braindead people human though. They were. But if by braindead you mean the brain stopped working in a way that makes it impossible for it to work again.. the person is already dead and all that's left is a shell
see, this is a perfect example of what a person considers a human person is pretty arbitrary and a matter of individual opinion.
are you wrong for thinking this, wally? i don't really think so. in fact, i kinda agree, to an extent. but, i also disagree to an extent, and those extents are based entirely on where my beliefs and opinions differ from yours. There's no objective right or wrong there, just what we think is right and wrong.
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Garlic Breadi'm a bitch i'm a bitch i'm a bitch i'm aRegistered User, Disagreeableregular
edited April 2007
If a person is so braindead that there's no hope, keeping them alive is a waste
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PiptheFairFrequently not in boats.Registered Userregular
edited April 2007
well, there probably is an objective truth to it, but damned if I know how to find out what it is
I'll just rely on my own beliefs till the time comes
I want to stop hearing about the sanctity of life.
I also want to stop hearing about the slippery slope.
These are both arguments made up by assholes who are too busy touching themselves to come up with an actual argument.
HEY!
They're not the only ones!
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IpseDixitTreat me like a pirateAnd give me that bootyRegistered Userregular
edited April 2007
I am definatly pro-abortion. I am completely aware that the choice to have an abortion is a life changing decision and something that as a man I can not quite contemplate. The choice should be available though, in a completely legal forum where the woman having the abortion has the final choice. This means no interferance from anyone, be it the government, her parents, or even the father.
Do you just look down on the women who have them, Pony?
no.
there are circumstances where an abortion is quite unfortunate but is ultimately not something a person can be faulted for
for example, ectopic pregnancy
maybe pregnancy and giving birth might actually kill you, Jordyn. you've got health problems of your own, so i mean it can be a situation where you don't even have a real choice.
do i think highly of women who get abortions because they got pregnant through knowing, consensual sex with a partner of choice and can't deal with the responsibility of what resulted? no, i do not. the ones who don't have mitigating health situations or fucked up circumstances that caused the pregnancy (rape, for example)? no. i think that's ultimately pretty terrible and self-centered and yes, murder. i do think that, and if a person doesn't like that too much well
i'm sure there's lots of things i think you don't like. are you going to make a big god damn issue out of it? i won't.
So two people have sex, and whatever birth control they were using failed. Condom broke, something interferred with the pill (antibiotics, seizure medication), something went wrong. Now the woman is pregnant and doesn't want a baby. Should women just never have sex because oh my god what if? But men can have all the sex they want because an abortion is the woman's choice?
Now, here's the thing. I think it is the woman's choice to have an abortion or not. However, I'm not looking down on them for doing it. I might think they're dumb if they really didn't use ANY protection at all, but there's plenty of unwanted pregnancies that happen despite taking necessary precautions.
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I am definatly pro-abortion. I am completely aware that the choice to have an abortion is a life changing decision and something that as a man I can not quite contemplate. The choice should be available though, in a completely legal forum where the woman having the abortion has the final choice. This means no interferance from anyone, be it the government, her parents, or even the father.
see, i got a real problem with that last one
a real big problem
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PiptheFairFrequently not in boats.Registered Userregular
I am definatly pro-abortion. I am completely aware that the choice to have an abortion is a life changing decision and something that as a man I can not quite contemplate. The choice should be available though, in a completely legal forum where the woman having the abortion has the final choice. This means no interferance from anyone, be it the government, her parents, or even the father.
see, i got a real problem with that last one
a real big problem
yeah
also, what the hell do you mean sanctity of life people?
