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American Election Day 2016: Apocalypse Now

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  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    ED! wrote: »
    Dhalphir wrote: »
    @ED! LOOK AT THIS FUCKING CHART
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    How dare you suggest racism was not the deciding factor for Trump voters?

    If you're saying that EVERY Trump voter voted for racism then yes. I dare. Because that makes you just as out of touch as the Clinton campaign and why we're in this mess.
    shryke wrote: »
    ED! wrote: »
    Dhalphir wrote: »
    ED! wrote: »
    You're talking about racist somehow being the deciding factor here. Point to any result that suggests this. All these racists flipped these battleground states? Are you serious? She was a weak fucking candidate who had a barely hidden disdain for the primary process and her ascension to the Presidency. And now they're hand wringing as if they can't believe what's happened here. Really?

    Trump's entire platform was racism and bigotry.

    Whatever, I'm done with this fucking argument. Fine. Clinton lost ONLY fucking because racists just got sooper dooper excited about voting against the candidate endorsed by the Black Guy (one wonders why they didn't do this in 2012). Whatever.

    It's kinda hard to actually have a conversation here if you won't actually tell us what you think the real reason is. Tell us what you think caused it.

    There are a myriad of issues; blame the awful summer that Clinton had. As odious as Trump has been, why people are discounting the disenfranchisement and dejection that young millennial voters experienced after the DNC and Wikileaks and just going to "welp they have the blacks" is just beyond me. Folks are just doing anything they can to just pat themselves on the back and say "Well you can only lead a horse to water. . ." instead of saying "Well hell maybe we shouldn't have ignored a large segment of the population because well they just aren't smart enough to know better." You are seeing it right here in this thread.

    So the Democrats should have been more racist or something? That's your diagnose of Clinton's performance?

    I mean, it's not like they didn't go out and try to court white voters. They had people all over that shit at all sorts of types (from Biden to Sanders as an example).

    Like, fundamentally, what do you think was the thing they should have said or done that would reach out to these people you are talking about? What was Clinton's campaign not giving them?

  • qwer12qwer12 Registered User regular
    Everybody was hoping for this election to finally end and now it has.

    2016: Year of the Monkey's Paw

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  • ObiFettObiFett Use the Force As You WishRegistered User regular
    Inkstain82 wrote: »
    ObiFett wrote: »
    My take on how this happened: Democrats played identity politics targeting everyone but the majority of white voters which in turn alienated them. Trump then energized those white voters who felt like they were being pushed to the wayside and forgotten. They voted to be represented.

    I don't think it was just racist, sexist people that won this election for the Republicans. The thin margin that Clinton will lose by is because the Democratic party didn't convince white voters that the party was willing to fight for their well-being as much as they are clearly fighting for minorities and special interest groups. They need a plan to bring the non-racist, non-sexist, struggling, working class white voters back to the Democratic Party.

    I would like to remind you that Clinton will have received more votes

    Yeah

    Which sadly means nothing in the US election process

    Hillary lost PA, MI, and WI most likely due to a surge in the white working class in those states.

  • AtomikaAtomika Live fast and get fucked or whatever Registered User regular
    how

  • FrostwoodFrostwood Registered User regular
    Looks like Scott Adams is right, facts don't matter, only persuasion. He said that this election would prove that facts don't matter, and that Donald Trump would win due to superior persuasion.

    This has been an exciting election. Looks like the next few years are going to entertaining.

  • flamebroiledchickenflamebroiledchicken Registered User regular
    worst year of all time

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  • HardtargetHardtarget There Are Four Lights VancouverRegistered User regular
    She just phoned trump and conceeded. Holy shit

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  • ED!ED! Registered User regular
    shryke wrote: »
    ED! wrote: »
    Dhalphir wrote: »
    @ED! LOOK AT THIS FUCKING CHART
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    How dare you suggest racism was not the deciding factor for Trump voters?

    If you're saying that EVERY Trump voter voted for racism then yes. I dare. Because that makes you just as out of touch as the Clinton campaign and why we're in this mess.
    shryke wrote: »
    ED! wrote: »
    Dhalphir wrote: »
    ED! wrote: »
    You're talking about racist somehow being the deciding factor here. Point to any result that suggests this. All these racists flipped these battleground states? Are you serious? She was a weak fucking candidate who had a barely hidden disdain for the primary process and her ascension to the Presidency. And now they're hand wringing as if they can't believe what's happened here. Really?

    Trump's entire platform was racism and bigotry.

    Whatever, I'm done with this fucking argument. Fine. Clinton lost ONLY fucking because racists just got sooper dooper excited about voting against the candidate endorsed by the Black Guy (one wonders why they didn't do this in 2012). Whatever.

