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The [Movies] Thread in Which We Don't Accidentally Spoil Movies, Goddammit

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  • ElJeffeElJeffe Registered User, ClubPA regular
    gjaustin wrote: »
    Knight_ wrote: »
    Maps pretty cleanly onto fear of the other, which is central to a lot of geopolitics right now.
    Yes, that's an aspect of the moral the allegory is trying to teach.

    But who do the predators represent? What social movement is it supposed to be a direct commentary on? There's too many contradictory aspects to settle on a single one.

    It's an amalgamation intended to teach base principles, not convince you to join a specific movement.

    I recall a lot of commentary on Zootopia that tried to force the allegory into a direct commentary on, say, Black Lives Matter, or blacks, or Hispanics, or slavery. And then criticized the movie because it didn't map perfectly.

    Yeah, they kind of missed the point.

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  • Commander ZoomCommander Zoom Registered User regular
    much like Marvel's mutants (at their best, which isn't always), they represent whoever you want or need them to.

  • italianranmaitalianranma Registered User regular
    Hexmage-PA wrote: »
    The first screening of Shin Gojira (aka Godzilla Resurgence), the new Japanese Godzilla (written by Neon Genesis Evangelion creator Hideaki Anno) was shown in Japan yesterday, and since then a lot of news has started flooding in...with some of the movie's alleged details being really weird.

    this is my utter lack of surprise.

    Being from the creator of Eva, I find it amusing that the movie title's shorthand is Shin-G.

    Not to be that kind of pedantic nerd, but I do have a linguistics/Japanese degree that I need to justify. Names in Japanese media often do have deeper meaning, but this is a case of a false homonym. The Shin (新) in Shin Gojira (which is the same as Shin Seiki Evangelion) means new as was pointed out. Shinji's name is spelled in katagana which is unusual for a Japanese protagonist and makes deciphering the meaning behind his name ambiguous. It could be 新字 "new character" but most people take it as 信じ as in 信じる "to believe". 新時 as in New Age I think is also a good theory, but it's a little non-standard. Regardless the shorthand for Gojira would use the whole syllabary e.i. Shin-Go, which makes the whole argument moot.

    That's all. I'll go shuffle off back to the corner now.

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  • Brainiac 8Brainiac 8 Don't call me Shirley... Registered User regular
    edited July 2016
    I tried to watch Zoolander 2 because I kind of like most of the first one.

    It was pure crap, like so bad I just stopped watching it which is not something I usually do. It was just violently unfunny. So disappointing.

    On the other hand The Intern was fantastic. Just a good natured and enjoyable movie.

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    Brainiac 8 wrote: »
    I tried to watch Zoolander 2 because I kind of like most of the first one.

    It was pure crap, like so bad I just stopped watching it which is not something I usually do. It was just violently unfunny. So disappointing.

    On the other hand The Intern was fantastic. Just a good natured and enjoyable movie.
    Brainiac 8 wrote: »
    I tried to watch Zoolander 2 because I kind of like most of the first one.

    It was pure crap, like so bad I just stopped watching it which is not something I usually do. It was just violently unfunny. So disappointing.

    On the other hand The Intern was fantastic. Just a good natured and enjoyable movie.

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  • emnmnmeemnmnme Registered User regular
    Hail, Caesar! is only two-thirds of a movie. Three subplots get resolved off-camera with only two or three sentences for explanations; I haven't felt this cheated about an ending since A Serious Man.

  • ThirithThirith Registered User regular
    edited July 2016
    While I really liked The Lobster for its originality and humour, I absolutely agree with the reviewers that say the second half is something of a letdown. Still great ideas, but they simply don't come together as well as in the first half. In any case, I can safely say that bleakly funny Colin Farrell is my favourite Colin Farrell.

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  • wanderingwandering Russia state-affiliated media Registered User regular
    edited July 2016
    The ending to A Serious Man is fantastic! It is a movie about uncertainty. A tidy ending that explained everything and wrapped everything up perfectly would go against the movie's theme.

