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Leaving Hotel California [California diaspora]

OrcaOrca Registered User regular
edited February 2017 in Debate and/or Discourse
Maybe you moved away for a job. Maybe you moved away for family. Maybe you moved away because you hate good weather.

Or maybe you're bemoaning the invasion of those wimps that put on a wool jacket in 50 degree weather, who complain endlessly about it not being summer year around.

Either way, this is the California emigration thread.

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  • VishNubVishNub Registered User regular
    edited February 2017
    Recently left CA after seven years of grad school. Moved to Texas (dallas). The weather doesn't actually bother me, but the fact everything is so fucking far away is infuriating.

    Mostly I miss the beach. And the mountains.

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  • burboburbo Registered User regular
    I left California for upstate New York grad school, then moved to Portland. I like the friendlier way of California, but having the opportunity to own a house in my lifetime is a pretty good pull away from Cali.

  • mare_imbriummare_imbrium Registered User regular
    edited February 2017
    I also moved to the Dallas-Ft Worth area (on the Fort Worth side, about fifteen minutes from the DFW airport). My husband's company (as a result of a buyout) closed his office in Huntington Beach and offered him a package to relocate here. We decided to move and I wish every day we hadn't. I was always on shaky mental footing but I've been so so damn depressed since we found out.

    I am also offended by weather. My husband was born in California too but he thinks weather is cool. He doesn't understand my just, righteous indignation at having to check a weather report every morning. I have never in my life had to care so much about meteorology. And it's just wrong all the time anyway! More than once I've been out and oh, surprise storm! I got stuck in the bathroom of a Starbucks because the sirens went off while I was out with a friend and I didn't even know it was going to rain that day!

    Oh. I always assumed that people hated us because of our (relative) wealth. When I was researching this area I read tons of bitching about how people from this area were having trouble buying homes because they were all getting snapped up by Californians selling modest houses at home and finding they could buy half a block with cash here. I am not one of those people (I honestly gave up on ever buying a house years ago) but it's still so weird to see so so many houses for sale for $200k, $250k... Basically anything less than half a million dollars seems like a steal still.

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  • burboburbo Registered User regular
    Orca wrote: »
    burbo wrote: »
    I left California for upstate New York grad school, then moved to Portland. I like the friendlier way of California, but having the opportunity to own a house in my lifetime is a pretty good pull away from Cali.

    Isn't Portland rapidly developing right now? I would imagine that's shooting house prices up, if not yet to Bay Area prices.

    Yes, to both things. Median here is still less than half of bay area, but it's caused a lot of stress for people. I'm sympathetic, but as a Californian, you understand that if you live in a cool place, other people will want to live there as well. It's the cost of having nice things.

    Also, my work is such that only a handful of places have jobs for it,almost all of them being major metro. I could be the bay area, but its just not my jam.

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  • RT800RT800 Registered User regular
    edited February 2017
    I am fine with almost all weather phenomena. Rain. Lightning. Blizzards. Hail. Sunshine.

    I do not like tornadoes, though. They are the angry fingers of God, raking 'cross the countryside.

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  • Santa ClaustrophobiaSanta Claustrophobia Ho Ho Ho Disconnecting from Xbox LIVERegistered User regular
    VishNub wrote: »
    Recently left CA after seven years of grad school. Moved to Texas (dallas). The weather doesn't actually bother me, but the fact everything is so fucking far away is infuriating.

    Mostly I miss the beach. And the mountains.

    So. Fucking. Much.

    When I got here, I had a small amount of anxiety. It wasn't until I figured out that it was because I couldn't see mountains in the distance that it passed.


    What I really love about being here is that when there is a traffic incident (and there always is somewhere...) the local cops have to close down like 95% of the freeway for a car stuck on the shoulder.

    You're muckin' with a G!

