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Election Season: More Argument than Duck Season v. Rabbit Season
PwnanObrienHe's right, life sucks.Registered Userregular
Pretty sure I was advocating for no longer running a series of Southern primaries first because it's a deliberate attempt to weed out actual progressive candidates post-George McGovern. Please, keep framing it as if I don't want the south to vote at all though.
Honestly at this point I think it would be more fair just to pick the order of primaries at random. Roll some dice or draw cards to see who goes first since apparently that's already part of the process. Maybe we can put all the states in a big bingo hopper and draw names like it's the Royal Rumble.
I'd be down for any primary system change that knocks iowa and new hampshire down a couple pegs
they smug as hell about going first
Kwoaru on
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BaidolI will hold him offEscape while you canRegistered Userregular
I'd be down for a schedule where states with relatively few delegates representing varied geographical regions went earlier. New Hampshire and Iowa can keep their ball, but let's throw in Idaho and New Mexico and Mississipi.
the shittier your state is the earlier you get to pick
then we get cool media coverage like "man Wyoming just set their water treatment facility on fire, they are definitely playing for a pick this offseason"
I think you'd just have Florida go first every year at that point.
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PwnanObrienHe's right, life sucks.Registered Userregular
Yeah, I mean ideally there would be some weighted measures to which states go first to get the broadest representation of each party.
...but at this point it would be better than what we're currently doing to settle it like I do picking a game to play on Steam. Dump all the options in a random.org list and roll until the joke option's on the bottom of the list so you can't just keep rolling to get a desired outcome. Sorry Florida.
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PwnanObrienHe's right, life sucks.Registered Userregular
Damnit. Ghosted on shitting on Florida...
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MrMonroepassed outon the floor nowRegistered Userregular
Or, crazy idea, a rotating regional primary for each party that splits the country into roughly co-equal population groups and has them all vote on the same day.
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Looootta talk in the news today about a contested repub convention
They still gotta keep trump from sweeping the rest of the states. I think trump still needs like 60% of the remaining delegates? But it's within reach thanks to Ohio and would've been a hell of a lot easier if Rubio could've carried his own home state.
Looootta talk in the news today about a contested repub convention
Wow, yeah there is. Googled "contested convention" and there are a lot of hits from the past few hours. Laughably, the very first hit is "Trump, Cruz vow to barricade Kasich from convention."
i don't think it will be contested if Cruz continues to have really close 2nd place finished. The GOP isn't going to go nuclear so they can install the guy they hate the second-most.
There's a lot of mysticism about where the not-insubstantial Rubio coalition goes, and that will shape the rest of the primary.
Demographically, many Rubio voters are Kasich voters too
However, there is polling to indicate the majority of Rubio's vote goes to Cruz or stays home
I just saw fox news arguing that Hillary is weak because all of bernies voters are are young and young people will all vote for trump
Its weird to see just how much fox lies
Its completely insane
Horrible racist young people will for sure. After listening to that Sameer goose on Unpopular opinion I realized that there's a large segment of 1st gen immigrant kids and second gen children of immigrants in their 20's that are just terrible people . The " Got mine fuck anyone else" voting group as I call it.
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BaidolI will hold him offEscape while you canRegistered Userregular
Looootta talk in the news today about a contested repub convention
They still gotta keep trump from sweeping the rest of the states. I think trump still needs like 60% of the remaining delegates? But it's within reach thanks to Ohio and would've been a hell of a lot easier if Rubio could've carried his own home state.
We are certainly closer to a contested convention than we have been in a while, but Trump still has a good shot at just making it over the 50% of delegates threshold, mostly due to how each state awards its delegates.
For example, in Illinois, Trump won just under 39% of the vote, but is being awarded 71% of the delegates right now because delegates are awarded based on who wins each congressional district and who wins the statewide vote. In a straight-up proportional distribution system, Trump's lead would be smaller.
also if Kasich somehow wins or comes extremely close in Pennsylvania, hold onto your butts, because I think that will raise a big Contested Convention alarm in the party. Because having a guy who is popular-against-all-odds in OH and PA is general election gold
also if Kasich somehow wins or comes extremely close in Pennsylvania, hold onto your butts, because I think that will raise a big Contested Convention alarm in the party. Because having a guy who is popular-against-all-odds in OH and PA is general election gold
How's he polling there?
