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Self-Protection in the Current Political Climate

mRahmanimRahmani DetroitRegistered User regular
edited January 2017 in Debate and/or Discourse
Donald Trump is the 45th president of the United States.

I originally envisioned this post as an H&A topic, but I realized that while I'm in one of the groups he demonized over the course of his campaign, there are many others. Muslims, LGBTQ, blacks, latinos, and women all fall on the very long list of people he's stirred up vitriol against. We know that openly discriminatory policies are coming; this topic is for discussing how to weather them and survive. Unfortunately, I don't really have a ton of ideas here, but I would be happy to compile a list of what you guys can come up with in the OP as a sort of reference.

Here's where I'm at, personally:

Healthcare: If you know there are any treatments, diagnoses, prescriptions, or preventative care that you're going to need, schedule them as quickly as you can. Many people are at risk of losing healthcare access if/when the ACA is repealed. For those of us not on the ACA, we still don't know what the state of the industry might look like after a potential ACA repeal. Regardless of which group you fall in, getting your medical issues sorted sooner than later is probably wise.

I think this goes double for anybody needing reliable birth control, especially if they live in a red state.

Savings: Yes, this is a tough one. Most of us, myself included, do not have a ton of free cash lying around to build an emergency fund with. All I can say is that if you can scrape together anything as a buffer between yourself and misfortune, do it. Tax return season is coming up; if you're expecting a return, that might be a good starting point.

Mobility: I have US passports for myself, my wife, and my oldest daughter. I plan to apply for a passport for my newborn in the near future. I don't advocate for fleeing the country, but if you can spare the cash and time, I do think a valid passport can be a useful tool to have. If you are a dual citizen like me, having passports from another country is a bonus.

Support: Find people around you. This is going to be a mentally and emotionally exhausting 4 years. Do not be afraid to ask for help. This forum is a good resource, but having somebody to talk to face to face is important too. I don't know of any support groups myself, but if there are any good suggestions I'll be glad to add them here.

Rights: Keep tabs on things like the ACLU. Know what your rights are today, and keep a critical eye on proposed bills that threaten them. Our best strategy to stay safe is to prevent our rights from being lost in the first place. Make them fight for every inch.

Chime in with anything you have to add.

And may the Force be with you.

mRahmani on

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  • urahonkyurahonky Cynical Old Man Registered User regular
    I'm actually thinking about going to a gun range and learning to shoot. I've never shot a gun before in my life but I figure it can't hurt to learn.

  • HakkekageHakkekage Space Whore Academy summa cum laudeRegistered User regular
    re:

    Healthcare: I am nervous about this one. I really don't want to get an IUD, or at least not be so unceremoniously rushed into it. My near future has no time for negotiation with insurance, then waiting for the EXACT MOMENT FOR PROPER INSTALLATION, then suffering pain for a few days. But then again, I may have to pay $$$$ for BC each month. I just don't know.

    Mobility: My dad has been pushing me to get an Iranian passport for years, and I've rebuffed him. It's just an annoying process, i would have to go down to DC, fill out forms in Farsi, etc. Now I am slightly worried having one would also make me a target for any future 'lists'.

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  • syndalissyndalis Getting Classy On the WallRegistered User, Loves Apple Products, Transition Team regular
    edited January 2017
    As someone in a group that was not in any way targeted, this whole sitautaion still makes me absolutely ill.

    All of this advice is good advice, even if you feel "safe" in this current environment. The safety nets getting gutted hurts everyone regardless of race or creed. A country that "others" its own citizens may very well put its eyes on you at some point as the next other, if not for who you were born as, but maybe for what you think or believe.

    And yes, community and friendship in these times will be key. Never feel alone.

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  • ButtcleftButtcleft Registered User regular
    Hakkekage wrote: »
    re:

    Healthcare: I am nervous about this one. I really don't want to get an IUD, or at least not be so unceremoniously rushed into it. My near future has no time for negotiation with insurance, then waiting for the EXACT MOMENT FOR PROPER INSTALLATION, then suffering pain for a few days. But then again, I may have to pay $$$$ for BC each month. I just don't know.