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  • Atlas in ChainsAtlas in Chains Registered User regular
    edited July 2016
    TexiKen wrote: »
    Four trailers for movies this year showed brilliance:

    Deadpool
    London Has Fallen
    TMNT 2
    Sercret Lives of Pets

    Three of those films delivered hella strong, and Pets just had to Britta a perfect 4/4 showing

    Man, TMNT 2 sucked and it would have been sooooooo easy to fix. Do like the trailer and play "It's Tricky" for 90% of the run time. I went to that movie with no expectations except that "It's Tricky" would play during the freeway fight. What a letdown.

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  • DuffelDuffel jacobkosh Registered User regular
    wandering wrote: »
    The ending to A Serious Man is fantastic! It is a movie about uncertainty. A tidy ending that explained everything and wrapped everything up perfectly would go against the movie's theme.

    To be completely fair the ending of the book of Job, on which ASM is substantially based, has been leaving rabbis, priests, scholars, and readers in general confused and frustrated for over 2000 years.

  • JRoseyJRosey Registered User regular
    Watched Sunshine for the fiftieth time to celebrate my newest tattoo. Still love every second of glorious light and dark. Third act is not as bad as the haters say, holds up surprisingly well for its age. Still my favorite Chris Evans role.
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  • MvrckMvrck Dwarven MountainhomeRegistered User regular
    Thirith wrote: »
    While I really liked The Lobster for its originality and humour, I absolutely agree with the reviewers that say the second half is something of a letdown. Still great ideas, but they simply don't come together as well as in the first half. In any case, I can safely say that bleakly funny Colin Farrell is my favourite Colin Farrell.

    Yeah, the film really kinda died out. Of course, on the other hand, my one buddy who skews really hard Libertarian absolutely loved the ending. So maybe it was a different target audience?

  • Dark Raven XDark Raven X Laugh hard, run fast, be kindRegistered User regular
    I gotta rewatch Sunshine. I don't remember much of it, short of Benedict Wong being great and there's a terrifying sound effect for a distress signal.

    Oh brilliant
  • Hexmage-PAHexmage-PA Registered User regular
    Godzilla Resurgence: The Kotaku Review

    A less than glowing review for the new Japanese Godzilla. It appears the movie primarily focuses on the politicians responding to the threat of Godzilla, who here is a stand-in for both natural disasters and foreign aggression.

  • Rhan9Rhan9 Registered User regular
    JRosey wrote: »
    Watched Sunshine for the fiftieth time to celebrate my newest tattoo. Still love every second of glorious light and dark. Third act is not as bad as the haters say, holds up surprisingly well for its age. Still my favorite Chris Evans role.
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    I just watched Event Horizon again, recently. Not quite the same, but y'know, sorta kinda similar.

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  • Dug DangerDug Danger Registered User regular
    I love Sunshine. That is all

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  • ScratchyScratchy Registered User regular
    Event Horizon is one of my favorite movies ever. Did a scary netflix movie night with the family a few weeks ago and rewatched that after The Abandoned just left us all pretty bleh. The Abandoned actually starts out pretty decent. Lost all of it's steam once "the baddie" was shown and it commits the most horrible crime against cinema/writing/anything in general at the end.
    Fuck it, it was all a coma dream before you died. Screw you audience. We had no idea where we were going with this.

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  • Regina FongRegina Fong Allons-y, Alonso Registered User regular
    Science Fiction films that lacked enough courage so had to become horror films is possibly my second least favorite film genre behind disaster films.

    This has been your daily wet blanket.

  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    The latest Bourne is apparently not very good, this is my shocked face, you'd see it for half a second before the camera shows you a potted plant and then Sean Bean mid orgasm.

    I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.

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  • TexiKenTexiKen Dammit! That fish really got me!Registered User regular
    I had a friend in Vegas earlier this year when they were filming the Vegas scenes for Bourne 5 as seen in the trailer, and she was talking about how all the production crew seemed to be at the tables during the day because it was night scenes. So I guess Vegas got their money's worth with film credits there a hyuck hyuck.

