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Coup d'etat attempt in Turkey

ThetherooThetheroo Registered User regular
edited July 2016 in Social Entropy++
There is currently a coup underway in Turkey






Bridges to Istanbul are shut and there are reports of shots being fired in Ankara

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    EncEnc A Fool with Compassion Pronouns: He, Him, HisRegistered User regular
    There are reports that the military's helicopters unloaded on the Turkey MIT building (their FBI equivalent, I believe).

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    Baroque And RollBaroque And Roll Every spark of friendship and love Will die without a homeRegistered User regular
    What in the hell

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    ZoelZoel I suppose... I'd put it on Registered User regular
    edited July 2016
    telegraph live thread is reporting that it's currently police vs. military right now

    which would be bad odds maybe I guess?

    This is their live thing

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/15/turkey-low-flying-jets-and-gunfire-heard-in-ankara1/

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    Grey GhostGrey Ghost Registered User regular
    What the fuck

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    ThetherooThetheroo Registered User regular
    edited July 2016


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    Grey GhostGrey Ghost Registered User regular
    "All existing foreign relations will continue"
    Uhhhhh kinda not your call to make, bros????

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    JoeUserJoeUser Forum Santa Registered User regular

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    BroloBrolo Broseidon Lord of the BroceanRegistered User regular




    confusion all around

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    GundiGundi Serious Bismuth Registered User regular
    I hope the state department or the president makes some official statements pretty goddamn soon. I want to know if the coup's actually been successful, and what actions, if any, the US might consider in response to this.

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    GumpyGumpy There is always a greater powerRegistered User regular
    You know? Fuck it

    I don't even know if I can keep up with 2016 at the moment

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    wirehead26wirehead26 Registered User regular
    Apparently this isn't the first attempted military coup in Turkey.

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    BroloBrolo Broseidon Lord of the BroceanRegistered User regular
    Gundi wrote: »
    I hope the state department or the president makes some official statements pretty goddamn soon. I want to know if the coup's actually been successful, and what actions, if any, the US might consider in response to this.

    I am hoping America stays the fuck out of this.

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    GumpyGumpy There is always a greater powerRegistered User regular
    This is the... fifth Turkish coup since WW2?

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    PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular
    Brolo wrote: »
    Gundi wrote: »
    I hope the state department or the president makes some official statements pretty goddamn soon. I want to know if the coup's actually been successful, and what actions, if any, the US might consider in response to this.

    I am hoping America stays the fuck out of this.

    erdogan has been pretty close to america so...

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    wirehead26wirehead26 Registered User regular
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    Brolo wrote: »
    Gundi wrote: »
    I hope the state department or the president makes some official statements pretty goddamn soon. I want to know if the coup's actually been successful, and what actions, if any, the US might consider in response to this.

    I am hoping America stays the fuck out of this.

    erdogan has been pretty close to america so...

    And he's a pretty popular elected figure in Turkey?

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    Der Waffle MousDer Waffle Mous Blame this on the misfortune of your birth. New Yark, New Yark.Registered User regular
    edited July 2016
    wirehead26 wrote: »
    Apparently this isn't the first attempted military coup in Turkey.

    No, if anything we were way overdue for one considering there was one roughly every decade since 1960 and the last one was in 1997...

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    rhylithrhylith Death Rabbits HoustonRegistered User regular
    Brolo wrote: »
    Gundi wrote: »
    I hope the state department or the president makes some official statements pretty goddamn soon. I want to know if the coup's actually been successful, and what actions, if any, the US might consider in response to this.

    I am hoping America stays the fuck out of this.

    This is gonna be really weird because Turkey is a US ally and a NATO member. I don't know how they approach this.

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    GundiGundi Serious Bismuth Registered User regular
    edited July 2016
    Brolo wrote: »
    Gundi wrote: »
    I hope the state department or the president makes some official statements pretty goddamn soon. I want to know if the coup's actually been successful, and what actions, if any, the US might consider in response to this.