    Mobility: My dad has been pushing me to get an Iranian passport for years, and I've rebuffed him. It's just an annoying process, i would have to go down to DC, fill out forms in Farsi, etc. Now I am slightly worried having one would also make me a target for any future 'lists'.

    IIRC, Iran doesn't recognize dual citizenships, so if you get a passport and so happen to go to Iran..They wont respect your access to American embassy/legal stuff. Just as an FYI,

  • So It GoesSo It Goes We keep moving...Registered User regular
    I intend to make a better stockpile of emergency supplies this year and have better plans what to do in case of natural disaster. I don't feel I can rely on the federal government for swift and appropriate response to disasters the next four years.

  • ForarForar #432 Toronto, Ontario, CanadaRegistered User regular
    Some disaster preparedness efforts probably aren't a bad idea. I'm not advocating an extreme, but in the same way that the CDC had a campaign praising zombie apocalypse preparedness, having resources available is good just in case.

    A box of non-perishable food, some jugs of water, and a few other odds and ends in case one needs to shelter in place, and a backpack with a couple changes of cloths, food, bottle for water, etc.

    There are sites that detail a disaster emergency kit and 'bug out bag', much of which can be done on a budget.

    Again, this isn't some "they might start a civil war" concern, but there's always the potential for unrest over something, or an attack, or hell an actual natural disaster.

    First they came for the Muslims, and we said NOT TODAY, MOTHERFUCKER!
  • Phoenix-DPhoenix-D Registered User regular
    Forar wrote: »
    Some disaster preparedness efforts probably aren't a bad idea. I'm not advocating an extreme, but in the same way that the CDC had a campaign praising zombie apocalypse preparedness, having resources available is good just in case.

    A box of non-perishable food, some jugs of water, and a few other odds and ends in case one needs to shelter in place, and a backpack with a couple changes of cloths, food, bottle for water, etc.

    There are sites that detail a disaster emergency kit and 'bug out bag', much of which can be done on a budget.

    Again, this isn't some "they might start a civil war" concern, but there's always the potential for unrest over something, or an attack, or hell an actual natural disaster.
    Forar wrote: »
    Some disaster preparedness efforts probably aren't a bad idea. I'm not advocating an extreme, but in the same way that the CDC had a campaign praising zombie apocalypse preparedness, having resources available is good just in case.

    A box of non-perishable food, some jugs of water, and a few other odds and ends in case one needs to shelter in place, and a backpack with a couple changes of cloths, food, bottle for water, etc.

    There are sites that detail a disaster emergency kit and 'bug out bag', much of which can be done on a budget.

    Again, this isn't some "they might start a civil war" concern, but there's always the potential for unrest over something, or an attack, or hell an actual natural disaster.

    The last is probably the most important bit. You think FEMA handled Katrina badly? Just wait.

  • mRahmanimRahmani DetroitRegistered User regular
    edited January 2017
    urahonky wrote: »
    I'm actually thinking about going to a gun range and learning to shoot. I've never shot a gun before in my life but I figure it can't hurt to learn.

    I actually just applied for my concealed carry permit a few weeks ago. I'm skeptical that it will actually be useful to me, but it's one more tool in your survival toolkit and as you said, it can't hurt to learn. I would, however, implore anybody looking to explore this route to take a basic gun safety class, practice with their firearm regularly, and store and carry it responsibly and securely. A panicking, untrained user in an emergency is more dangerous to themselves and bystanders than they are to an assailant.
    Hakkekage wrote: »
    re:

    Healthcare: I am nervous about this one. I really don't want to get an IUD, or at least not be so unceremoniously rushed into it. My near future has no time for negotiation with insurance, then waiting for the EXACT MOMENT FOR PROPER INSTALLATION, then suffering pain for a few days. But then again, I may have to pay $$$$ for BC each month. I just don't know.

    Mobility: My dad has been pushing me to get an Iranian passport for years, and I've rebuffed him. It's just an annoying process, i would have to go down to DC, fill out forms in Farsi, etc. Now I am slightly worried having one would also make me a target for any future 'lists'.

    I remember you having very good reasons to be skeptical of Iran being any better for you than a Trump admin. Still, a US passport at a minimum might be useful to you.

