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Rotating formats are typically a good thing, however forcing you to craft old cards for Wild format using dust might be really, really shitty if they don't lower dust costs. Basically locking newer players out of the extended formats.
They were sort of locked out anyway because of how hard it is for them to get in now, which only gets worse as more expansions are released. Adding the adventures to that pile is sort of only marginally making it worse.
Besides, the epics/leggos of a lot of the expansions aren't actually that core--Scientist, Healbot, Belcher, and Creeper are the core-est of the Naxx cards, and are all Rare or below, and none of the Naxx legendaries aside from Loatheb are that big. LoE rotating out will be rough since it actually has several runnable legendaries, but eh, they're technically for more niche decks.
Also holy shit no healbot is gonna be WEIRD. Might push Shaman up to the top for control decks because of Healing Wave?
Will Tavern Brawls use formats?
Tavern Brawls have different rules each week, so some Brawls will be in Wild format, while others could be in Standard format, but they’ll all be crazy fun!
this is gonna make deckbuilding brawls suck even more for new players tbh
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The Escape Goatincorrigible ruminantthey/themRegistered Userregular
Rotating formats are typically a good thing, however forcing you to craft old cards for Wild format using dust might be really, really shitty if they don't lower dust costs. Basically locking newer players out of the extended formats.
They were sort of locked out anyway because of how hard it is for them to get in now, which only gets worse as more expansions are released. Adding the adventures to that pile is sort of only marginally making it worse.
Besides, the epics/leggos of a lot of the expansions aren't actually that core--Scientist, Healbot, Belcher, and Creeper are the core-est of the Naxx cards, and are all Rare or below, and none of the Naxx legendaries aside from Loatheb are that big. LoE rotating out will be rough since it actually has several runnable legendaries, but eh, they're technically for more niche decks.
Also holy shit no healbot is gonna be WEIRD. Might push Shaman up to the top for control decks because of Healing Wave?
LoE isn't rotating out for two years tho
well, yeah
and?
gotta plan for the future
edit: like there's still going to be new/returning hearthstone players in 2 years, probs
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ObiFettUse the ForceAs You WishRegistered Userregular
This is going to generally make me rethink crafting legendaries. Core Legendaries become much more important and new good legendaries need to be crafted quickly to get the most use out of the dust.
Rotating formats are typically a good thing, however forcing you to craft old cards for Wild format using dust might be really, really shitty if they don't lower dust costs. Basically locking newer players out of the extended formats.
They were sort of locked out anyway because of how hard it is for them to get in now, which only gets worse as more expansions are released. Adding the adventures to that pile is sort of only marginally making it worse.
Besides, the epics/leggos of a lot of the expansions aren't actually that core--Scientist, Healbot, Belcher, and Creeper are the core-est of the Naxx cards, and are all Rare or below, and none of the Naxx legendaries aside from Loatheb are that big. LoE rotating out will be rough since it actually has several runnable legendaries, but eh, they're technically for more niche decks.
Also holy shit no healbot is gonna be WEIRD. Might push Shaman up to the top for control decks because of Healing Wave?
LoE isn't rotating out for two years tho
well, yeah
and?
gotta plan for the future
edit: like there's still going to be new/returning hearthstone players in 2 years, probs
oh
well i mean like
when you have two more years of expansions you can't really say how meaningful LOE will or will not be after all those cards :P
I'm just glad that you can still craft cards that are not available in standard format anymore. I'm 17 cards away from completing the entire collection. I would have been super pissed if certain cards were not available to obtain after a certain time.
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ObiFettUse the ForceAs You WishRegistered Userregular
we’re planning to take the new Hearthstone year as a golden opportunity to re-evaluate a number of cards in the Basic and Classic card sets, including class cards, and make some long-considered adjustments.
This is a pretty important part of that post as well.
Rotating formats are typically a good thing, however forcing you to craft old cards for Wild format using dust might be really, really shitty if they don't lower dust costs. Basically locking newer players out of the extended formats.
They were sort of locked out anyway because of how hard it is for them to get in now, which only gets worse as more expansions are released. Adding the adventures to that pile is sort of only marginally making it worse.
Besides, the epics/leggos of a lot of the expansions aren't actually that core--Scientist, Healbot, Belcher, and Creeper are the core-est of the Naxx cards, and are all Rare or below, and none of the Naxx legendaries aside from Loatheb are that big. LoE rotating out will be rough since it actually has several runnable legendaries, but eh, they're technically for more niche decks.
Also holy shit no healbot is gonna be WEIRD. Might push Shaman up to the top for control decks because of Healing Wave?