    I kinda wanna see it, but I'd rather see that new Mechanic movie, despite Alba being in it, but that ain't playing for another month what up with that Statham could totally beat up Damon. And Wild Card is a good decent Statham Vegas movie watch it please ok thank you

  • MalReynoldsMalReynolds The Hunter S Thompson of incredibly mild medicines Registered User regular
    Science Fiction films that lacked enough courage so had to become horror films is possibly my second least favorite film genre behind disaster films.

    This has been your daily wet blanket.

    What movie has done this?

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  • Regina FongRegina Fong Allons-y, Alonso Registered User regular
    Science Fiction films that lacked enough courage so had to become horror films is possibly my second least favorite film genre behind disaster films.

    This has been your daily wet blanket.

    What movie has done this?

    Well Sunshine, of course!
    It started off as an interesting science fiction film and then loses its nerve and becomes a horror film.

    It also borrows it's primary dramatic arc from one of my least favorite films, Event Horizon, i.e.; "Fuck, I dunno, space and... well space so they all go fucking crazy and kill each other."

    Ray Bradbury wrote that plot years ago, better, and several times.

  • SiliconStewSiliconStew Registered User regular
    Science Fiction films that lacked enough courage so had to become horror films is possibly my second least favorite film genre behind disaster films.

    This has been your daily wet blanket.

    What movie has done this?

    Well Sunshine, of course!
    It started off as an interesting science fiction film and then loses its nerve and becomes a horror film.

    It also borrows it's primary dramatic arc from one of my least favorite films, Event Horizon, i.e.; "Fuck, I dunno, space and... well space so they all go fucking crazy and kill each other."

    Ray Bradbury wrote that plot years ago, better, and several times.

    How would you have gone with it?

    Just remember that half the people you meet are below average intelligence.
  • Regina FongRegina Fong Allons-y, Alonso Registered User regular
    Science Fiction films that lacked enough courage so had to become horror films is possibly my second least favorite film genre behind disaster films.

    This has been your daily wet blanket.

    What movie has done this?

    Well Sunshine, of course!
    It started off as an interesting science fiction film and then loses its nerve and becomes a horror film.

    It also borrows it's primary dramatic arc from one of my least favorite films, Event Horizon, i.e.; "Fuck, I dunno, space and... well space so they all go fucking crazy and kill each other."

    Ray Bradbury wrote that plot years ago, better, and several times.

    How would you have gone with it?
    I think most of the tension and suspense could have been conserved even without the whole idea of the survivor from the first ship terrorizing them. The nature of the mission provided plenty of danger (and thus, deaths, if they were determined to kill everyone off) without using the tired idea of everyone going crazy because space. I definitely would have dropped the two (two!) suicidal characters because why would you send unstable people into space? That's the exact opposite of what space programs do.

    I think films like this really seriously undersell the endurance of the human psyche in the face of mortal peril. A typical firefighter on a good day keeps it together better than this crew of Ritalin babies.

  • Regina FongRegina Fong Allons-y, Alonso Registered User regular
    I dunno, maybe my version of Sunshine would have sucked hard. But the version I saw was good and then abruptly fell apart and became stupid.

  • RchanenRchanen Registered User regular
    Preacher wrote: »
    The latest Bourne is apparently not very good, this is my shocked face, you'd see it for half a second before the camera shows you a potted plant and then Sean Bean mid orgasm.

    Well actually from what I have heard, the problem is not that it is not very good, the problem is that it is unnecessary.

    There review I read (BBC review) stated that the direction was fine, acting was fine, cast was fine, etc. Visuals etc were all good.

    It just was yet another Bourne story. The original Bourne trilogy had a story arc. This did not do anything to expand it, revive it, etc it. Matt joked when he had finished Ultimatum that if they did another Bourne movie it would be "The Bourne Redundancy"

    And the consensus is that it is. That while it's nice to see the band all back together, we are happy enough with the old albums and the new album is just updated covers of the old songs. Or maybe a best of album. I mean its nice, but not really great.

    I will watch it on Sunday, so I will give you guys my opinion. Spoiler Alert. I am a big Bourne fan.

