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DNC Chair Election: Tom Perez Wins
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Wasn't mentioned in this thread, but he was the only DNC Chair candidate who was at the womens' marches. Most of the others were at a fundraiser.
Honestly, though, it sounds like he could do more damage climbing the ladder from where he is.
They tried to bury us. They didn't know that we were seeds. 2018 Midterms. Get your shit together.
That's the kind of message I want from all the Democrats right now.
What are his political stances and accomplishments?
This is good stuff but I'm going to need more to tell if he's right for the job.
Hillary lost via EC strategic voting since Trump got the Rust Belt. She did not face a problem with enthusiasm, well not in any way a good politician doesn't that can't match Obama because Obama is Obama. Plus voter suppression.
You're over reacting to the Dems not winning. I'm not saying the Dems couldn't do more on those fronts, though. Merely it isn't a big a problem as you think.
Democrats are getting beaten hard at the state and federal levels. What exactly is your definition of 'big'? Voter suppression is going to be even worse in 2018 and 2020, so efforts to boost enthusiasm and increase registration efforts (not to mention GOTV) are absolutely required if we're going to make any progress.
I meant on the presidential level, compared to congress elections. There's a big difference on what was going on during both election cycles.
Dems definitely need to absolutely improve on engaging voters front. And yeah, it's going to be twice as hard as it was in '16.
Yay!
Ebum are you an Ellison for Chair, cause Perez should run for Gov kind of guy?
Otherwise I'd lean Perez for the Chair but what are people's thoughts
I didn't watch the stream the other night I need to do that
I think that he'd be good, he's useful. And I like the symbology of Ellison as DNC head.
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Perez is up, as far as i've heard, by 66 votes according to who's endorsed so far (but not the formal vote yet). Hard for Ellison to catch up now, especially if the other candidates are siphoning.
If Perez does win (which is fine, given what we know of him and his language so far) Ellison needs to get out there and sing his praises so that the Bernie-or-Busters (the saveable ones, at any rate) don't throw a hissy fit and take the wind out of our sails or join the Justice Democrats or something.
2) Supports the EO (I know you disagree with us here)
3) I really like Perez. But he needs a base from which to run for the big chair.
Also: he was literally the Secretary of Labor who proposed and got the mandatory overtime rule through. That has now been cancelled by the guy you voted for. Who would sign a national right to work bill.
Your views on labor are... weird.
What else did Perez do? It'd be great to finally have someone union-friendly as head of the DNC and would help you pull votes away from Trump for 2020.
Perez has been a labor lawyer for decades.
They tried to bury us. They didn't know that we were seeds. 2018 Midterms. Get your shit together.
When he wasn't a civil rights lawyer.
The people looking to relitigate the primary need to put down the fucking fiddle already.
They tried to bury us. They didn't know that we were seeds. 2018 Midterms. Get your shit together.
The optics of putting up a latino son of immigrants made good with deep ties to the working class as our battlefield commander ain't bad either. They're a little less on the nose, currently. But it's only Wednesday.
They tried to bury us. They didn't know that we were seeds. 2018 Midterms. Get your shit together.
Everything I've heard about Perez has been good. I was pleased by 70% of his donations being less that $200, which isn't quite $27 but still feels relatively good.
There's a weird self-referential social phenomenon here: if everyone believes this is re-litigating the primary, then I'll sigh and then go to the mat re-litigating the primary because once anything gets classed that way I therefore care about my side winning. Yet, at the same time, I don't actually really want to re-litigate the primary and would especially prefer not to do it against a candidate I basically like. So, I want to re-litigate the primary if we're re-litigating the primary but I really don't want us to be re-litigating the primary. Re-litigateception.
I like the idea of Perez running for MD Gov, and Ellison getting the chair, personally. How often is the DNC chair voted on? Annually or every 4 years or what?
I'd like to avoid re-ligitating the primary because fuck me I'm exhausted, done with that shit, and focused on trying to get the Dem party to just show a united front to the GOP/Trump at the moment. I honestly don't really care who the chair is, as long as they're effective. I guess that's not "I don't care", and more "I care that they're good; just get someone good at what they'll be doing."
So as long as we're fucked, I want the chair with the sharpest blade against the Republicans. Which I think is Perez.
I also think that the Clinton supporters that are trying to prop up the old guard after their avatar summoned President Trump from the depths are being stupid and missing the point completely.
This is not the time for that shit.
Either Ellison or Perez will be great in that position. And the one luxury we've got right now is that our position as the opposition party makes the way forward very clear. We speak with one voice, and we say NO. We can get back to infighting when we're not facing a fascist coup within our own government.
They tried to bury us. They didn't know that we were seeds. 2018 Midterms. Get your shit together.
It's more that Ellison was the first Muslim elected to Congress and with the Muslim Ban being an actual real thing that could be pretty important optics wise.
But they're both great and I'm comfortable with both.
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I'd like to chime in by saying that I'd be happy with either Ellison or Perez. They both seem like they have a strong, confident message and some teeth to sink into the Trump Admin.
I think it's mostly because both major candidates would be good for the DNC.
it's not going to happen if perez wins because the bob folks are going to pitch their usual fit. probably will happen if ellison wins.
so it's not going to happen, looks like.