LoE isn't rotating out for two years tho
well, yeah
and?
gotta plan for the future
edit: like there's still going to be new/returning hearthstone players in 2 years, probs
oh
well i mean like
when you have two more years of expansions you can't really say how meaningful LOE will or will not be after all those cards :P
I don't think Reno and Mrrrglton are go away that easily, mang
Rotating formats are typically a good thing, however forcing you to craft old cards for Wild format using dust might be really, really shitty if they don't lower dust costs. Basically locking newer players out of the extended formats.
They were sort of locked out anyway because of how hard it is for them to get in now, which only gets worse as more expansions are released. Adding the adventures to that pile is sort of only marginally making it worse.
Besides, the epics/leggos of a lot of the expansions aren't actually that core--Scientist, Healbot, Belcher, and Creeper are the core-est of the Naxx cards, and are all Rare or below, and none of the Naxx legendaries aside from Loatheb are that big. LoE rotating out will be rough since it actually has several runnable legendaries, but eh, they're technically for more niche decks.
Also holy shit no healbot is gonna be WEIRD. Might push Shaman up to the top for control decks because of Healing Wave?
LoE isn't rotating out for two years tho
well, yeah
and?
gotta plan for the future
edit: like there's still going to be new/returning hearthstone players in 2 years, probs
oh
well i mean like
when you have two more years of expansions you can't really say how meaningful LOE will or will not be after all those cards :P
I don't think Reno and Mrrrglton are go away that easily, mang
no sure that's not what i'm getting at
LOE is more than just those two cards and you're still looking at it through the frame of what's good now, and you're saying "well these things that are good will probably remain good"
but there's all these other cards that with two more expansions will still possibly be viable, and there are still effects that could cause THOSE cards to be garbo - what if they print a card that says "healing effects don't work" suddenly reno decks just die the turn they need to reno vs aggro, etc
value propositions on sets that have years to remain in a format are a fool's errand
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ObiFettUse the ForceAs You WishRegistered Userregular
Can someone who isn't into MTG explain what this means?
Are all the cards I gathered from Naxx and GvG now useless?
Or is this just for ranked? Or for arena?
These will be the sets allowed in Standard (ranked) play:
Basic
Classic
Blackrock Mountain
The Grand Tournament
The League of Explorers
The Spring 2016 Expansion
That means that only the core sets (basic and classic) + the last two adventures + the last two expansions will be able to be used in ranked/casual (standard) play. When a new adventure comes out, the oldest adventure will be kicked out of Standard. When a new expansion hits, the oldest expansion will be kicked out of Standard. All cards can still be used in the Wild playlist.
So you can still use the cards from Naxx and GvG in Wild, but not in Standard (Ranked/Casual) play. Wild will still complete quests and stuff, so you aren't losing much.
we’re planning to take the new Hearthstone year as a golden opportunity to re-evaluate a number of cards in the Basic and Classic card sets, including class cards, and make some long-considered adjustments.
This is a pretty important part of that post as well.
if this doesn't mean a force roar nerf we have a problem
Man...I barely know the difference between standard and GvG. I started playing right after GvG was released.
You guys think "wild" will sorta become a joke area that most people don't take seriously?
And speaking of shredders, I wonder how deathrattles like that will work. Presumably the discover mechanic will use the standard card set, which would make me think just for consistency the deathrattles will too.
Really surprised Blizzard did this. Happy, but surprised. It sorta seems against their ethos somehow.
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JakarrdIn the belly ofOklahomaRegistered Userregular
I think I like the changes. I'm happy we get at least some deck spaces. Formats seem to be a good way to reviatlize playstyles so I wouldn't mind seeing more of those down the line.
It'll be interesting to play standard and adjust to turn 7 not dropping the boom.
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Man...I barely know the difference between standard and GvG. I started playing right after GvG was released.
You guys think "wild" will sorta become a joke area that most people don't take seriously?
And speaking of shredders, I wonder how deathrattles like that will work. Presumably the discover mechanic will use the standard card set, which would make me think just for consistency the deathrattles will too.
Really surprised Blizzard did this. Happy, but surprised. It sorta seems against their ethos somehow.
in the FAQ it states that all random effects like Discover or Unstable Portal or whatever are limited to the cards in the format you are playing
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3cl1ps3I will build a labyrinth to house the cheeseRegistered Userregular
As a newbie struggling to build my card collection, having the only two legendaries I've been able to craft so far being turn obsolete (Boom & Grom (for Patron)), I think I'm pretty pissed about this news. Motherfucker.
Ya I wonder how this will change the tournament scene.
Does MTG have a tournament scene for both types of play, wild and standard?
I tend to hear that there are "banned" cards in MTG tournaments, which tells me that standard is the only real competitive scene due to OP OP plz nerf?
As a newbie struggling to build my card collection, having the only two legendaries I've been able to craft so far being turn obsolete (Boom & Grom (for Patron), I think I'm pretty pissed about this news. Motherfucker.
grom will not rotate out
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3cl1ps3I will build a labyrinth to house the cheeseRegistered Userregular
As a newbie struggling to build my card collection, having the only two legendaries I've been able to craft so far being turn obsolete (Boom & Grom (for Patron), I think I'm pretty pissed about this news. Motherfucker.
