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The Modern Domestic Terrorism: Death In The Willamette
AngelHedgie
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Nine people are dead after a gunman barged into the Emmanuel AME Church in Charleston, SC, killing them as they attended Bible study:
While officials are declaring the act a hate crime, that really doesn't go far enough. This was a blatant act of domestic terrorism. But considering that the suspect is a 21 year old white man:
We have already begun seeing the usual refrain of how we are looking at the actions of a "lone wolf" whose mindset and intent are unknowable. From the statement by SC Governor Nikki Hailey:
(Emphasis mine.)
It saddens me to read about such a horrifying act committed so openly and coldly. And it really infuriates me to hear the arguments that this is somehow an incomprehensible act. Considering that he intentionally left a survivor to tell people about what happened, we have a perfectly serviceable term for this act.
This was an act of domestic terrorism. And if you don't understand why someone would feel the need to terrorize the black community, the history of the US has many, many events that help explain why, to this day.
In closing, here is the response from the head of the NAACP:
The shooting took place at about 9 p.m. ET on Wednesday. Charleston Police released photos of the suspect during a news conference that started at 6 a.m. ET Thursday, and said he left the scene in a black four door sedan. He is described as "armed and dangerous."
Church members were shot as they took part in shot at bible study, the NAACP said. Dot Scott, president of the Charleston NAACP, said a female survivor told family members that the gunman initially sat down in the church for a while before opening fire, the Post and Courier reported. Scott added that the gunman reportedly told the woman he was letting her live so she could tell others what happened.
Among the dead was the state senator who was pastor of the church, Democrat Clementa Pinckney, said South Carolina House Minority Leader Todd Rutherford, the Associated Press reported. Pinckney, 41, was married with two children and had served in the state Senate since 2000, according to online biographies.
While officials are declaring the act a hate crime, that really doesn't go far enough. This was a blatant act of domestic terrorism. But considering that the suspect is a 21 year old white man:
We have already begun seeing the usual refrain of how we are looking at the actions of a "lone wolf" whose mindset and intent are unknowable. From the statement by SC Governor Nikki Hailey:
While we do not yet know all of the details, we do know that we’ll never understand what motivates anyone to enter one of our places of worship and take the life of another.
(Emphasis mine.)
It saddens me to read about such a horrifying act committed so openly and coldly. And it really infuriates me to hear the arguments that this is somehow an incomprehensible act. Considering that he intentionally left a survivor to tell people about what happened, we have a perfectly serviceable term for this act.
This was an act of domestic terrorism. And if you don't understand why someone would feel the need to terrorize the black community, the history of the US has many, many events that help explain why, to this day.
In closing, here is the response from the head of the NAACP:
The NAACP was founded to fight against racial hatred and we are outraged that 106 years later, we are faced today with another mass hate crime. Our heartfelt prayers and soul-deep condolences go out to the families and community of the victims at Charleston’s historic Emanuel AME Church. The senselessly slain parishioners were in a church for Wednesday night bible study. There is no greater coward than a criminal who enters a house of God and slaughters innocent people engaged in the study of scripture. Today I mourn as an AME minister, as a student and teacher of scripture, as well as a member of the NAACP.
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There's an argument to be made that calling this a hate crime or domestic terrorism is a little premature - which I disagree with, but I could understand why someone might take that position - but again - fuck Fox News.
But I can understand why someone might urge caution until details of what he said to the lady are released or his manifesto / Facebook history / etc is found.
Still, looks like a duck, quacks like a duck.
The enduring, casual sociopathy and infantile awkwardness of the bourgeoisie.
Edit: The link has gone stale, so I'm removing it.
And if you thought that his jacket was more than just fashion:
Considering that picture above, I think that's been answered.
As soon as I heard that there were multiple victims tho I had a feeling we didn't have to be scared (on account of being super white).
Boy howdy I sure love being right.
One of the witnesses at the scene also says that he told her
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Yep, definitely sounds like he was acting on standard anti-Christian bigotry there.
And caught alive, at that.
I guess there's just and underlying assumption that white criminals get arrested, not shot.
I mean, he's an armed and dangerous white man, not an unarmed black person after all.
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I'd hesitate, but judging by the picture AngelHedgie posted and the comments about 'taking over country' and 'have to go' it sure looks like he's political.
I usually assume mass murderers will commit suicide or get arrested and end up on trial regardless of race.
Why shouldn't we call it terrorism? There's a long, ignoble history throughout the US of the use of violence on black Americans in order to intimidate and cow them. That's terrorism. Look at the words of the woman he allowed to survive - if he had been of Middle East origin, and she had been white, I don't think anyone would argue that wasn't terrorism.
This is textbook terrorism.
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http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/18/us/charleston-south-carolina-shooting/index.html
Far too soon to discuss racial problems in america, we'll have to wait till at least january 2021, possibly later if there is another incident that inflames this country, we don't want to be hasty.
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I'm glad that this is getting some play with this story because god damn that's awful.
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But that shouldn't stop us from saying that this wouldn't have happened if everyone in the church had been packing heat.
The more you talk about this so-called "problem" the harder it becomes for me to ignore it. That makes you the real racist.
How shielded or in a vacuum bubble world does one have to be to conclude; "Whelp, this obviously is not terrorism", When this piece of dog shit was spewing; "I have to kill you all. You rape our women I have to take back Our country" in a historically black church, when the act blatantly was domestic terrorism?
Nice bubble world you've got there McDermott.
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One thing I'm sad about and this is an actual "both sides" issue is that right now everyone is hoping that this shit bird is not associated with their political team, when it really doesn't matter if he voted r or d, dude was a racist people shit.
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Or that this was an attack on religious beliefs.
To be quite honest, I...don't know which one would be more appropriate.
I guess just taking the damn thing down and burning it would be MOST appropriate.
I think the point McDermott's making is that it's not clear there is a political objective vs. someone hating black people enough to try to kill a bunch of them. Considering this happened just a few hours ago, it's not unreasonable to urge caution rather than speculation on motives.
After the Boston Bombing, I recall being certain that - because it was Boston and on Tax Day it was some Tea-Partyish right wing attack. Clearly that was wrong, but it's not unreasonable to wait to make conclusions before any real details come out.
Also, McDermott didn't say 'obviously not terrorism', he said he would hesitate to call it terrorism.
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I'm glad you were there in Charleston, at the scene of the crime, to come to the conclusion , that this definitely was not "Domestic Terrorism", prior to the actually Law Enforcement authorities on hand.
So, about kindly goosing yourself?
Yes, he's killing them - because of their race. If you don't see that as an act of terror, then I would really recommend reading up on the history of black Americans.
Again, if we swapped around the races of the people involved to a more expected configuration, I doubt we would be having this discussion.
I think we can all agree this was horrific mass murder and this guy appears to be motivated by being a racist dickbag. We don't know his political leanings, and he might just end up being some unhinged nut like Jared Lee Loughner.
Fox News is terrible, but let's try not to be terrible ourselves. Nine people are dead and we're arguing about what makes terrorism terrorism.
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It is compatible with the goal of terrorism.
I thought that was really super duper clear.