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Live From Milwaukee, It's The [Fourth Republican Presidential Primary Debate]!

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  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    Atomika wrote: »
    This is why we can't have nice things, CNN.

    Stop legitimizing stupid people.

    I read that headline and I had to look at the date cause I swear they've used that exact headline a hundred times before.

    But I think that was last election where "Clinton" was replaced with "Obama".

  • Harry DresdenHarry Dresden Registered User regular
    edited November 2015
    TryCatcher wrote: »
    Trace wrote: »
    that graph kind of scares me because y'know


    Trump is actually on top when it comes to the middle class there. It's a goddamn good thing the conservative media isn't really on his side otherwise a tax plan like that would probably cinch him the nomination right about now.

    The Trump vs. Fox debacle shows up that is a good thing for Trump not having the media on his side, since they mostly dance to his tune anyways AND the base loves him since they pretty much hate all media period (and with distrust of all forms of mainstream media going up, well...).

    For now. When Trump becomes the nominee, they'll suddenly always have been on his side.

    Harry Dresden on
  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    Yeah, that dude is a) nuts b) a favorite of Chuck Todd, among others in the media.

    The idea that your vote is a moral statement about you or who you vote for is some backwards ass libertarian nonsense. Your vote is about society. Vote to protect the vulnerable.
  • AtomikaAtomika Live fast and get fucked or whatever Registered User regular
    It's stuff like that that really gets me pissed off at the media's desire to show nonbias.

    You're allowed to be biased against demonstrably wrong assertions, harmful rhetoric, or just plain idiotic puffery.



    And Jesus H. Mergatroid, the distortion bubble these cranks live in. That's why this party can't be saved, they refuse to accept basic tenets of reality.

  • AtomikaAtomika Live fast and get fucked or whatever Registered User regular
    enlightenedbum wrote: »
    Yeah, that dude is a) nuts b) a favorite of Chuck Todd, among others in the media.

    He was also CNN's pick for their conservative moderator in their GOP debate.

  • chrisnlchrisnl Registered User regular
    I think the real takeaway there is that he has offered Hillary Clinton "advice" about her campaign. I doubt Mrs. Clinton is going to take advice from a conservative radio host.

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  • VeagleVeagle Registered User regular
    That advice is just insane too. Refuse to attend any debates with the Republican candidate. Does he really think that would help her, or is he hoping she would follow his absurd suggestion? Either option is crazy!

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  • chrisnlchrisnl Registered User regular
    Veagle wrote: »
    That advice is just insane too. Refuse to attend any debates with the Republican candidate. Does he really think that would help her, or is he hoping she would follow his absurd suggestion? Either option is crazy!

    Well of course it is insane advice. He frames it as it being good for Hillary Clinton, but he is clearly a conservative talk radio host and has no interest in her succeeding. Therefore he offers his "advice" in the hopes that she will accept it and not take the freely given opportunity to annihilate her opponent in front of the public.

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  • FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    The best part is that he thinks the Michael Bay movie will a)not be terrible and b)Hillary will give a shit about it.

  • AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    So, Rubio's staffers got caught stealing WiFi from a local pizza shop.

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  • IlpalaIlpala Just this guy, y'know TexasRegistered User regular
    Oh god, I had forgotten about the Benghazi movie, I just ate lunch guys cmon.

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  • nexuscrawlernexuscrawler Registered User regular
    Chuck Todd is a professional at being wrong all the time second only to Bill kristol

  • ShortyShorty touching the meat Intergalactic Cool CourtRegistered User regular
    both are people whose living is made by the fact that they are completely without shame and still, somehow, legitimate opinion-havers in the media

  • AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    So, how desperate is the GOP establishment getting over the primary?
    According to other Republicans, some in the party establishment are so desperate to change the dynamic that they are talking anew about drafting Romney — despite his insistence that he will not run again. Friends have mapped out a strategy for a late entry to pick up delegates and vie for the nomination in a convention fight, according to the Republicans who were briefed on the talks, though Romney has shown no indication of reviving his interest.

