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GOP Primary: Mass Hysteria

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  • Regina FongRegina Fong Allons-y, Alonso Registered User regular
    glimmung wrote: »
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    So Trump is backing up about a hundred years in terms of rhetoric, repeating the old Gospel of Wealth lines about how the rich are better people because if you're poor its your own fault, and yet people still like him because they feel like he's a breath of fresh air?

    The cognitive dissonance of it all...

    I'm at the point right now where I simply cannot understand what the massive appeal is anymore.

    Appeal to burning it all down? I guess?

    Trump makes a lot more sense when you realize that many conservatives are very, very stupid.

    My gut reaction is to agree with you, but I'm trying to look at things from a different perspective. One paradox I see again and again is that sometimes seemingly intelligent people, people who excel in STEM fields like medicine for example, are staunchly conservative and will vote for the most transparently incompetent/evil people. I don't want to dismiss people as stupid when they just think differently.


    I 100% blame the internet. It allows anyone and anything to look like legitimate sources, and fact is no longer a thing. Like I can find a large section of the internet that agrees with any stance I'd like to take and then via bias ignore all other sources that disagree with the stance I've taken.

    Like I've had reasonably intelligent people try to tell me that the entire medical profession, all properly trained doctors, are working from a set of lies. That medical doctors are completely incompetent of what they are talking about, and that homeopathic doctors are the ones that know what they are doing. They had all kinds of Internet articles and sources to throw at me, that look and sound very legitimate. Heck I could even get taken in by some of what they were peddling. The internet allows the legitimizing of any stance no matter how thin it's reasoning out factual basis, and can allow folks to "do their own research" through a stack of pure bullshit that agrees with their already existing biases.

    For instance the Trump appeal comes from the pure bullshit that the right wing media machines have been churning out for over a decade. If you look at what he is peddling a lot of it is based on the hyperbole and lies and faulty reasoning and economic principles coming from the right wing media machine for years (like insisting that welfare spending is the problem when welfare spending is like one of the smallest sectors of government spending there is). Even better the right wing media machine hasn't been engaging their opposition in any meaningful or reasoned manner for decades. The information their opponents are giving out isn't wrong because the info is wrong and here's the refutation of that info the info is wrong because the opposition is the one delivering it.

    I don't remember the source where I read it, but I remember reading the climate change deniers were just as likely to be well educated in science than not. The theory for this was that people who are well educated in a STEM field are very capable of doing their own research and if they start from a bias towards denial they are more than capable of finding relatively not-crazy-sounding sources to convince themselves that the science backs them up.

    One of my co-workers is like that brilliant in his field but just does not believe that CO2 could cause climate change.

    I had a conversation with a sonar engineer once who said the same thing about relativity. Like, he understood what I was saying, but he didn't believe that relativity was the reason geo-synchronous satellites have to account for 7 micro-seconds a day of time difference or else their clocks would slowly get de-synched from Earth time.

    Smart guy, helps design the equipment that allows modern submarines to function. But that anti-intellectualism is real.

    What could he have been thinking of when he shot his best friend? What in God's name can he be thinking of now?
  • Santa ClaustrophobiaSanta Claustrophobia Ho Ho Ho Disconnecting from Xbox LIVERegistered User regular
    I say even odds that within the next five days Trump makes a statement about these counter protesters basically saying that, without any irony, he'll make it illegal when he's president.

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  • augustaugust where you come from is gone Registered User regular
    Well I guess this thread title turned out to be right on the money.

  • ElkiElki get busy Moderator, ClubPA Mod Emeritus
    So, if you're planning to hold a nationalist rally in a Chicago campus, maybe don't. Seem quite unfriendly.

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  • chrisnlchrisnl Registered User regular
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ukFAvYP3UU

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  • AgahnimAgahnim Registered User regular
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vOTEbEEwoJg if anyone is interested in a stream of the aftermath

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  • Santa ClaustrophobiaSanta Claustrophobia Ho Ho Ho Disconnecting from Xbox LIVERegistered User regular
    Jeffery Lord, he of the KKK are the real liberals now blames liberals for violence at Trump rallies

    Basically because of the '68 riots there are 'decades' of history of liberals committing violence at political events.


    Christ, what an asshole.

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  • XantomasXantomas Registered User regular
    I love that CNN keeps pointing out that this probably happened because this Chicago college campus is such an ethnically and religiously diverse area. If you can't hold a rally for your candidate in a diverse area MAYBE THAT'S A PROBLEM WHEN RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT!

  • ElkiElki get busy Moderator, ClubPA Mod Emeritus
    Xantomas wrote: »
    I love that CNN keeps pointing out that this probably happened because this Chicago college campus is such an ethnically and religiously diverse area. If you can't hold a rally for your candidate in a diverse area MAYBE THAT'S A PROBLEM WHEN RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT!

    Won't be a problem when America is great again.