    I am hoping America stays the fuck out of this.
    America's not going to stay out of it. We have military bases in Turkey. If the coup is totally successful hopefully we won't take direct military action at least. In the case of a successful coup, I think that at best we're going to temporarily beef up our military presence around Turkey to strengthen our bargaining position with a new government.

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    KwoaruKwoaru Confident Smirk Flawless Golden PecsRegistered User regular
    Kwoaru wrote: »
    Yeah so how would this work with the whole nato thing

    And the wanting to be part of the eu thing

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    GumpyGumpy There is always a greater powerRegistered User regular
    Apparently in previous instances of Turkey having a coup NATO hasn't gotten involved - It's an internal matter

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    wirehead26wirehead26 Registered User regular
    rhylith wrote: »
    Brolo wrote: »
    Gundi wrote: »
    I hope the state department or the president makes some official statements pretty goddamn soon. I want to know if the coup's actually been successful, and what actions, if any, the US might consider in response to this.

    I am hoping America stays the fuck out of this.

    This is gonna be really weird because Turkey is a US ally and a NATO member. I don't know how they approach this.

    How did we approach it before? What's different today besides ISIL?

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    PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular
    wirehead26 wrote: »
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    Brolo wrote: »
    Gundi wrote: »
    I hope the state department or the president makes some official statements pretty goddamn soon. I want to know if the coup's actually been successful, and what actions, if any, the US might consider in response to this.

    I am hoping America stays the fuck out of this.

    erdogan has been pretty close to america so...

    And he's a pretty popular elected figure in Turkey?

    mixed bag

    he's a populist but is also popular in the west and has good relations with the EU and the states despite being Sunni, which pisses off a lot of other Sunni

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    Dongs GaloreDongs Galore Registered User regular
    wirehead26 wrote: »
    rhylith wrote: »
    Brolo wrote: »
    Gundi wrote: »
    I hope the state department or the president makes some official statements pretty goddamn soon. I want to know if the coup's actually been successful, and what actions, if any, the US might consider in response to this.

    I am hoping America stays the fuck out of this.

    This is gonna be really weird because Turkey is a US ally and a NATO member. I don't know how they approach this.

    How did we approach it before? What's different today besides ISIL?

    I'm pretty sure half the time we were usually backing the coup one way or another

    Turkey borders the USSR after all

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    PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular
    wirehead26 wrote: »
    rhylith wrote: »
    Brolo wrote: »
    Gundi wrote: »
    I hope the state department or the president makes some official statements pretty goddamn soon. I want to know if the coup's actually been successful, and what actions, if any, the US might consider in response to this.

    I am hoping America stays the fuck out of this.

    This is gonna be really weird because Turkey is a US ally and a NATO member. I don't know how they approach this.

    How did we approach it before? What's different today besides ISIL?

    the obama admins raging drone erection?

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    ThetherooThetheroo Registered User regular
    While Turkey is a US ally Erdogan himself isn't exactly, from my limited understanding

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    honoverehonovere Registered User regular
    I don't think any countntry is going to anything for now as long as foreign military bases and diplomats are being left alone. Internal matter for now.

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    Der Waffle MousDer Waffle Mous Blame this on the misfortune of your birth. New Yark, New Yark.Registered User regular
    Most of my knowledge of Edrogan is he's kinda an authoritarian shithead who's been using the situation in Syria as an excuse to pursue a vendetta against the Kurds, which just contributes to the Syria problem.

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    rhylithrhylith Death Rabbits HoustonRegistered User regular
    Der Waffle Mous wrote: »
    Most of my knowledge of Edrogan is he's kinda an authoritarian shithead who's been using the situation in Syria as an excuse to pursue a vendetta against the Kurds, which just contributes to the Syria problem.

    He also led some pretty brutal crackdowns on protesters who were against the demolition of a park a few years ago. That was the first time I had really heard of him.

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    ThetherooThetheroo Registered User regular
    I've heard that Erdogan has left the country and that he is in Marmaris.

