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Ethan SmithEthan Smith Origin name: Beart4toArlington, VARegistered User regular
edited April 2007 in Artist's Corner
I'm an artist, however, I've never really been very good at detail. I've always kept to abstracts, and things close to abstract, which means that when I try to really draw a detailed drawing, I usually mess up a couple of details, like make the guy have a wry smile when he's supposed to be serious.

I've finished my sketchbook this week (it's a 300-page'r), and I did 4 drawings which I think was the best work within it. I've scanned those four, and I'll post them, and (with the 3 based off a 'master drawing' I'll link to the original.

The first, a quarter way into the book, is based off a furry webcomic that some of my friends read...<_<

Original-http://images.wikia.com/furry/images/9/94/Jack-DaveHopkins.jpg
Mine-scan0002-1.jpg

The second is halfway in, and is an original work. This is probably the best example of my work, which usually is very high-contrast.

Mine-scan0003.jpg

The second two are based off of things which I'm pretty sure we've all seen before, and are the last 2 pages in my sketchbook.


Original-http://emo185.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/mgs2cover.jpg
Mine-MGS2.jpg

Original-http://www.cyberpomme.com/jeux/half_life_2/images/cover.jpg
Mine-scan-1.jpg

I really hate how I fucked up here. I had the first eye done so well, but I messed up on the second, which meant I had to erase it with my shitty pencil.

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  • VirumVirum Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Almost all the links are fucked when you click on them.

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  • mr0rangemr0range Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Proper fucked

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  • Ethan SmithEthan Smith Origin name: Beart4to Arlington, VARegistered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Virum wrote: »
    Almost all the links are fucked when you click on them.

    Each and every one works for me.

    o_O

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  • DMACDMAC Come at me, bro! Moderator Mod Emeritus
    edited April 2007
    I "fixed" what I could. You had most of them linking to your drawing of Gordon Freeman. Tripod doesn't allow hotlinking so that one's not going to work.

    Also, you should probably just post your pieces in the thread and link to the reference.

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  • Ethan SmithEthan Smith Origin name: Beart4to Arlington, VARegistered User regular
    edited April 2007
    DMAC wrote: »
    I "fixed" what I could. You had most of them linking to your drawing of Gordon Freeman. Tripod doesn't allow hotlinking so that one's not going to work.

    Also, you should probably just post your pieces in the thread and link to the reference.

    Thanks.

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  • MagicToasterMagicToaster JapanRegistered User regular
    edited April 2007
    It seems your lines are really short and choppy. Try longer flowing lines, they'll make your stiffness go away. There's something to be said about actually putting some time into the last ones, the box art is really sloppy. Regardless of skill level, it doesn't take much to bust out a ruler and draw some straight boxes. Give it your best shot, I know you can improve a lot!

    How old are you, if you don't mind me asking?

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  • Ethan SmithEthan Smith Origin name: Beart4to Arlington, VARegistered User regular
    edited April 2007
    It seems your lines are really short and choppy. Try longer flowing lines, they'll make your stiffness go away. There's something to be said about actually putting some time into the last ones, the box art is really sloppy. Regardless of skill level, it doesn't take much to bust out a ruler and draw some straight boxes. Give it your best shot, I know you can improve a lot!

    How old are you, if you don't mind me asking?

    16.

    edit-Yeah, the gordon freeman one isn't finished by any means, but it's close. I'll prolly finish it during art tommorrow.

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  • bread of wonderbread of wonder Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    I don't buy the bit about being an abstract artist. Abstract artists have full line control, your lines just seem out of whack because of a lack of skill, not as a sense of style. You're not an abstract artist, but an an inexperienced artist.

    You might want to stay away from those fuzzy lines while sketching. If you're unsure where the line is going to go, draw it straight through anyway and if you're not happy with it, just erase rather than making gordon freeman look like he's got fuzzy skin. Also, I suggest making a skeletal sketch of what you're drawing before filling in all the detail (as in, breaking the drawing down into basic shapes) because it seems like you're just looking at your reference, starting from one point and drawing outward and in the process screwing up the proportions. Look at Freeman's head. Does a head really look like that?

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  • WastingPenguinsWastingPenguins Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Please, someone tell me this is a joke post.

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  • XALXAL Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    ^exactly what bread said. if you draw and can't do it well, don't call yourself an abstract artist

    you should go back to the basics, drawing simple shapes (until you can do them accurately with little/no "sketchy" lines) and then go onto making 3d forms - spheres, cubes, etc.
    learn how to make your lines smooth and crisp, I used to draw with very sketchy lines - it isn't a stylistic thing when you're learning -i t's just your lack of control.

    one you're good at the basics, then apply what you can do to the human figure, learn proportions, the skeletal structure and anatomy, etc etc

    the key is to practice as often as you can and to always look to improve

    after you get good at making fairly realistic representations of ... well, anything - then and only then you can take what you know and simplify and distort form into abstract pieces. no offense, but the stuff you have isn't abstract, it's just bad. just don't get discouraged and work hard to improve.

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  • GrifterGrifter title goes here 32, 64Moderator mod
    edited April 2007
    This is going to be incredibly brief because I just don't have the time to waste on giving you extensive crits on this shit.

    First one: Find a better image to copy. A photograph of a model is a better image to copy in case you're wondering.

    Second one: Are you just trying to waste my time? Learn to spend more than three minutes on something that you deem to be the best in your sketch book.