    It's kinda hard to actually have a conversation here if you won't actually tell us what you think the real reason is. Tell us what you think caused it.

    There are a myriad of issues; blame the awful summer that Clinton had. As odious as Trump has been, why people are discounting the disenfranchisement and dejection that young millennial voters experienced after the DNC and Wikileaks and just going to "welp they have the blacks" is just beyond me. Folks are just doing anything they can to just pat themselves on the back and say "Well you can only lead a horse to water. . ." instead of saying "Well hell maybe we shouldn't have ignored a large segment of the population because well they just aren't smart enough to know better." You are seeing it right here in this thread.

    So the Democrats should have been more racist or something? That's your diagnose of Clinton's performance?

    I mean, it's not like they didn't go out and try to court white voters. They had people all over that shit at all sorts of types (from Biden to Sanders as an example).

    Like, fundamentally, what do you think was the thing they should have said or done that would reach out to these people you are talking about? What was Clinton's campaign not giving them?

    Yes. That's EXACTLY fucking it. Give me a fucking break.

    I've already said why I think they failed. You can parse it any way you like.

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  • CoinageCoinage Heaviside LayerRegistered User regular
    Hillary conceded, I don't know about the speech. RIP

    Happiness is within reach!
  • DelphinidaesDelphinidaes FFXIV: Delphi Kisaragi Registered User regular
    Welp, next 4 years will be interesting to say the least.

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  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    According to Mrs. Huckabee, Trump's internal polling had shown him well behind.

    And the RNC data:

  • SniperGuySniperGuy SniperGuyGaming Registered User regular
    Going to bed. Someone have a discussion going about how I can get involved in local politics when I wake up

  • Knight_Knight_ Dead Dead Dead Registered User regular
    so much despair.

    i can't even move.

    will i even be alive in a year. 2 years? 4 years?

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  • Kipling217Kipling217 Registered User regular
    Atomika wrote: »
    how

    White people, being scared, blaming it on Browns and Gays.

    The sky was full of stars, every star an exploding ship. One of ours.
  • Inkstain82Inkstain82 Registered User regular
    ObiFett wrote: »
    Inkstain82 wrote: »
    ObiFett wrote: »
    My take on how this happened: Democrats played identity politics targeting everyone but the majority of white voters which in turn alienated them. Trump then energized those white voters who felt like they were being pushed to the wayside and forgotten. They voted to be represented.

    I don't think it was just racist, sexist people that won this election for the Republicans. The thin margin that Clinton will lose by is because the Democratic party didn't convince white voters that the party was willing to fight for their well-being as much as they are clearly fighting for minorities and special interest groups. They need a plan to bring the non-racist, non-sexist, struggling, working class white voters back to the Democratic Party.

    I would like to remind you that Clinton will have received more votes

    Yeah

    Which sadly means nothing in the US election process

    Hillary lost PA, MI, and WI most likely due to a surge in the white working class in those states.

    So it is Democrats' fault for not realizing the system is still designed to put white men above minorities and sucked up to them more?

    I guess.

  • Mei HikariMei Hikari Registered User regular
    I'm in shock. I trusted the country better than this and I never truly considered this to be a possibility. I just don't even know how I show up to work tomorrow and pretend it's ok.

  • autono-wally, erotibot300autono-wally, erotibot300 love machine Registered User regular
    Hardtarget wrote: »
    She just phoned trump and conceeded. Holy shit

    Wait seriously? Shit.

    I hope she told him "don't fuck this up, ok?"

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  • Commander ZoomCommander Zoom Registered User regular
    Atomika wrote: »
    There is an entire generation of hope that has been snuffed out tonight.

    Fuck everything about this stupid fucking country.

    That may be, but... I'm glad you're still here with us.
    Stay, please.

  • htmhtm Registered User regular
    Coinage wrote: »
    I cannot believe that Trump won latino's by over 25%. This is insanity.

    It is also incredibly saddening to realize that Obama is going to become a 2 term Jimmy Carter, with all of his accomplishments wiped out by a petty and venal opposition successor.
    Yeah I'm gonna need some explanation of how she did worse with them than Obama.
    I should clarify, i phrased it wrong, Trump won over 25% of Latinos, he didnt win the Latino vote. It just seems strange that the minority group he was most vocal against is also the one that he did best in comparatively.

    Also, i'm betting that it wasnt rural or working poor that gave Trump the presidency, it was suburban whites.

    That latino number has been circulating all night, but it's likely bogus: Nate Silver, here:

    "The national exit poll shows Trump making bigger gains among black and Hispanic voters than among whites. But I’d urge at least a little caution. I know that exit polls aren’t supposed to be used for projecting results, but they did an awfully bad job tonight, initially showing what had looked like a near-landslide margin for Clinton. Furthermore, as compared with pre-election polls, Trump clearly overperformed the most in whiter states. So on second thought, maybe that’s a lot of caution and not just a little."