    So it's still a bunch of confusion

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    Der Waffle MousDer Waffle Mous Blame this on the misfortune of your birth. New Yark, New Yark.Registered User regular
    Kinda in a situation of "Coup bad but.... fuck Edrogan"

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    honoverehonovere Registered User regular
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    wirehead26 wrote: »
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    Brolo wrote: »
    Gundi wrote: »
    I hope the state department or the president makes some official statements pretty goddamn soon. I want to know if the coup's actually been successful, and what actions, if any, the US might consider in response to this.

    I am hoping America stays the fuck out of this.

    erdogan has been pretty close to america so...

    And he's a pretty popular elected figure in Turkey?

    mixed bag

    he's a populist but is also popular in the west and has good relations with the EU and the states despite being Sunni, which pisses off a lot of other Sunni

    Good relationship with Europe is pushing it. Probably treated more as a necessity because of the middle east and the refugee crisis

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    JavenJaven Registered User regular
    Turkey had also been (and still was, to me knowledge) being used as a staging area for US airstrikes against ISIS. Which I imagine will come to a swift stop.

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    bwaniebwanie Posting into the void Registered User regular
    Erdogan is a fucking tyrant plain and simple. He is also responsible for the de-secularisation that has been happening which i see as a very bad thing.

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    GumpyGumpy There is always a greater powerRegistered User regular
    bwanie wrote: »
    Erdogan is a fucking tyrant plain and simple. He is also responsible for the de-secularisation that has been happening which i see as a very bad thing.

    Apparently the military agrees with you

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    Dongs GaloreDongs Galore Registered User regular
    The military has always been wary of Erdogan and AKP because of their Islamist background. The Ataturk constitution is aggressively secular and republican, and the Army has historically taken "defending the constitution" to include stifling Islamist political power.
    Javen wrote: »
    Turkey had also been (and still was, to me knowledge) being used as a staging area for US airstrikes against ISIS. Which I imagine will come to a swift stop.

    Depends strongly on which side the coup is coming from. It's possible they consider Erdogan to have been too soft and equivocal about dealing with ISIS. (it's also possible they don't care about IS and want to focus on smacking down the Kurds instead)

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    wirehead26wirehead26 Registered User regular
    Javen wrote: »
    Turkey had also been (and still was, to me knowledge) being used as a staging area for US airstrikes against ISIS. Which I imagine will come to a swift stop.

    I don't know it seems like the Turkish and US military are on the same page with that?

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    ZoelZoel I suppose... I'd put it on Registered User regular
    Javen wrote: »
    Turkey had also been (and still was, to me knowledge) being used as a staging area for US airstrikes against ISIS. Which I imagine will come to a swift stop.

    CNN is making a note that there's a standing policy that the US doesn't deal with leadership of military coups, but saying It's kind of a who knows what they'll decide

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    PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular
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    V1mV1m Registered User regular
    edited July 2016
    honovere wrote: »
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    wirehead26 wrote: »
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    Brolo wrote: »
    Gundi wrote: »
    I hope the state department or the president makes some official statements pretty goddamn soon. I want to know if the coup's actually been successful, and what actions, if any, the US might consider in response to this.

    I am hoping America stays the fuck out of this.

    erdogan has been pretty close to america so...

    And he's a pretty popular elected figure in Turkey?

    mixed bag

    he's a populist but is also popular in the west and has good relations with the EU and the states despite being Sunni, which pisses off a lot of other Sunni

    Good relationship with Europe is pushing it. Probably treated more as a necessity because of the middle east and the refugee crisis

    Yeah he's by no means popular in Europe. He's been pushing Turkey from "a more or less secucular, basically democratic republic" to "theocratic dictatorship in all but name" step by step as fast as he could. Turkey's military has always seen itself as the guardian of Ataturk's secular legacy, and every time an Erdogan pops up in Turkey, they kick him out, run the place for a few years and then eventually gradually restore civil institutions.

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    V1mV1m Registered User regular
    Javen wrote: »
    Turkey had also been (and still was, to me knowledge) being used as a staging area for US airstrikes against ISIS. Which I imagine will come to a swift stop.

    Why? ISIS are the antithesis of what Turkey's military establishment want.

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