    I know zero beyond the very basics of BC discussion, so all I can say on the healthcare front is "good luck." :/

    mRahmani on
  • So It GoesSo It Goes We keep moving...Registered User regular
    Forar wrote: »
    Some disaster preparedness efforts probably aren't a bad idea. I'm not advocating an extreme, but in the same way that the CDC had a campaign praising zombie apocalypse preparedness, having resources available is good just in case.

    A box of non-perishable food, some jugs of water, and a few other odds and ends in case one needs to shelter in place, and a backpack with a couple changes of cloths, food, bottle for water, etc.

    There are sites that detail a disaster emergency kit and 'bug out bag', much of which can be done on a budget.

    Again, this isn't some "they might start a civil war" concern, but there's always the potential for unrest over something, or an attack, or hell an actual natural disaster.

    We are due for a major earthquake soon in this region, and experienced a historic snowstorm recently that really shut down the city and could have easily cut power to our house for days (luckily it did not). So yeah I'm wanting to be a bit more prepared to take care of ourselves for days/weeks before any help arrives.

  • YamiNoSenshiYamiNoSenshi A point called Z In the complex planeRegistered User regular
    So It Goes wrote: »
    Forar wrote: »
    Some disaster preparedness efforts probably aren't a bad idea. I'm not advocating an extreme, but in the same way that the CDC had a campaign praising zombie apocalypse preparedness, having resources available is good just in case.

    A box of non-perishable food, some jugs of water, and a few other odds and ends in case one needs to shelter in place, and a backpack with a couple changes of cloths, food, bottle for water, etc.

    There are sites that detail a disaster emergency kit and 'bug out bag', much of which can be done on a budget.

    Again, this isn't some "they might start a civil war" concern, but there's always the potential for unrest over something, or an attack, or hell an actual natural disaster.

    We are due for a major earthquake soon in this region, and experienced a historic snowstorm recently that really shut down the city and could have easily cut power to our house for days (luckily it did not). So yeah I'm wanting to be a bit more prepared to take care of ourselves for days/weeks before any help arrives.

    Climate change is making storms worse. I wouldn't say you need to be prepared for civil war, but being prepared for weather and natural events should be a pretty big priority right now. If something happens that your local emergency services can't handle, there might not be a federal response or if there is, it will be late and insufficient. This is especially true if you live in a flood or hurricane prone area.

  • TraceTrace GNU Terry Pratchett; GNU Gus; GNU Carrie Fisher; GNU Adam We Registered User regular
    If shit goes to absolute fucking hell Uruguay is my GTFO Card.

    http://www.uruguayrelocate.com/

    Worth looking at. They're probably the most open country in the Americas as far as immigration goes. You need an actual physical presence in the country though but frankly that won't be much of a problem if you want out I don't think.

    I'm not saying "flee now" but I am saying "keep it in mind".

  • ForarForar #432 Toronto, Ontario, CanadaRegistered User regular
    So It Goes wrote: »
    We are due for a major earthquake soon in this region, and experienced a historic snowstorm recently that really shut down the city and could have easily cut power to our house for days (luckily it did not). So yeah I'm wanting to be a bit more prepared to take care of ourselves for days/weeks before any help arrives.

    Exactly. Substantial parts of the US and Canada had a power outage that lasted a few days about a decade ago, and a few years ago we had a massive snow/ice storm that knocked power out in large sections of the city for a few days (I think it took about a week to be resolved in full).

    Even if it's just the peace of mind knowing that the resources are available, it's something I do recommend.

    I've started slowly drawing things together myself. A little extra food that doesn't require preparation and has a significant shelf life, a couple large bottles of water, spare flashlight with batteries, etc.

    First they came for the Muslims, and we said NOT TODAY, MOTHERFUCKER!
  • fightinfilipinofightinfilipino Angry as Hell #BLMRegistered User regular
    Re: Mobility and Rights: if you are undocumented and/or have lawful immigration status (i.e. you're not a U.S. citizen), be aware that DHS/Customs and Border Protection have marching orders to check social media at the borders or at pre-flight entry points. yes, this was started under Obama. yes, DHS officers have the unfettered ability to check your personal devices, cell phones, PCs, etc. and force persons to log in to their devices AND their social media accounts.

    stay safe.