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  • LanzLanz ...Za?Registered User regular
    someone at the podium, getting pulled away?

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  • LanzLanz ...Za?Registered User regular
    guys on camera a second ago saying "It's the media's fault!" and "It's your fault!" looking at the local news folks

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  • Santa ClaustrophobiaSanta Claustrophobia Ho Ho Ho Disconnecting from Xbox LIVERegistered User regular
    Lanz wrote: »
    someone at the podium, getting pulled away?

    Somebody ran up to the stage to...do something. Probably shout into 'live' mics. That was probably about a half hour ago.

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  • LanzLanz ...Za?Registered User regular
    Santa Claustrophobia wrote: »
    Lanz wrote: »
    someone at the podium, getting pulled away?

    Somebody ran up to the stage to...do something. Probably shout into 'live' mics. That was probably about a half hour ago.

    Was the Fox 10 feed, is it actually on a delay?

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  • DelzhandDelzhand Agrias Fucking Oaks Registered User, Transition Team regular
    This is a big deal to me. This is the first time, in the public eye, that Trump has "lost". He had to cancel his rally. He couldn't stand up to the pressure. He's a coward when the odds aren't in his favor.

    Sure, he'll spin this as keeping his supporters safe. Sure, he'll use this to stoke the fires of ignorance, he'll blame Chicago minorities.

    But someone put pressure on his strongman acted, and he folded.

    Good.

  • ElkiElki get busy Moderator, ClubPA Mod Emeritus
    Lanz wrote: »
    Santa Claustrophobia wrote: »
    Lanz wrote: »
    someone at the podium, getting pulled away?

    Somebody ran up to the stage to...do something. Probably shout into 'live' mics. That was probably about a half hour ago.

    Was the Fox 10 feed, is it actually on a delay?

    It saw it live on CNN a while back, but now they're mostly doing replays.

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  • ShinyRedKnightShinyRedKnight Registered User regular
    Okay, so I'll add this to my long, long list of dodged bullets . Vote, please, everyone vote. In everything, primaries, general elections, game of the year votes, everything.

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  • Santa ClaustrophobiaSanta Claustrophobia Ho Ho Ho Disconnecting from Xbox LIVERegistered User regular
    Lanz wrote: »
    Santa Claustrophobia wrote: »
    Lanz wrote: »
    someone at the podium, getting pulled away?

    Somebody ran up to the stage to...do something. Probably shout into 'live' mics. That was probably about a half hour ago.

    Was the Fox 10 feed, is it actually on a delay?

    I don't know. I was watching CNN. Right now, the arena has been cleared so there is nothing going on. Now all they have to show are large crowds outside milling around (and hoping for fighting ratings to break out) and replaying the pushing and shoving and people being dragged off from within the last hour.

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    Adding the Chicago police to this is a recipe for disaster of another kind.

    The idea that your vote is a moral statement about you or who you vote for is some backwards ass libertarian nonsense. Your vote is about society. Vote to protect the vulnerable.
  • ElkiElki get busy Moderator, ClubPA Mod Emeritus
    Delzhand wrote: »
    This is a big deal to me. This is the first time, in the public eye, that Trump has "lost". He had to cancel his rally. He couldn't stand up to the pressure. He's a coward when the odds aren't in his favor.

    Sure, he'll spin this as keeping his supporters safe. Sure, he'll use this to stoke the fires of ignorance, he'll blame Chicago minorities.

    But someone put pressure on his strongman acted, and he folded.

    Good.

    I'm not comfortable making any prediction on how this plays out. Well, except one. Young campus leftists in other cities saw this and will want to repeat it.

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  • LanzLanz ...Za?Registered User regular
    Elki wrote: »
    Lanz wrote: »
    Santa Claustrophobia wrote: »
    Lanz wrote: »
    someone at the podium, getting pulled away?

    Somebody ran up to the stage to...do something. Probably shout into 'live' mics. That was probably about a half hour ago.

    Was the Fox 10 feed, is it actually on a delay?

    It saw it live on CNN a while back, but now they're mostly doing replays.

    Thanks Elki :+1:

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  • LanzLanz ...Za?Registered User regular
    enlightenedbum wrote: »
    Adding the Chicago police to this is a recipe for disaster of another kind.

    already seeing them getting into tussles on the Fox 10 feed

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  • ElkiElki get busy Moderator, ClubPA Mod Emeritus
    enlightenedbum wrote: »
    Adding the Chicago police to this is a recipe for disaster of another kind.

    After watching the crowd and protesters go at each other, I'd settle for LAPD.

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  • pirateluigipirateluigi Arr, it be me. Registered User regular
    Good on the CNN hosts for finally telling that secret service guy that he was completely wrong.

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  • XantomasXantomas Registered User regular
    Seems to me like this ended in pretty much a perfect fashion. CNN is reporting that nobody got hurt, nobody arrested, it was chaos for like 15 minutes after the event was canceled and then the Chicago PD flooded in and evacuated everybody.