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Garlic Breadi'm a bitch i'm a bitch i'm a bitch i'm aRegistered User, Disagreeableregular
I am definatly pro-abortion. I am completely aware that the choice to have an abortion is a life changing decision and something that as a man I can not quite contemplate. The choice should be available though, in a completely legal forum where the woman having the abortion has the final choice. This means no interferance from anyone, be it the government, her parents, or even the father.
see, i got a real problem with that last one
a real big problem
The father may want the kid but the father's not the one that has to put up with health problems for 9 months
I am definatly pro-abortion. I am completely aware that the choice to have an abortion is a life changing decision and something that as a man I can not quite contemplate. The choice should be available though, in a completely legal forum where the woman having the abortion has the final choice. This means no interferance from anyone, be it the government, her parents, or even the father.
see, i got a real problem with that last one
a real big problem
The father may want the kid but the father's not the one that has to put up with health problems for 9 months
no but if the woman keeps it and he doesn't want it he has to pay
EDIT: it's a huge double standard
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QuetziHere we may reign secure, and in my choice,To reign is worth ambition though in HellRegistered User, Moderatormod
I am definatly pro-abortion. I am completely aware that the choice to have an abortion is a life changing decision and something that as a man I can not quite contemplate. The choice should be available though, in a completely legal forum where the woman having the abortion has the final choice. This means no interferance from anyone, be it the government, her parents, or even the father.
see, i got a real problem with that last one
a real big problem
The father may want the kid but the father's not the one that has to put up with health problems for 9 months
But what if the father doesn't want the kid, and ends up being forced into paying child support or into a marriage or whatever because the mother does?
if a woman basically retains sole and total control over whether a pregnancy is terminated or not, and the father is in no way permitted any sort of grounds or legal say on the subject
well then
i think ladies can renounce any and all claims to child support, huh.
since i mean, it wasn't the man's decision to have the kid, right
it was her's and just her's.
c'mon now, guys.
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PiptheFairFrequently not in boats.Registered Userregular
edited April 2007
haha quetzi you are so slow
EDIT: YOU TOO PONY
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Garlic Breadi'm a bitch i'm a bitch i'm a bitch i'm aRegistered User, Disagreeableregular
I am definatly pro-abortion. I am completely aware that the choice to have an abortion is a life changing decision and something that as a man I can not quite contemplate. The choice should be available though, in a completely legal forum where the woman having the abortion has the final choice. This means no interferance from anyone, be it the government, her parents, or even the father.
see, i got a real problem with that last one
a real big problem
The father may want the kid but the father's not the one that has to put up with health problems for 9 months
no but if the woman keeps it and he doesn't want it he has to pay
Mr. Paku, I know you jest, but if we start using embryonic stem cells then what's to stop future generations from pushing the boundries a little farther, a little farther, until jack-booted government goons are breaking down your door, harvesting your precious bodily fluids for a select few who require nurishement in the form of the other human beings.
Sure stem cells might save a few lives, but it's a slippery slope.
Is it wrong that I laughed out loud at every horrible joke made as I read this thread?
I'm all for abortions, you want one? OK!
I'm also all for the counseling to make sure it is a sound and informed decision.
I'd also never want someone carrying my child to abort it, unless it was going to kill her.
I would beg and offer to pay all medical bills (somehow) and totally raise the child on my own if I had to.
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PiptheFairFrequently not in boats.Registered Userregular
Yeah but my sentences are more complete and coherent and don't require editting.
your mother
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RankenphilePassersby were amazedby the unusually large amounts of blood.Registered User, ModeratorMod Emeritus
edited April 2007
To me, "sanctity of life" ranks right up there with "sacred institution of marriage" as one of those bullshit sayings conservatives love throwing out when they're trying to get their religious beliefs passed as law.
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Favlaudjust straight up awfulRegistered Userregular
edited April 2007
Guys what if it's two gay dudes
What happens then
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DynagripBreak me a million heartsHoustonRegistered User, ClubPAregular
edited April 2007
I was hoping to see rude titties on this page.
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QuetziHere we may reign secure, and in my choice,To reign is worth ambition though in HellRegistered User, Moderatormod
and she gets knocked up, even though we use all reasonable forms of contraception
she says "i want an abortion"
you bet your god damn ass that's a legal fight
a huge one
i'll take sole custody if she wants.
hell, i'd even pay for financial compensation for the 9 months she'd have to carry my child and the birthing process.
but she's not killing my child.