Grom's not obsolete, he's from Classic.
At least they gave several months' notice so you can stop crafting GvG cards now!
so for those of you who don't play magic, here's how it works:
Every year or two they release a basic set. The also release 2-3 "expansions" which are cards with a central theme. When you play magic there are several formats. The Standard format is the most recent basic set plus two blocks. As a new year comes, the old sets rotate out. There are also extended, which include more old sets, and then it gets even crazier with vintage and legacy formats. Drafting is like arena.
So standard=standard and wild=vintage.
except since it's digital there won't be a restricted/banned list.
Which blows my mind that as we get closer to MTG we could get a banned list for a digital card game.
Ya I wonder how this will change the tournament scene.
Does MTG have a tournament scene for both types of play, wild and standard?
I tend to hear that there are "banned" cards in MTG tournaments, which tells me that standard is the only real competitive scene due to OP OP plz nerf?
mtg has a tournament scene for:
limited
standard
modern
legacy
vintage
so no, standard is not the only competitive scene at all, despite other formats having bannings
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3cl1ps3I will build a labyrinth to house the cheeseRegistered Userregular
Ya I wonder how this will change the tournament scene.
Does MTG have a tournament scene for both types of play, wild and standard?
I tend to hear that there are "banned" cards in MTG tournaments, which tells me that standard is the only real competitive scene due to OP OP plz nerf?
The announcement says that Standard is the new Official format, so Blizzcon and probably most WCS events will be Standard. Not sure about other tournaments.
As a newbie struggling to build my card collection, having the only two legendaries I've been able to craft so far being turn obsolete (Boom & Grom (for Patron), I think I'm pretty pissed about this news. Motherfucker.
Grom's not obsolete, he's from Classic.
At least they gave several months' notice so you can stop crafting GvG cards now!
I can't come close to building a deck around him that isn't Patron Warrior. BRM is next on the chopping block, and I'm not sure the deck can survive without Death's Bite anyway. So he may not be obsolete, but he will be useless to me soon.
As a newbie struggling to build my card collection, having the only two legendaries I've been able to craft so far being turn obsolete (Boom & Grom (for Patron), I think I'm pretty pissed about this news. Motherfucker.
Grom's not obsolete, he's from Classic.
At least they gave several months' notice so you can stop crafting GvG cards now!
I can't come close to building a deck around him that isn't Patron Warrior. BRM is next on the chopping block, and I'm not sure the deck can survive without Death's Bite anyway. So he may not be obsolete, but he will be useless to me soon.
When we release the first new Expansion each year, every set that wasn’t released in the same year or the year prior will cycle out and no longer be part of the Standard format.
So this means that sets are added to Standard as they are released, and sets are only removed from Standard once a year. For new players this means if you focus your acquisitions on Classic and things from the last year, it should be possible to be mostly caught up with everyone else when they rotate the older stuff out of Standard.
While normally we’re quite conservative about making balance changes to Hearthstone cards (and we’ll continue to be in the future), we’re planning to take the new Hearthstone year as a golden opportunity to re-evaluate a number of cards in the Basic and Classic card sets, including class cards, and make some long-considered adjustments.
Also, this is no doubt going to be mostly buffs to many of the irrelevant and useless basic and classic cards. I don't expect there's much that they're looking to nerf from the old stuff, unless they decide to kill off some of the anti-fun things like BGH.
As a newbie struggling to build my card collection, having the only two legendaries I've been able to craft so far being turn obsolete (Boom & Grom (for Patron)), I think I'm pretty pissed about this news. Motherfucker.
There will still be ranked wild, so you can still play them in ranked
Rotating formats are typically a good thing, however forcing you to craft old cards for Wild format using dust might be really, really shitty if they don't lower dust costs. Basically locking newer players out of the extended formats.
They were sort of locked out anyway because of how hard it is for them to get in now, which only gets worse as more expansions are released. Adding the adventures to that pile is sort of only marginally making it worse.
Besides, the epics/leggos of a lot of the expansions aren't actually that core--Scientist, Healbot, Belcher, and Creeper are the core-est of the Naxx cards, and are all Rare or below, and none of the Naxx legendaries aside from Loatheb are that big. LoE rotating out will be rough since it actually has several runnable legendaries, but eh, they're technically for more niche decks.
Also holy shit no healbot is gonna be WEIRD. Might push Shaman up to the top for control decks because of Healing Wave?
LoE isn't rotating out for two years tho
Uhh, I think LoE rotates out in a year (actually is only 11 months), because then only 2016 and 2017 releases are standard.