  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    I can't imagine this not helping Trump by making it easier for him to appeal to "law and order" type people.
    CNN is reporting that nobody got hurt
    The definition of "hurt" for the news media and Trump seem to be very different from the definition I use.

  • yossarian_livesyossarian_lives Registered User regular
    Trump in on MSNBC right now talking about how dangerous the protesters are. God help us if he gets the nomination, because then this would only be the beginning.

    "I see everything twice!"


  • Harry DresdenHarry Dresden Registered User regular
    edited March 2016
    yossarian_lives wrote: »
    Trump in on MSNBC right now talking about how dangerous the protesters are. God help us if he gets the nomination, because then this would only be the beginning.

    What worries me is that this may escalate before the primary is over. :(

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  • Regina FongRegina Fong Allons-y, Alonso Registered User regular
    CNN interviewees comparing Trump to George Wallace now.

    Accurate.

    What could he have been thinking of when he shot his best friend? What in God's name can he be thinking of now?
  • LanzLanz ...Za?Registered User regular
    Somethign light and comical during... this.







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  • Santa ClaustrophobiaSanta Claustrophobia Ho Ho Ho Disconnecting from Xbox LIVERegistered User regular
    Yeah! Totes the protestors fault for showing up. They should just shut up, lie back, and ta- Hmm. Maybe we need to review something. Maybe we'll figure it out.

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  • LanzLanz ...Za?Registered User regular
    Think I just heard "Bernie Sanders come down here" on the Fox feed?

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  • MilskiMilski Poyo! Registered User regular
    Santa Claustrophobia wrote: »
    Yeah! Totes the protestors fault for showing up. They should just shut up, lie back, and ta- Hmm. Maybe we need to review something. Maybe we'll figure it out.

    As far as I can tell the protestors *did* start the violence in this case.

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  • AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    milski wrote: »
    Santa Claustrophobia wrote: »
    Yeah! Totes the protestors fault for showing up. They should just shut up, lie back, and ta- Hmm. Maybe we need to review something. Maybe we'll figure it out.

    As far as I can tell the protestors *did* start the violence in this case.

    With everything going on these past few months, Chicago feels like a fire in search of a cow.

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited March 2016
    Trump wanted this response, now he can talk about how his supporters are being bullied by the other and it's time to kill. It's why he caved quickly.

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    The idea that your vote is a moral statement about you or who you vote for is some backwards ass libertarian nonsense. Your vote is about society. Vote to protect the vulnerable.
  • yossarian_livesyossarian_lives Registered User regular
    milski wrote: »
    Santa Claustrophobia wrote: »
    Yeah! Totes the protestors fault for showing up. They should just shut up, lie back, and ta- Hmm. Maybe we need to review something. Maybe we'll figure it out.

    As far as I can tell the protestors *did* start the violence in this case.
    Bullshit, Trump is 100% responsible for this. He drew up a coalition of white supremacists to empower his campaign. He has encouraged violence and used violent rhetoric at previous events. It's his fault, his responsibility.

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  • ElkiElki get busy Moderator, ClubPA Mod Emeritus
    So, a long build up in the making, with the straw being the sucker punch is my reading of it.

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  • ElkiElki get busy Moderator, ClubPA Mod Emeritus
    milski wrote: »
    Santa Claustrophobia wrote: »
    Yeah! Totes the protestors fault for showing up. They should just shut up, lie back, and ta- Hmm. Maybe we need to review something. Maybe we'll figure it out.

    As far as I can tell the protestors *did* start the violence in this case.

    Protesters were disruptive, but I couldn't actually tell who started what, and there were too many skirmishes happening all over the place. We could assume a good mix.

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  • MilskiMilski Poyo! Registered User regular
    edited March 2016
    yossarian_lives wrote: »
    milski wrote: »
    Santa Claustrophobia wrote: »
    Yeah! Totes the protestors fault for showing up. They should just shut up, lie back, and ta- Hmm. Maybe we need to review something. Maybe we'll figure it out.

    As far as I can tell the protestors *did* start the violence in this case.
    Bullshit, Trump is 100% responsible for this. He drew up a coalition of white supremacists to empower his campaign. He has encouraged violence and used violent rhetoric at previous events. It's his fault, his responsibility.

    I am not saying that Trump did not set the kindling down, but the spark absolutely included protesters engaging in (physically) unprovoked violence. Nobody looks good here.

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  • AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    Elki wrote: »
    So, a long build up in the making, with the straw being the sucker punch is my reading of it.

    Chicago is in a bit of a crisis at the moment, though - the legitimacy of the current city government is...in question.

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  • kaleeditykaleedity Sometimes science is more art than science Registered User regular
    edited March 2016
    doesn't look like anything catastrophic happened in the scuffles

    st louis police say 32 arrests according to nbc chicago nevermind the article live updated stuff from st louis earlier today

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