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Favlaudjust straight up awfulRegistered Userregular
edited April 2007
There was a billboard on I-5 on my way up to portland that had a picture of a 5 month-old baby on it, with big bold letters that said DON'T SHAKE YOUR BABY
I laughed because it was absurd, but then I felt pretty bad about it
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RankenphilePassersby were amazedby the unusually large amounts of blood.Registered User, ModeratorMod Emeritus
Mr. Paku, I know you jest, but if we start using embryonic stem cells then what's to stop future generations from pushing the boundries a little farther, a little farther, until jack-booted government goons are breaking down your door, harvesting your precious bodily fluids for a select few who require nurishement in the form of the other human beings.
Sure stem cells might save a few lives, but it's a slippery slope.
this better have been sarcasm.
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PiptheFairFrequently not in boats.Registered Userregular
edited April 2007
wait when you say sanctity of life do you just mean in reference to people arguing against abortion, or do you mean it in the sense of personal rights against authoritative control?
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I think that what pony said about pragmatism is pretty much how many people who're against abortion can accept that it has to be legal. And as long as it stays that way I'm not complaining.
see, this is a perfect example of what a person considers a human person is pretty arbitrary and a matter of individual opinion.
are you wrong for thinking this, wally? i don't really think so. in fact, i kinda agree, to an extent. but, i also disagree to an extent, and those extents are based entirely on where my beliefs and opinions differ from yours. There's no objective right or wrong there, just what we think is right and wrong.
I'll just rely on my own beliefs till the time comes
1. You could die if you get the kid
2. Any other problems
Solutions
To 1.: Get an abortion
to 2.: Just suck it up, geez
i assume my own beliefs are objectively correct until given sufficient reason to believe otherwise.
some people don't like this.
i don't really care.
i accept all beliefs as possibilities
except for jesus because he doesn't make sense
Kohlberg
I also want to stop hearing about the slippery slope.
These are both arguments made up by assholes who are too busy touching themselves to come up with an actual argument.
what?
HEY!
They're not the only ones!
some day you can join them
everywhere
So two people have sex, and whatever birth control they were using failed. Condom broke, something interferred with the pill (antibiotics, seizure medication), something went wrong. Now the woman is pregnant and doesn't want a baby. Should women just never have sex because oh my god what if? But men can have all the sex they want because an abortion is the woman's choice?
Now, here's the thing. I think it is the woman's choice to have an abortion or not. However, I'm not looking down on them for doing it. I might think they're dumb if they really didn't use ANY protection at all, but there's plenty of unwanted pregnancies that happen despite taking necessary precautions.
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see, i got a real problem with that last one
a real big problem
yeah
also, what the hell do you mean sanctity of life people?
so you think every baby should be killed?
The father may want the kid but the father's not the one that has to put up with health problems for 9 months
no but if the woman keeps it and he doesn't want it he has to pay
EDIT: it's a huge double standard
But what if the father doesn't want the kid, and ends up being forced into paying child support or into a marriage or whatever because the mother does?
well then
i think ladies can renounce any and all claims to child support, huh.
since i mean, it wasn't the man's decision to have the kid, right
it was her's and just her's.
c'mon now, guys.
EDIT: YOU TOO PONY
yeah but on the plus side, he's a man
Sure stem cells might save a few lives, but it's a slippery slope.
Yeah but my sentences are more complete and coherent and don't require editting.
I'm all for abortions, you want one? OK!
I'm also all for the counseling to make sure it is a sound and informed decision.
I'd also never want someone carrying my child to abort it, unless it was going to kill her.
I would beg and offer to pay all medical bills (somehow) and totally raise the child on my own if I had to.
your mother
What happens then
See what the hell kind of sense does that little fragment make? You are only proving my point World as Pip.
butt babies
if, for example
i had a one night stand with some chick
these things happen
and she gets knocked up, even though we use all reasonable forms of contraception
she says "i want an abortion"
you bet your god damn ass that's a legal fight
a huge one
i'll take sole custody if she wants.
hell, i'd even pay for financial compensation for the 9 months she'd have to carry my child and the birthing process.
but she's not killing my child.
I laughed because it was absurd, but then I felt pretty bad about it
this better have been sarcasm.