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  • nexuscrawlernexuscrawler Registered User regular
    syndalis wrote: »
    As someone in a group that was not in any way targeted, this whole sitautaion still makes me absolutely ill.

    All of this advice is good advice, even if you feel "safe" in this current environment. The safety nets getting gutted hurts everyone regardless of race or creed. A country that "others" its own citizens may very well put its eyes on you at some point as the next other, if not for who you were born as, but maybe for what you think or believe.

    And yes, community and friendship in these times will be key. Never feel alone.

    touche its easy to assume you're safe because you're white/well-off/male. But your rights can easily be eroded too. Stay vigilant

  • HakkekageHakkekage Space Whore Academy summa cum laudeRegistered User regular
    mRahmani wrote: »
    urahonky wrote: »
    I'm actually thinking about going to a gun range and learning to shoot. I've never shot a gun before in my life but I figure it can't hurt to learn.

    I actually just applied for my concealed carry permit a few weeks ago. I'm skeptical that it will actually be useful to me, but it's one more tool in your survival toolkit and as you said, it can't hurt to learn. I would, however, implore anybody looking to explore this route to take a basic gun safety class, practice with their firearm regularly, and store and carry it responsibly and securely. A panicking, untrained user in an emergency is more dangerous to themselves and bystanders than they are to an assailant.
    Hakkekage wrote: »
    re:

    Healthcare: I am nervous about this one. I really don't want to get an IUD, or at least not be so unceremoniously rushed into it. My near future has no time for negotiation with insurance, then waiting for the EXACT MOMENT FOR PROPER INSTALLATION, then suffering pain for a few days. But then again, I may have to pay $$$$ for BC each month. I just don't know.

    Mobility: My dad has been pushing me to get an Iranian passport for years, and I've rebuffed him. It's just an annoying process, i would have to go down to DC, fill out forms in Farsi, etc. Now I am slightly worried having one would also make me a target for any future 'lists'.

    I remember you having very good reasons to be skeptical of Iran being any better for you than a Trump admin. Still, a US passport at a minimum might be useful to you.

    I know zero beyond the very basics of BC discussion, so all I can say on the healthcare front is "good luck." :/

    Oh, I have a US passport :P

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  • QuidQuid Definitely not a banana Registered User regular
    syndalis wrote: »
    As someone in a group that was not in any way targeted, this whole sitautaion still makes me absolutely ill.

    All of this advice is good advice, even if you feel "safe" in this current environment. The safety nets getting gutted hurts everyone regardless of race or creed. A country that "others" its own citizens may very well put its eyes on you at some point as the next other, if not for who you were born as, but maybe for what you think or believe.

    And yes, community and friendship in these times will be key. Never feel alone.

    touche its easy to assume you're safe because you're white/well-off/male. But your rights can easily be eroded too. Stay vigilant

    I'm a relatively straight white guy in the military. So long as I continue to keep my political opinions to myself I'm fairly safe.

    Right up until Trump starts a new war :sad:

  • nexuscrawlernexuscrawler Registered User regular
    relatively straight

    you're in the navy that means you're at least 20% gay

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  • archivistkitsunearchivistkitsune Registered User regular
    Honestly as someone with a chronic health issue, that got fucked by that kicking in my early twenties, right as the Republicans tanked the economy the last time. The disaster that is about to befall our healthcare scares the living shit out me. I pretty much need to get remicade transfusion so I can function and that shit is expensive. Given the GOP's track record, i would not put it past the fuckers to be gunning for hosing tons of people with chronic conditions, so they have yet another group to bitch about.

    Also not entirely thrilled with the early indications that if you're an American with a disability, you're going to get treated like shit by this administration.

    So I'm not entirely sure what I'm going to do if things get to the point where I can't continue my treatment.