  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    Hakkekage wrote: »
    Absalon wrote: »
    Viskod wrote: »
    I guess Bernie would have won after all, how about that.

    Not if Clinton supporters had been as stupid and fomented as much stupid shit about him among his weak demographics.

    Bernie must really really hate himself. His holdouts and TYT-style "No good choices!"-acolytes are going to follow suit in a year or so. They've destroyed progressivism in the US.

    Progressivism has already been destroyed.

    This is exactly what we've been saying. You can't burn it all down and expect to build what YOU wanted on the ashes.

    Yeah, I gotta say, the only bright side I can see to a Trump win here is we'll finally get to see what happens when you "burn it all down" as some smug silly geese have been calling for during this election and many times before it. The Stein voters and believers and others.

    I suspect they will not like how it goes in reality.

  • Kid PresentableKid Presentable Registered User regular
    SniperGuy wrote: »
    Going to bed. Someone have a discussion going about how I can get involved in local politics when I wake up

    Why would anyone ever bother? "Politics" do not matter.

  • autono-wally, erotibot300autono-wally, erotibot300 love machine Registered User regular
    Frostwood wrote: »
    Looks like Scott Adams is right, facts don't matter, only persuasion. He said that this election would prove that facts don't matter, and that Donald Trump would win due to superior persuasion.

    This has been an exciting election. Looks like the next few years are going to entertaining.
    Both matters. Man is animal hardware running a poorly optimized person OS

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  • Harry DresdenHarry Dresden Registered User regular
    ED! wrote: »
    Dhalphir wrote: »
    ED! wrote: »
    syndalis wrote: »
    ED! wrote: »
    I am a Conservative, but what the fuck? I wanted this campaign to be a referendum on the lack of voice the average American had in American politics, and for this to be a wakeup call to President Clinton that "do not take this for granted. . ."

    Honestly, they have only themselves to blame. I mean they are in a fucking "glass ceiling" hall for fucks sake. How do you have this level of hubris? How the fuck do you lose to DONALD FUCKING TRUMP.

    We largely underestimated how powerful the racist white nationalist population was in this country, and how much of an impact directly speaking to them would have.

    Its a failing.

    I'm sorry, but I don't buy that for a second. People don't chose hating "darkies" over what they see as ethical or moral failings. Or at least not enough people to swing an election. She isn't losing by margins, she is LOSING. Period. Trying to pin this on the racists in this country is ignoring the problem (and how we got here in the first damn place).

    Whether you buy it or not is irrelevant. Trump abandoned the "wink wink nudge nudge" racism of the Republican party up until now and embraced full blown racism, openly. And he won.

    If that's not an endorsement of racism then what is

    You're talking about racist somehow being the deciding factor here. Point to any result that suggests this. All these racists flipped these battleground states? Are you serious? She was a weak fucking candidate who had a barely hidden disdain for the primary process and her ascension to the Presidency. And now they're hand wringing as if they can't believe what's happened here. Really?

    Don't blame her for her weak opponents, she knew what to do to get where she needs to be and they don't have an excuse that she was the presumed nominee. She got there through strength, coalitions, partnerships etc to get the job done. She followed the rules, and did it admirably. Sadly, I can't say the same for her competition.

    Losing to Trump doesn't make her weak. Her failing is not proof her rivals could do it better.

  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    At least I don't have to explain to four rooms of black children that their country despises them and hopes they can never experience success because I turned that job down.

    The idea that your vote is a moral statement about you or who you vote for is some backwards ass libertarian nonsense. Your vote is about society. Vote to protect the vulnerable.
  • VeeveeVeevee WisconsinRegistered User regular
    Clinton has conceded

    Fuck

  • ObiFettObiFett Use the Force As You WishRegistered User regular
    edited November 2016
    Inkstain82 wrote: »
    ObiFett wrote: »
    Inkstain82 wrote: »
    ObiFett wrote: »
    My take on how this happened: Democrats played identity politics targeting everyone but the majority of white voters which in turn alienated them. Trump then energized those white voters who felt like they were being pushed to the wayside and forgotten. They voted to be represented.

    I don't think it was just racist, sexist people that won this election for the Republicans. The thin margin that Clinton will lose by is because the Democratic party didn't convince white voters that the party was willing to fight for their well-being as much as they are clearly fighting for minorities and special interest groups. They need a plan to bring the non-racist, non-sexist, struggling, working class white voters back to the Democratic Party.

    I would like to remind you that Clinton will have received more votes

    Yeah

    Which sadly means nothing in the US election process

    Hillary lost PA, MI, and WI most likely due to a surge in the white working class in those states.