  • SiliconStewSiliconStew Registered User regular
    edited July 2016
    Science Fiction films that lacked enough courage so had to become horror films is possibly my second least favorite film genre behind disaster films.

    This has been your daily wet blanket.

    What movie has done this?

    Well Sunshine, of course!
    It started off as an interesting science fiction film and then loses its nerve and becomes a horror film.

    It also borrows it's primary dramatic arc from one of my least favorite films, Event Horizon, i.e.; "Fuck, I dunno, space and... well space so they all go fucking crazy and kill each other."

    Ray Bradbury wrote that plot years ago, better, and several times.

    How would you have gone with it?
    I think most of the tension and suspense could have been conserved even without the whole idea of the survivor from the first ship terrorizing them. The nature of the mission provided plenty of danger (and thus, deaths, if they were determined to kill everyone off) without using the tired idea of everyone going crazy because space. I definitely would have dropped the two (two!) suicidal characters because why would you send unstable people into space? That's the exact opposite of what space programs do.

    I think films like this really seriously undersell the endurance of the human psyche in the face of mortal peril. A typical firefighter on a good day keeps it together better than this crew of Ritalin babies.
    I agree that the survivor and the way he was used undermined the movie.

    As far as Trey goes, he makes a mistake that kills the captain, destroys their oxygen supply so some or all of the remaining crew will die before they can even deliver the payload, much less survive the return trip, and nearly put an end to the entire human species. I'd say the psychological stress was warranted.

    For Searle, he was stranded on a dead spacecraft, alone, with no hope of rescue. Your not going to watch this guy living out what's left of his life in the movie, so either you have to just drop that plot thread and leave the audience to wonder about him, show him dying of other causes, or you can have him go out using his relatively interesting obsession with light. I was OK with them using the latter and I'm not sure it would have necessarily improved anything if they implied he only did that after seeing the mission was successful or after living alone for a long time.

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  • Hexmage-PAHexmage-PA Registered User regular
    edited July 2016
    Huge and Super Weird Godzilla Resurgence Ending Spoiler:
    After defeating Godzilla, there is a shot of horribly mutated people frozen solid as they attempted to crawl out of Godzilla's flesh. They appear to be skeletal and have Godzilla-like spines on their backs.

    I feel like the filmmakers wanted to be absolutely sure they created a version of Godzilla that couldn't come to be presented as a hero or even a lesser evil like older incarnations of the character were. It's pretty much the polar opposite of Legendary Pictures' Godzilla.

    I'm also seeing some people referring to the movie as GINO 2.0 (Godzilla in Name Only, a term originally used for the 1998 American Godzilla), but I myself am really interested to see it.

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  • Dug DangerDug Danger Registered User regular
    As much fun as I had watching the Bourne trilogy, 'all good but unecessary' actually sounds good to me.

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  • wanderingwandering Russia state-affiliated media Registered User regular
    I remember liking the Sunshine's shift into horror mode. I know I'm, like, the only person who feels that way but 1) I generally enjoy movies that shift from one genre to another and 2) I dunno I liked the idea
    of the sun as this hypnotic, supernatural, malevolent force that can drive people mad

  • Regina FongRegina Fong Allons-y, Alonso Registered User regular
    wandering wrote: »
    I remember liking the Sunshine's shift into horror mode. I know I'm, like, the only person who feels that way but 1) I generally enjoy movies that shift from one genre to another and 2) I dunno I liked the idea
    of the sun as this hypnotic, supernatural, malevolent force that can drive people mad

    Moon proved that you can tell a story about existential horror, the degeneration of the body leading to the fear of degeneration of the mind, the machinery and apparatus that supports space travel being slowly revealed as a source of terror and dread, all without stepping beyond the realm of good speculative science fiction and into an episode of Supernatural.

    I know it's unfair to criticize Sunshine by saying "Well, it's no Moon", but I liked Moon and I disliked Sunshine. And I know when the movie lost me, too.

  • DoodmannDoodmann Registered User regular
    I finally got around to watching 22 Jump Street, I'm pretty sure that's the hardest I've laughed throughout a movie in like 5 years.