  • MayabirdMayabird Pecking at the keyboardRegistered User regular
    Healthcare: Trump is an antivaxxer who has met with antivaxxers and is getting them in government positions. I've said it in other threads, but get boosters (MMR, tetanus, and whatever else) and whatever other vaccines you can ASAP if at all possible. The vaccination rates are already going down to the point that we're losing herd immunity and it will only be getting worse. If you have kids, make sure they are up to date also. Try to spread the word to any and all not-terrible people you know. With all the shit that will be going down, you won't want mumps on top of it.

  • KaputaKaputa Registered User regular
    So this might be a controversial opinion here, but I think it might be time for liberals and the left to consider arming themselves. I don't want a civil war and I don't want armed insurrection, but if democracy does collapse I think a situation where fascists and a reactionary government are the only people with weapons is... undesirable.

  • mRahmanimRahmani DetroitRegistered User regular
    Kaputa wrote: »
    So this might be a controversial opinion here, but I think it might be time for liberals and the left to consider arming themselves. I don't want a civil war and I don't want armed insurrection, but if democracy does collapse I think a situation where fascists and a reactionary government are the only people with weapons is... undesirable.

    I've just started practicing at the local range.

    Firearms are expensive.

  • SyngyneSyngyne Registered User regular
    urahonky wrote: »
    I'm actually thinking about going to a gun range and learning to shoot. I've never shot a gun before in my life but I figure it can't hurt to learn.

    If you're going to do this for self-defense reasons, please don't just go to the range once or twice and call it done. Regular practice is important. And if possible, sign up for some formal training.

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  • ShivahnShivahn Unaware of her barrel shifter privilege Western coastal temptressRegistered User, Moderator mod
    I'm lucky to have most of the things recommended down, at least for now.

    I mean ideally I'd be cis and straight instead of trans and gay, but...

    Part of me considers the gun thing, but the other part of me is like "any situation in which you need it, you're fucked anyway, because you're probably not going to get mugged by bigots in the areas you're in" and also "you work at a university so you couldn't carry anyway, hah."

    Need to talk to girlfriend about passports. I think hers is up to date, I know mine is. Those are just good to have around.

  • EinzelEinzel Registered User regular
    urahonky wrote: »
    I'm actually thinking about going to a gun range and learning to shoot. I've never shot a gun before in my life but I figure it can't hurt to learn.

    This forum has gunbros so peek in there and see if anyone is in your area. They tend to be very inclusive.

  • mRahmanimRahmani DetroitRegistered User regular
    edited January 2017
    I do not want this to be a thread about armed resistance. If we get to the point of open revolt, the groups at highest risk from this administration will already have been subjected to persecution and violence that makes the rest of the thread more or less moot.

    Now, with the above disclaimer firmly in mind:

    Personally, I am a supporter of having a firearm for self defense. My wife and I both took a concealed carry class last month so that we would have the option if we felt the need. If you are considering this, you need to ask yourself the following questions and be prepared to answer them very honestly:

    1) Am I willing to take the life of another human being in self defense? Be honest. A weapon you are not mentally prepared to use is one that can easily be taken and used against you. By using deadly force, you are accepting the responsibility of ending a human life. You will have to square with that for the rest of yours.
    2) Am I willing and able to handle the legal repercussions from the use of deadly force? Regardless of whether your self defense is justified, there is a high probability you will need to go through the court system and defend your actions.
    3) Am I willing to train with the firearm regularly? An untrained user is statistically much more likely to hurt themselves or an innocent bystander than their assailant. You MUST practice regularly. Depending on what you choose to carry, this may or may not be affordable. Regardless of what you carry, this is going to be a significant time commitment. If you aren't willing to make that commitment, do not carry.

    There are many more things to keep in mind that I'm not going to list. If you're interested in this route, the D&D firearms thread is here. They will be happy to take newbie questions and talk about the mindset and preparation you need to have to exercise your 2nd amendment responsibly.

    mRahmani on
  • PaladinPaladin Registered User regular
    The United States is still a place where you can sue anybody you want. As long as that is still true, your best form of protection is having a good lawyer and legal record hygiene.

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    Doc: That's right, twenty five years into the future. I've always dreamed on seeing the future, looking beyond my years, seeing the progress of mankind. I'll also be able to see who wins the next twenty-five world series.
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