    So it is Democrats' fault for not realizing the system is still designed to put white men above minorities and sucked up to them more?

    I guess.

    Its possible to reach out to the struggling white working class while simultaneously helping minorities and special interest groups.

    Just like its possible to help african americans while simultaneously helping hispanic americans

    ObiFett on
  • OptyOpty Registered User regular
    edited November 2016
    ObiFett wrote: »
    My take on how this happened: Democrats played identity politics targeting everyone but the majority of white voters which in turn alienated them. Trump then energized those white voters who felt like they were being pushed to the wayside and forgotten. They voted to be represented.

    I don't think it was just racist, sexist people that won this election for the Republicans. The thin margin that Clinton will lose by is because the Democratic party didn't convince white voters that the party was willing to fight for their well-being as much as they are clearly fighting for minorities and special interest groups. They need a plan to bring the non-racist, non-sexist, struggling, working class white voters back to the Democratic Party.

    The non-racists are already Dem-leaning Independents or in the Democratic Party. There's no way to reach out to the racists without accepting racist dogma, so there's an impasse there. The root is that those remaining white folk are literally children: children who see others getting their hand-me-downs and crying "no, they can't have that!!" Children who think about themselves and themselves alone: the only things that change their minds on anything is when it affects them directly, be it their daughter being a lesbian or them having to go back to work a week after giving birth. Children who are happy to see bad things happen to others as long as they're not happening to them. This was their last gasp and they managed to pull the country under just to spite it.

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  • TicaldfjamTicaldfjam Snoqualmie, WARegistered User regular
    edited November 2016
    Everyone who is soley blaming the Dems fuck up, surely has forgotten about the "
    Blue Dogs" AKA Republican Dixiecrats in disguise. Not to mention the special "Snowflakes" in the party who will be immune to Trumps Huntdown of Gays, non white American AND Foreign Citizens attain Citizenship alike, who basically became the image of the Dog in the Cafe in flames and totally;"I'm okay with this."

    No shit You special "Snowflake" Dem dipshits, you are part of the "TRUE MERICA" class, so no big deal!

    Ticaldfjam on
  • DrascinDrascin Registered User regular
    Wait wait wait. Guys. I just got up here in Europe. I just checked the last page of comments. Did trump WIN?

    How in the FUCK? How?

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  • NightslyrNightslyr Registered User regular
    I'm scared for myself. I'm a single physically disabled guy living at home with my mom. I don't know what I'd do if I had to go into a nursing home. It's always been my big fear, that the programs I'm on would end, or that they'd be restricted to the point where I'd either no longer qualify or they would no longer be adequate for my needs.

  • HardtargetHardtarget There Are Four Lights VancouverRegistered User regular
    Vice president elect pence just walked out.


    I almost puked

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  • KetBraKetBra Dressed Ridiculously Registered User regular
    Pence introducing Trump

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  • HappylilElfHappylilElf Registered User regular
    Congratulations my fellow Americans

    We officially fucking suck

  • ArcTangentArcTangent Registered User regular
    I just put a sobbing SO to bed with a lot of nyquil.

    All that keeps going through my mind is "Holy shit, I'm glad we're upper middle class, white, and in a blue-as-fuck state." And I feel fucking horrible for it. But so many of our friends and loved ones... I feel like we've failed the world as a democracy and any kind of symbol of liberty and tolerance.

    The only thing I can hope and pray on is that this unleashes every single scandal that NBC and whoever was too afraid to leak before and he's stuck battling those for his entire term, if not impeached and convicted within months. But with the full weight of the executive behind him...

    Sleep's not going to come easy tonight.

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  • MuddBuddMuddBudd Registered User regular
    I can't look at the TV. I can't look at him.

    I kind of want to die.

    There's no plan, there's no race to be run
    The harder the rain, honey, the sweeter the sun.
  • doomybeardoomybear Hi People Registered User regular
    I think this is the harbinger of a realignment of powers. Speaking realpolitik here. It's not just that the wealth of the US is gonna go down, it's the whole world that will collapse and reorganize itself. Consider the GDP of the US compared to the rest of the world. When that consumption slows or crashes, everybody is going to go down. It's gonna suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck.

    And then someone else is gonna take the lead.

    what a happy day it is
  • MuzzmuzzMuzzmuzz Registered User regular
    Maybe she told him "Remember all those tabloids and rumours of me having a hit squad to kill people who fucked up? All true. Take care of America."

  • SpectrumSpectrum Archer of Inferno Chaldea Rec RoomRegistered User regular
    Pence speaking now. Welp.

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  • gjaustingjaustin Registered User regular
    Maybe now liberals will learn that when you demonize people who disagree with you and nominate an unsavory candidate, they're not going to vote for you just because their candidate is a different flavor of unsavory.

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