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  • wanderingwandering Russia state-affiliated media Registered User regular
    I wouldn't expect someone with a Doctor Who avatar to be a hard-sci-fi-or-bust-er!

  • Regina FongRegina Fong Allons-y, Alonso Registered User regular
    edited July 2016
    wandering wrote: »
    I wouldn't expect someone with a Doctor Who avatar to be a hard-sci-fi-or-bust-er!

    Well I also love Supernatural so the issue isn't that I don't like hokey stuff.

    But you know how you said that you love genre shifts? I don't. I kinda want to get what I expected. abrupt shifts in tone tend to alienate me from a film. Sunshine is a pretty good example. Shaun of the Dead is the classic one though. When the film shifted to melodrama I just got up and left. The movie essentially ended for me right there.

    -edit-

    And yet for some inexplicable reason I loved From Dusk til Dawn. I still don't know why that film's genre-shift was acceptable to me but others aren't. Possibly it was fascination with seeing just how far Clooney's fake tattoo went...

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  • ZampanovZampanov You May Not Go Home Until Tonight Has Been MagicalRegistered User regular
    There is no tone shift in Shaun of the Dead, only escalation at an appropriate point

    Sunshine there absolutely is one but for me the strong points are strong enough to forgive it

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  • Regina FongRegina Fong Allons-y, Alonso Registered User regular
    Zampanov wrote: »
    There is no tone shift in Shaun of the Dead, only escalation at an appropriate point

    Sunshine there absolutely is one but for me the strong points are strong enough to forgive it

    No it went from comedy zombie horror to all of a sudden the lead is sobbing about his dead mother and it was just ugh what even is this.

  • ZampanovZampanov You May Not Go Home Until Tonight Has Been MagicalRegistered User regular
    Zampanov wrote: »
    There is no tone shift in Shaun of the Dead, only escalation at an appropriate point

    Sunshine there absolutely is one but for me the strong points are strong enough to forgive it

    No it went from comedy zombie horror to all of a sudden the lead is sobbing about his dead mother and it was just ugh what even is this.

    That's not the first time the movie had a serious thing happen, serious things happened throughout in between the comedy stuff.
    Breaking up with his girlfriend, being generally depressed about his stalled life, step dad dies just as he's starting to appreciate his point of view, roommate is zombified, etc

    you even recognize it as comedy zombie horror

    where is the horror part if there are no stakes for the main characters?

    I thought it blended the genres expertly and I didn't find a single problem with the gradual escalation, it all fit the tone quite nicely!

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  • KruiteKruite Registered User regular
    Science Fiction films that lacked enough courage so had to become horror films is possibly my second least favorite film genre behind disaster films.

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    moist blanket;

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  • Regina FongRegina Fong Allons-y, Alonso Registered User regular
    Zampanov wrote: »
    Zampanov wrote: »
    There is no tone shift in Shaun of the Dead, only escalation at an appropriate point

    Sunshine there absolutely is one but for me the strong points are strong enough to forgive it

    No it went from comedy zombie horror to all of a sudden the lead is sobbing about his dead mother and it was just ugh what even is this.

    That's not the first time the movie had a serious thing happen, serious things happened throughout in between the comedy stuff.
    Breaking up with his girlfriend, being generally depressed about his stalled life, step dad dies just as he's starting to appreciate his point of view, roommate is zombified, etc

    you even recognize it as comedy zombie horror

    where is the horror part if there are no stakes for the main characters?

    I thought it blended the genres expertly and I didn't find a single problem with the gradual escalation, it all fit the tone quite nicely!

    Eh, must agree to disagree. It gave me tonal whiplash!

  • Element BrianElement Brian Peanut Butter Shill Registered User regular
    edited July 2016
    I'm a huge Bourne fan

    Went into this movie with tempered expectations knowing about negative reviews

    Enjoyed the ride

    As credits rolled my gf asked me if I liked and I said I did

    Over the next 45 seconds I talked about it and brought my conclusion down to "enjoyed it but it could have been better"

    10 minutes later I was absolutely furious with it.

    I'll write more tomorrow but the conclusion that the movie is unnecessary is both correct and selling it's problems short.

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