But yeah I would honestly consider Patron Warrior to be one of the decks that comes out of this the strongest
Patron, Freeze, Druid, those all feel completely fine about what's happening.
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3cl1ps3I will build a labyrinth to house the cheeseRegistered Userregular
Spring is going to be pretty huge. Overhaul of existing cards, new format, and new expansion, I'm so excited. LoE gave the game new life but this is what it really needed.
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LoE isn't rotating out for two years tho
this is gonna make deckbuilding brawls suck even more for new players tbh
well, yeah
and?
gotta plan for the future
edit: like there's still going to be new/returning hearthstone players in 2 years, probs
Can someone who isn't into MTG explain what this means?
Are all the cards I gathered from Naxx and GvG now useless?
Or is this just for ranked? Or for arena?
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wra
Wild = use all your cards
Standard = use only base + classic + newest sets
edit: both are ranked, you get ranked rewards and can hit legend in either
separate ranks for each ladder
oh
well i mean like
when you have two more years of expansions you can't really say how meaningful LOE will or will not be after all those cards :P
This is a pretty important part of that post as well.
I don't think Reno and Mrrrglton are go away that easily, mang
no sure that's not what i'm getting at
LOE is more than just those two cards and you're still looking at it through the frame of what's good now, and you're saying "well these things that are good will probably remain good"
but there's all these other cards that with two more expansions will still possibly be viable, and there are still effects that could cause THOSE cards to be garbo - what if they print a card that says "healing effects don't work" suddenly reno decks just die the turn they need to reno vs aggro, etc
value propositions on sets that have years to remain in a format are a fool's errand
These will be the sets allowed in Standard (ranked) play:
That means that only the core sets (basic and classic) + the last two adventures + the last two expansions will be able to be used in ranked/casual (standard) play. When a new adventure comes out, the oldest adventure will be kicked out of Standard. When a new expansion hits, the oldest expansion will be kicked out of Standard. All cards can still be used in the Wild playlist.
So you can still use the cards from Naxx and GvG in Wild, but not in Standard (Ranked/Casual) play. Wild will still complete quests and stuff, so you aren't losing much.
if this doesn't mean a force roar nerf we have a problem
You guys think "wild" will sorta become a joke area that most people don't take seriously?
And speaking of shredders, I wonder how deathrattles like that will work. Presumably the discover mechanic will use the standard card set, which would make me think just for consistency the deathrattles will too.
Really surprised Blizzard did this. Happy, but surprised. It sorta seems against their ethos somehow.
It'll be interesting to play standard and adjust to turn 7 not dropping the boom.
in the FAQ it states that all random effects like Discover or Unstable Portal or whatever are limited to the cards in the format you are playing
Uh
if this is true
wow
Does MTG have a tournament scene for both types of play, wild and standard?
I tend to hear that there are "banned" cards in MTG tournaments, which tells me that standard is the only real competitive scene due to OP OP plz nerf?
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wra
grom will not rotate out
Grom's not obsolete, he's from Classic.
At least they gave several months' notice so you can stop crafting GvG cards now!
Every year or two they release a basic set. The also release 2-3 "expansions" which are cards with a central theme. When you play magic there are several formats. The Standard format is the most recent basic set plus two blocks. As a new year comes, the old sets rotate out. There are also extended, which include more old sets, and then it gets even crazier with vintage and legacy formats. Drafting is like arena.
So standard=standard and wild=vintage.
except since it's digital there won't be a restricted/banned list.
Which blows my mind that as we get closer to MTG we could get a banned list for a digital card game.
mtg has a tournament scene for:
limited
standard
modern
legacy
vintage
so no, standard is not the only competitive scene at all, despite other formats having bannings
The announcement says that Standard is the new Official format, so Blizzcon and probably most WCS events will be Standard. Not sure about other tournaments.
I can't come close to building a deck around him that isn't Patron Warrior. BRM is next on the chopping block, and I'm not sure the deck can survive without Death's Bite anyway. So he may not be obsolete, but he will be useless to me soon.
BRM rotates out in a year though
So this means that sets are added to Standard as they are released, and sets are only removed from Standard once a year. For new players this means if you focus your acquisitions on Classic and things from the last year, it should be possible to be mostly caught up with everyone else when they rotate the older stuff out of Standard.
Also, this is no doubt going to be mostly buffs to many of the irrelevant and useless basic and classic cards. I don't expect there's much that they're looking to nerf from the old stuff, unless they decide to kill off some of the anti-fun things like BGH.
Lastly, no GvG means no Dr. Boom.
There will still be ranked wild, so you can still play them in ranked
Spring
The FAQ are fairly comprehensive.
It will not start until at least the next expansion releases
Uhh, I think LoE rotates out in a year (actually is only 11 months), because then only 2016 and 2017 releases are standard.
Patron, Freeze, Druid, those all feel completely fine about what's happening.