    That desperate. It's like the mirror image of the Draft Biden movement, but with more derp.

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  • IlpalaIlpala Just this guy, y'know TexasRegistered User regular
    It's hilarious too, Romney 2.0 would just let all the air out of the base so hard.

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  • Wraith260Wraith260 Happiest Goomba! Registered User regular
    wow, 4 years on and they still think that Romney is the best they've got. that really says a lot about where the GOP is right now, and none of it good.

  • LadaiLadai Registered User regular
    edited November 2015
    The GOP leadership using the complex party primary rules to give Romney the candidacy out of nowhere would basically guarantee a third-party challenge from the right in the general election. Maybe Trump, maybe someone else, but someone would do it. The base would demand it.

    Ladai on
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  • notdroidnotdroid Registered User regular
    Wraith260 wrote: »
    wow, 4 years on and they still think that Romney is the best they've got. that really says a lot about where the GOP is right now, and none of it good.

    Well the GOP establishment is in a real bad spot due to how big of a disappointment ~xoxOxOXOX_Jeb_XOXOxOxox~ has been.

  • AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    notdroid wrote: »
    Wraith260 wrote: »
    wow, 4 years on and they still think that Romney is the best they've got. that really says a lot about where the GOP is right now, and none of it good.

    Well the GOP establishment is in a real bad spot due to how big of a disappointment ~xoxOxOXOX_Jeb_XOXOxOxox~ has been.

    Yeah - they had no plan for him turning out to be the dumber brother.

    Also, Cruz pulls out the knives on Rubio, guaranteeing that the GOP will set anti-immigration as a party plank.

    Guess they think they don't need the Latino vote.

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  • notdroidnotdroid Registered User regular
    AngelHedgie wrote: »
    notdroid wrote: »
    Wraith260 wrote: »
    wow, 4 years on and they still think that Romney is the best they've got. that really says a lot about where the GOP is right now, and none of it good.

    Well the GOP establishment is in a real bad spot due to how big of a disappointment ~xoxOxOXOX_Jeb_XOXOxOxox~ has been.

    Yeah - they had no plan for him turning out to be the dumber brother.

    Also, Cruz pulls out the knives on Rubio, guaranteeing that the GOP will set anti-immigration as a party plank.

    Guess they think they don't need the Latino vote.

    I'm really afraid of the Ted Cruz's anti-immigration stance, mostly because I fear it'll end up getting Ted Cruz deported to Canada. We just got rid of Harper, and the dark clouds have just started dissipating. Please don't do this to us.

  • LadaiLadai Registered User regular
    edited November 2015
    I honestly don't think Jeb is a dumb guy.

    He's just not very personable.
    Or good at public speaking.
    And really lets it show that he hasn't run a campaign in like a decade and has pretty much forgotten how to do it.

    Ladai on
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  • SarcasmoBlasterSarcasmoBlaster Austin, TXRegistered User regular
    AngelHedgie wrote: »
    notdroid wrote: »
    Wraith260 wrote: »
    wow, 4 years on and they still think that Romney is the best they've got. that really says a lot about where the GOP is right now, and none of it good.

    Well the GOP establishment is in a real bad spot due to how big of a disappointment ~xoxOxOXOX_Jeb_XOXOxOxox~ has been.

    Yeah - they had no plan for him turning out to be the dumber brother.

    Also, Cruz pulls out the knives on Rubio, guaranteeing that the GOP will set anti-immigration as a party plank.

    Guess they think they don't need the Latino vote.

    Not that I agree with Cruz or anything, but good. Seems like everyone (save for Trump, who goes after everyone) has been reluctant to attack Golden Boy Rubio. Now the gloves are off with him to. Plus it assures that in 2016 they'll be the anti-immigration party, which, like, can't help.

  • SniperGuySniperGuy SniperGuyGaming Registered User regular
    If the entire party can't find a semi-electable candidate, maybe it's time to mix up that party

  • ViskodViskod Registered User regular
    edited November 2015
    Ladai wrote: »
    I honestly don't think Jeb is a dumb guy.