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BaidolI will hold him offEscape while you canRegistered Userregular
Trump ahead, but no major polls since early March.
also if Kasich somehow wins or comes extremely close in Pennsylvania, hold onto your butts, because I think that will raise a big Contested Convention alarm in the party. Because having a guy who is popular-against-all-odds in OH and PA is general election gold
As a PA resident Kasich seems awful but less than the establishment candidates because he hates is party as much as I do. I wouldn't vote for him but I'd feel less worried about the world if he somehow won as opposed to the rest of those guys
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sanders has definitely inherited a lot of the young ron paul crowd
In spirit if not in actual votes, because dear god I hope vocal Ron Paul supporters learned something over the course of 8-12 years.
when young white male libertarians get a bat taken to their head by life experience they tend to go all the way over to the far left
so, possibly
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BaidolI will hold him offEscape while you canRegistered Userregular
Trump needs 56% of the remaining Republic delegates to get the nomination on the first ballot. That sounds like a great deal, but most of the remaining states are winner-take-all or close to it, so if Trump continues to top vote totals (even at 40%), he'll have the nomination, particularly if he wins California.
Trump needs 56% of the remaining Republic delegates to get the nomination on the first ballot. That sounds like a great deal, but most of the remaining states are winner-take-all or close to it, so if Trump continues to top vote totals (even at 40%), he'll have the nomination, particularly if he wins California.
I guess the question is does Kasich get all those Rubio voters. If so he'll definitely contend in PA like Jasc was saying, and he'll probably do well in other swing states.
Personally although I'm terrified of the thought of president trump I kind of hope he gets the nod and gets annihilated in the general. The only problem is that second part has to happen or we're fucked.
Looootta talk in the news today about a contested repub convention
They still gotta keep trump from sweeping the rest of the states. I think trump still needs like 60% of the remaining delegates? But it's within reach thanks to Ohio and would've been a hell of a lot easier if Rubio could've carried his own home state.
Trump needs 56% of the remaining Republic delegates to get the nomination on the first ballot. That sounds like a great deal, but most of the remaining states are winner-take-all or close to it, so if Trump continues to top vote totals (even at 40%), he'll have the nomination, particularly if he wins California.
I guess the question is does Kasich get all those Rubio voters. If so he'll definitely contend in PA like Jasc was saying, and he'll probably do well in other swing states.
Personally although I'm terrified of the thought of president trump I kind of hope he gets the nod and gets annihilated in the general. The only problem is that second part has to happen or we're fucked.
Well, yeah, but that's why I'm looking forward to it. Confronting your darkest aspects is hard. I want this election to not just be a win, but a crushing win. If you ever daydreamed as a kid about standing against the darkness and emerging victorious, now's your shot. Everyone has skin in the game this time.
sanders has definitely inherited a lot of the young ron paul crowd
In spirit if not in actual votes, because dear god I hope vocal Ron Paul supporters learned something over the course of 8-12 years.
when young white male libertarians get a bat taken to their head by life experience they tend to go all the way over to the far left
so, possibly
Do they?
yeah
libertarians either stay that way forever or take a hard left swing sometime in their twenties
for the most part, anyway, and I couldn't tell you what the proportion looks like
but yeah there is a not-insignificant number of honest progressive and socialist supporters of Bernie who are reformed libertarians and Paul supporters
sanders has definitely inherited a lot of the young ron paul crowd
In spirit if not in actual votes, because dear god I hope vocal Ron Paul supporters learned something over the course of 8-12 years.
when young white male libertarians get a bat taken to their head by life experience they tend to go all the way over to the far left
so, possibly
Do they?
yeah
libertarians either stay that way forever or take a hard left swing sometime in their twenties
for the most part, anyway, and I couldn't tell you what the proportion looks like
but yeah there is a not-insignificant number of honest progressive and socialist supporters of Bernie who are reformed libertarians and Paul supporters
Teenage Libertarian swings Hard Left in his 20's fits my own narrative pretty well. Although I was more of a Teenage Anarchist who thought Libertarianism was a socially acceptable compromise.