    Third one: Again, spend some actual time doing something. I know you probably have ADD or something but you're going to have to put some more effort in to get real results.

    Fourth one: Same as the third. Only more emphasized.

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  • VirumVirum Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    I have to agree.

    You're taking yourself way too seriously.

    "I usually mess up a couple of details, like make the guy have a wry smile when he's supposed to be serious."

    More like you mess up the whole picture. The guys don't even have jaws, much less lip expressions to mess up.

    None of the anatomy in your pictures are even close to being accurate.

    And uh.....calling yourself an artist is a bit pretentious at this point.

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  • GodfatherGodfather Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    It is hard as fuck to make out just what the hell is going on in some of those pictures.

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  • ScottEwenScottEwen Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Man, you guys really don't hold back at critiquing stuff, huh?

    I will agree though, Ethan should stop calling himself an abstract artist, since it doesn't really look like he understands what abstract means. It's not the same as "poorly drawn and hard to make out."

    And Ethan, stop drawing from other people's art. Draw from life or photographs, don't just try to copy what someone else has done.

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  • NightDragonNightDragon 6th Grade Username Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Godfather wrote: »
    It is hard as fuck to make out just what the hell is going on in some of those pictures.

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  • MagicToasterMagicToaster JapanRegistered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Did we crush his heart or something? C'mon kid, say something

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  • JohannenJohannen Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Whenever I peruse in Artist corner it's horribly disappointing to see OP's just cut and run when they've been critique'd. Do these guys not read up on how harsh you all are before they post or something?

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  • UnknownSaintUnknownSaint Kasyn Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    I'm guessing they just don't want to do what it takes to improve, and they leave to another forum where ass-pats are handed out.

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  • bread of wonderbread of wonder Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Most kids take criticism badly when they start out. Over time crits turn into a developing artist's masochistic pleasure. It's especially hard when all you're coming from is a few art classes in highschool or whatever where if you make a few marks on paper, you get an A and praise from your know-nothing teacher and shock and awe from the other students who still only know how to draw stick figures. It's kind of a rude awakening after leaving that environment for some.

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  • GodfatherGodfather Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Most kids take criticism badly when they start out. Over time crits turn into a developing artist's masochistic pleasure. It's especially hard when all you're coming from is a few art classes in highschool or whatever where if you make a few marks on paper, you get an A and praise from your know-nothing teacher and shock and awe from the other students who still only know how to draw stick figures. It's kind of a rude awakening after leaving that environment for some.



    No kidding. I didn't have the ass pat teachers though (technically i'm an art 1 student at my school). To really get cracking I try to do a shit ton of stuff outside of class (signed up for a basic college drawing 1 class, bought some anatomy books, etc). Hell, I think the first thing I posted at these forums was some shitty freehand tracing doodles.

    The comments posted in that topic almost knocked me off the fucking internet, but I somehow managed to suck it up and straighten my shit out.


    Thanks PA:AC!

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  • Aaron LeeAaron Lee Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    I think we all know constructive criticism is an artist's best tool, and if you can't take it, art isn't your thing. Granted, critiques in these forums can be quite brutally honest, but the fact is they are usually point on and valuable.

    But I can assure you, you're not going to impress anybody by poorly copying other people's work. Don't get me wrong, when I was 13 that's about where half my art came from, but I didn't SHOW people that crap because I knew that was just a stepping stone to help me figure shit out.

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  • GodfatherGodfather Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Aaron Lee wrote: »
    I think we all know constructive criticism is an artist's best tool, and if you can't take it, art isn't your thing. Granted, critiques in these forums can be quite brutally honest, but the fact is they are usually point on and valuable.

    But I can assure you, you're not going to impress anybody by poorly copying other people's work. Don't get me wrong, when I was 13 that's about where half my art came from, but I didn't SHOW people that crap because I knew that was just a stepping stone to help me figure shit out.

    The funny thing about all of this is the fact that I just blasted someone's ass over the same goddamn thing I used to do, except she just flat-out traces over anime bullshit. Not only that, but she's done a crapload of these doodles, and she still thinks she's learning correctly.

    I'd post it but I don't want to spam up this thread, but oh man, I was damn proud of that tear down I tell you what.

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  • TiniTini Slippy PARegistered User regular
    edited April 2007
    I'm a big time lurker in these parts, I haven't posted yet to critique anyone, but you... you made me want to. As others are saying, throwing down some scratchy lines in no way makes you an abstract artist. Take the time to develop a real sense of art with correct proportions before going about even trying abstract. I mean even the letters that you drew look like a 5 year old did them. TAKE YOUR TIME, AND THINK BEFORE PUTTING THE PENCIL TO THE PAPER.

    Also I'm curious as to what the hell your art grade is.

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  • Grim OutlookGrim Outlook Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    I really hate how I fucked up here. I had the first eye done so well, but I messed up on the second, which meant I had to erase it with my shitty pencil.

    wait..which one is the eye that was done so well..because both are a little weird.

    you have to treat your pencil as an extension of your body and spirit..you know..like a jedi..with his lightsaber. so maybe when you say you have a shitty pencil, what you're trying to say is that your art it shitty.

    and i'd hate to see the other couple hundred pages of "abstract art"

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  • GrifterGrifter title goes here 32, 64Moderator mod
    edited April 2007
    I think he will get the point when he logs back in. There's no need for anymore posts in this thread.

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