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The 2016 Conditional Post-Election Thread: II
Elki
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Do you think that Stone has any interest in running a site he can't make a profit off of? Yes, conspiracy shitholes will still be around, and no you don't have to be for-profit to want to spread conspiracy theories, but almost certainly there's a relationship between wanting to draw in readers for advertising dollars and therefore resorting to sensationalism and conspiracy.
The idea is to give news readers/viewers a very clear sign saying "this organization's interests are profit first, keeping you informed comes secondary".
No, that's not a silver bullet that kills Fox News, but in the extremely anti-establishment climate we have at the moment, something like this might be able to make a significant impact.
The solution doesn't have to be through government either. Maybe a non-profit organization that itself rates and criticizes media outlets? I'm sure there are plenty existing organizations, but maybe we need to be pouring a lot more money into them.
Roz said:
Or move there from dead red or true blue zip codes.
I started with the former, agreed that it was completely untenable, and then dropped to the later which I think is doable.
I mean, we are brainstorming here.
I mean, "fair and balanced" is already pretty much a wink/nod, and morherfuckers eat that up. Any sanctioned "unbiased" source would get at least as much ridicule for it as it gained credibility, likely for good cause
that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
Because people are making stuff up
http://www.theadvocate.com/acadiana/news/crime_police/article_2e351106-a74b-11e6-86d9-cf799c2824a8.html?reload3
http://www.politifact.com/north-carolina/statements/2016/nov/09/viral-image/viral-image-debunked-kkk-was-not-marching-north-ca/
which is poisoning the well for the actual horrible things that Trump supporters are doing
And realizing that its happening to Trump supporters as well, like here
And here: https://vid.me/kS4r which is one that I talked about in an earlier thread that sadly got a response eerily similar to what your mother said: "There are too many alt-right nuttjobs willing to stage shit and upload it because they really want an excuse. I don't think even were this true it would be indicative of anything."
People are being awful all over the place because their political team won/lost. Hopefully soon, like Colbert said, we stop sipping the poison and remember we have plenty of common ground.
As the answer to all of those questions I would point to the FDA, and expect something a similar structure.
Immediately around the election is the most difficult time to do that, unfortunately
that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
It would actually be interesting if we saw political movements based around people from the cities deliberately moving to communities in more rural areas to influence voting.
Maybe that will be the next "in" thing for gentrifiers :P.
Unless we stop doing that, and instead do something about it.
Well, a lot of media is simply poison to be avoided. Breitbart and InfoWars are becoming mainstream on the right, which is troubling, but also hilarious.
"Orkses never lose a battle. If we win we win, if we die we die fightin so it don't count. If we runs for it we don't die neither, cos we can come back for annuver go, see!".
Actually, I assume all media I am presented with is spinning in some bias, regardless of source.
As we all should.
I don't think we can afford to find this stuff hilarious anymore.
Especially when it comes to that vid.me video. If he had been carrying, no jury on Earth would have convicted him. Much more, the shitty Trump supporter behavior being reported pales when contrasted against it.
Trump has your solution, state run media. Otherwise, there is actually nothing to do about it except turn it off. There's noise, and then there's signal...and we've lost the ability to tell the difference. Or maybe never really cared in the first place. I mean, we can exhaustively bring in the ghosts of Cronkite and Murrow, but even in their time it was 90% fear mongering noise.
We're already there if you haven't noticed, basically all the top-tier papers and networks were taking marching orders to some degree this year. CNN was a sock puppet to the point where you could figuratively see the fingers when their anchors' mouths moved, and the Washington Post might as well merge with BuzzFeed after this. It's pretty fucking sad, because those were great outlets once upon a time.
they were pretty much the only major news outlet in the country that stood up to trump all election long
i mean they are clickier now but that's just reality these days
Most major news media are pretty centrist. If you lean left, you'll see them as rightwing. If you're rightwing, you'll see them as liberal.
So I guess he got his phone back.
i mean yeah
Dude is still a shitbird AND it's kind of obvious he's getting his news from Alex Jones. I don't hear many outlets call protesters that aside from conspiracy theorists.
Coolcoolcool.
Ugh.
This coming from the guy who paid people to clap at his campaign kickoff.
The Projector-in-Chief
WaPo was an offender mainly during the primaries, with the infamous Sixteen Stories in Sixteen Hours going after Sanders, though they persisted through the whole year.
Come now, CNN has crossed lines far, far beyond parody. It's why their ratings have trouble cracking 750,000 viewers, and that's with 500,000 "24-hour" viewers (doctors's offices, airports, etc).
I think the technical term for it inside their shop is "Cillizzation". Winners and Losers!
Fortunately, the Washington Post diligently fact checked Trump, scoring him an unprecedented average rating of 3.4 Pinocchios to Hillary Clinton's 2.2 Pinocchios.
Unfortunately, they are scoring a presidential race with cartoon Pinocchios.
It's a well known "fact" in right wing circles that most left wing protests are secretly funded by George Soros and other International Jewry in order to destabilize the last true bastion of freedom, the good ole US of A.
-Indiana Solo, runner of blades
Not the first one, this was 35m ago from this post, slightly before the other one
Still,
ugh.
Please, don't talk about rich people and what they make, rich people are sacrosanct to us. Ah, third way. Of all the groups in a country suddenly filled with uncertainty, they know who the Democrats need to line up behind. They know who needs to be protected, and have our political capital spent on. The rich.
Yeah, it's why I said first real tweet beyond a canned response, hah.