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Honestly at this point I think it would be more fair just to pick the order of primaries at random. Roll some dice or draw cards to see who goes first since apparently that's already part of the process. Maybe we can put all the states in a big bingo hopper and draw names like it's the Royal Rumble.
they smug as hell about going first
the shittier your state is the earlier you get to pick
then we get cool media coverage like "man Wyoming just set their water treatment facility on fire, they are definitely playing for a pick this offseason"
we also talk about other random shit and clown upon each other
...but at this point it would be better than what we're currently doing to settle it like I do picking a game to play on Steam. Dump all the options in a random.org list and roll until the joke option's on the bottom of the list so you can't just keep rolling to get a desired outcome. Sorry Florida.
Heh
alright, Barry
Its weird to see just how much fox lies
Its completely insane
They're not even trying to sound like they're making sense at this point.
It'd be great, but i don't think it's happening.
They still gotta keep trump from sweeping the rest of the states. I think trump still needs like 60% of the remaining delegates? But it's within reach thanks to Ohio and would've been a hell of a lot easier if Rubio could've carried his own home state.
Wow, yeah there is. Googled "contested convention" and there are a lot of hits from the past few hours. Laughably, the very first hit is "Trump, Cruz vow to barricade Kasich from convention."
There's a lot of mysticism about where the not-insubstantial Rubio coalition goes, and that will shape the rest of the primary.
Demographically, many Rubio voters are Kasich voters too
However, there is polling to indicate the majority of Rubio's vote goes to Cruz or stays home
we also talk about other random shit and clown upon each other
Horrible racist young people will for sure. After listening to that Sameer goose on Unpopular opinion I realized that there's a large segment of 1st gen immigrant kids and second gen children of immigrants in their 20's that are just terrible people . The " Got mine fuck anyone else" voting group as I call it.
We are certainly closer to a contested convention than we have been in a while, but Trump still has a good shot at just making it over the 50% of delegates threshold, mostly due to how each state awards its delegates.
For example, in Illinois, Trump won just under 39% of the vote, but is being awarded 71% of the delegates right now because delegates are awarded based on who wins each congressional district and who wins the statewide vote. In a straight-up proportional distribution system, Trump's lead would be smaller.
we also talk about other random shit and clown upon each other
How's he polling there?
Ryan also said he won't accept the nom.
A fun fantasy being thrown around. In a contested convention, as a delegate, you can vote for whoever the hell you want once you are unbound.
As a PA resident Kasich seems awful but less than the establishment candidates because he hates is party as much as I do. I wouldn't vote for him but I'd feel less worried about the world if he somehow won as opposed to the rest of those guys
I think Kasich can challenge there
we also talk about other random shit and clown upon each other
when young white male libertarians get a bat taken to their head by life experience they tend to go all the way over to the far left
so, possibly
Do they?
I guess the question is does Kasich get all those Rubio voters. If so he'll definitely contend in PA like Jasc was saying, and he'll probably do well in other swing states.
Personally although I'm terrified of the thought of president trump I kind of hope he gets the nod and gets annihilated in the general. The only problem is that second part has to happen or we're fucked.
I did
53% of the remaining after last night.
Well, yeah, but that's why I'm looking forward to it. Confronting your darkest aspects is hard. I want this election to not just be a win, but a crushing win. If you ever daydreamed as a kid about standing against the darkness and emerging victorious, now's your shot. Everyone has skin in the game this time.
yeah
libertarians either stay that way forever or take a hard left swing sometime in their twenties
for the most part, anyway, and I couldn't tell you what the proportion looks like
but yeah there is a not-insignificant number of honest progressive and socialist supporters of Bernie who are reformed libertarians and Paul supporters
*raises hand* yo.
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as a resident of Iowa I can assure you that most of us are mostly just tired