    He's just not very personable.
    Or good at public speaking.
    And really lets it show that he hasn't run a campaign in like a decade and has pretty much forgotten how to do it.

    He let his campaign release thousands of emails from his time as governor without thinking to make sure that any emails that contained oh say, peoples social security numbers and other sensitive material had that information redacted.

    Jeb is a dumb guy.

    Viskod on
  • notdroidnotdroid Registered User regular
    edited November 2015
    SniperGuy wrote: »
    If the entire party can't find a semi-electable candidate, maybe it's time to mix up that party
    Or to rebuild one.
    Jeb! Bush, politician. A man barely alive.
    Gentlemen, we can rebuild him. We have the technology. We have the capability to make the world's first bionic republican. Jeb! will be that man. Better than he was before. Whiter... richer... louder.

    notdroid on
  • LadaiLadai Registered User regular
    Viskod wrote: »
    Ladai wrote: »
    I honestly don't think Jeb is a dumb guy.

    He's just not very personable.
    Or good at public speaking.
    And really lets it show that he hasn't run a campaign in like a decade and has pretty much forgotten how to do it.

    He let his campaign release thousands of emails from his time as governor without thinking to make sure that any emails that contained oh say, peoples social security numbers and other sensitive material had that information redacted.

    Jeb is a dumb guy.

    Well

    I mean

    OK.

    That's pretty dumb.

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  • RingoRingo He/Him a distinct lack of substanceRegistered User regular
    AngelHedgie wrote: »
    So, how desperate is the GOP establishment getting over the primary?
    According to other Republicans, some in the party establishment are so desperate to change the dynamic that they are talking anew about drafting Romney — despite his insistence that he will not run again. Friends have mapped out a strategy for a late entry to pick up delegates and vie for the nomination in a convention fight, according to the Republicans who were briefed on the talks, though Romney has shown no indication of reviving his interest.

    That desperate. It's like the mirror image of the Draft Biden movement, but with more derp.

    This is my favorite thing

  • DacDac Registered User regular
    SniperGuy wrote: »
    If the entire party can't find a semi-electable candidate, maybe it's time to mix up that party
    Unfortunately this is difficult when you've framed everything outside your position as immoral devilry.

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  • PaladinPaladin Registered User regular
    Is the Republican party too big to fail

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  • RchanenRchanen Registered User regular
    Paladin wrote: »
    Is the Republican party too big to fail

    as long as we don't have to bail them out

  • AtomikaAtomika Live fast and get fucked or whatever Registered User regular
    Post-2012 GOP: We need to really focus more on picking up women, latino, black, youth, and low-income voters!

    Pre-2016 GOP: We need to really double down on how much we're going to fuck over women, latino, black, youth, and low-income voters!



    Part of me hopes Carson gets the nomination, though. It should buy us a few cycles of relief from the "so and so lost because they weren' t conservative enough!" harblgarble.



    But god, what if they call Ben Carson a RINO?
    Who's left to nominate?


    Kim Davis/Bocephus 2020!

  • SyphonBlueSyphonBlue The studying beaver That beaver sure loves studying!Registered User regular
    CONSERVATIVISM CAN NOT FAIL IT CAN ONLY BE FAILED

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  • augustaugust where you come from is gone Registered User regular

  • Mr KhanMr Khan Not Everyone WAHHHRegistered User regular
    Atomika wrote: »
    Post-2012 GOP: We need to really focus more on picking up women, latino, black, youth, and low-income voters!

    Pre-2016 GOP: We need to really double down on how much we're going to fuck over women, latino, black, youth, and low-income voters!



    Part of me hopes Carson gets the nomination, though. It should buy us a few cycles of relief from the "so and so lost because they weren' t conservative enough!" harblgarble.



    But god, what if they call Ben Carson a RINO?
    Who's left to nominate?


    Kim Davis/Bocephus 2020!

    Sheriff Joe, as i've often said. Who better to have conservative bona fides than a county sheriff who has been repeatedly investigated by the Justice Department for abuse of authority in pursuing an anti-immigrant agenda?

  • ElJeffeElJeffe Registered User, ClubPA regular
    Viskod wrote: »
    Ladai wrote: »
    I honestly don't think Jeb is a dumb guy.

    He's just not very personable.
    Or good at public speaking.
    And really lets it show that he hasn't run a campaign in like a decade and has pretty much forgotten how to do it.

    He let his campaign release thousands of emails from his time as governor without thinking to make sure that any emails that contained oh say, peoples social security numbers and other sensitive material had that information redacted.

    Jeb is a dumb guy.

    Everyone does dumb things. And when your every action is pored over by thousands of people trying to prove that you're dumb, yeah, unflattering things are going to come out.

    Nobody running for the GOP nom right now is dumb. They might be woefully unqualified, narrow minded, ignorant, generally awful, blinded by ideology, bad at their jobs, or secretly an animatronic haunted house ghoul piloted by a sentient mop, but none of them are dumb.

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    Is it bad that I would have believed you were talking about any of them until the word mop?

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  • ShortyShorty touching the meat Intergalactic Cool CourtRegistered User regular
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    Viskod wrote: »
    Ladai wrote: »
    I honestly don't think Jeb is a dumb guy.

    He's just not very personable.
    Or good at public speaking.
    And really lets it show that he hasn't run a campaign in like a decade and has pretty much forgotten how to do it.

    He let his campaign release thousands of emails from his time as governor without thinking to make sure that any emails that contained oh say, peoples social security numbers and other sensitive material had that information redacted.

    Jeb is a dumb guy.

    Everyone does dumb things. And when your every action is pored over by thousands of people trying to prove that you're dumb, yeah, unflattering things are going to come out.

    Nobody running for the GOP nom right now is dumb. They might be woefully unqualified, narrow minded, ignorant, generally awful, blinded by ideology, bad at their jobs, or secretly an animatronic haunted house ghoul piloted by a sentient mop, but none of them are dumb.

    no, I'm pretty sure ben carson is dumb

  • PeccaviPeccavi Registered User regular
    notdroid wrote: »
    SniperGuy wrote: »
    If the entire party can't find a semi-electable candidate, maybe it's time to mix up that party
    Or to rebuild one.
    Jeb! Bush, politician. A man barely alive.
    Gentlemen, we can rebuild him. We have the technology. We have the capability to make the world's first bionic republican. Jeb! will be that man. Better than he was before. Whiter... richer... louder.

    So Trump?

  • ViskodViskod Registered User regular
    edited November 2015
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    Viskod wrote: »
    Ladai wrote: »
    I honestly don't think Jeb is a dumb guy.

    He's just not very personable.
    Or good at public speaking.
    And really lets it show that he hasn't run a campaign in like a decade and has pretty much forgotten how to do it.

    He let his campaign release thousands of emails from his time as governor without thinking to make sure that any emails that contained oh say, peoples social security numbers and other sensitive material had that information redacted.

    Jeb is a dumb guy.

    Everyone does dumb things. And when your every action is pored over by thousands of people trying to prove that you're dumb, yeah, unflattering things are going to come out.

    Nobody running for the GOP nom right now is dumb. They might be woefully unqualified, narrow minded, ignorant, generally awful, blinded by ideology, bad at their jobs, or secretly an animatronic haunted house ghoul piloted by a sentient mop, but none of them are dumb.

    See all of those things to me can be comfortably placed under the blanket label of dumb. They're saying dumb things, and they're doing dumb things. They're all a bunch of idiots. But I know what you mean. I don't think like Jeb has difficulty functioning in daily life and is severely mentally impaired on a regular basis.

    Viskod on
  • Gnome-InterruptusGnome-Interruptus Registered User regular
    Its more of an expectations differ based on their chosen profession.

    I wouldn't call someone dumb because they couldn't file their own taxes or calculate the rate of return on an investment or the optimal repayment for a loan based on interest rates, but if an accountant couldn't, I would call them dumb.

    These guys chose to enter politics, some against the advice of their closest family. That they are failing so spectacularly, means I am comfortable calling them dumb.

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