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  • knitdanknitdan Registered User regular
    edited February 2017
    As a non-Californian

    Could you folks stop moving where I live and fucking up the local real estate market because you were able to sell a trailer on a 1/3 acre lot for $500k?

    Thanks.

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  • NSDFRandNSDFRand FloridaRegistered User regular
    knitdan wrote: »
    As a non-Californian

    Could you folks stop moving where I live and fucking up the local real estate market because you were able to sell a trailer on a 1/3 acre lot for $500k?

    Thanks.

    I have to say I find it funny that someone will ask "why do people not like it when Californians move to their city?" when just a few posts above this one someone explicitly recognizes that they are fucking over people when they move en masse to a place with a lower cost of living.

  • knitdanknitdan Registered User regular
    edited February 2017
    I do appreciate the political shift that tends to happen though. And the cool restaurants that eventually show up.

    So I'm conflicted.

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  • NSDFRandNSDFRand FloridaRegistered User regular
    knitdan wrote: »
    I do appreciate the political shift that tends to happen though. And the cool restaurants that eventually show up.

    So I'm conflicted.

    I live in a place without a massive influx of Calinfornia transplants and we have plenty of ethnic food restaurants owned by immigrants. I would rather have the drive through ME food place owned by people from the ME, the actual Latin food restaurants owned and ran by families from El Salvador, Mexico, Venezuela etc. etc. than the "SoFloFo" fusion restaurants owned and run by celebrity chefs.

  • OremLKOremLK Registered User regular
    And most cities do a shitty job of keeping up with housing demand... Because the whole process is designed around protecting the status quo for the very residents who complain about housing prices going up.

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  • NSDFRandNSDFRand FloridaRegistered User regular
    Orca wrote: »
    NSDFRand wrote: »
    knitdan wrote: »
    As a non-Californian

    Could you folks stop moving where I live and fucking up the local real estate market because you were able to sell a trailer on a 1/3 acre lot for $500k?

    Thanks.

    I have to say I find it funny that someone will ask "why do people not like it when Californians move to their city?" when just a few posts above this one someone explicitly recognizes that they are fucking over people when they move en masse to a place with a lower cost of living.

    It's a supply/demand thing. It's what's driving housing prices to ridiculous levels all across the west coast, and in New York (and presumably other places as well). This is what happens when there are good jobs to be had (see also North Dakota during the oil boom), and that goes double if it's also nice to live there for other reasons.

    I recognize why it happens. I'm pointing out that it's funny to see "Why do people not like transplants?" and it be acknowledged that "We're fucking them over, but oh well it's their fault for being somewhere we want to be" in the same thread.

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  • knitdanknitdan Registered User regular
    edited February 2017
    I live in the Eastern Washington/North Idaho region and it was a culinary and cultural wasteland for a lot of years. The only "immigrant food" we had were the Mexican and Chinese places that everyone has. Even pizza places were just variations on Pizza Hut but now we have a lot of those quickfire build-your-own places.

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  • firewaterwordfirewaterword Satchitananda Pais Vasco to San FranciscoRegistered User regular
    edited February 2017
    Oh hey neat thread. I'm still in CA (in the north bay) but sorely tempted to get the fuck out. The cost of living is absurd, and the traffic around here is getting worse by the day. Don't know where I'd go though. Probably somewhere I have family I guess. Colorado is tempting. Same with New Zealand. The "nice" thing is that my sense of value is so stupidly out of whack after living here so long that everything seems so wonderfully affordable. I used to imagine I'd never want to live far from San Francisco, but god damn has that city changed for the worse in the last ten years.

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  • Captain MarcusCaptain Marcus now arrives the hour of actionRegistered User regular
    edited February 2017
    Orca wrote: »
    So you mean bad Mexican and worse Americanized Chinese? (my experience with "Chinese" food outside of major metropolitan areas along the coasts has been...disappointing at best)
    Actually the massive influx of legal and illegal immigrants from south of the border has pretty much guaranteed at least one "authentic" taco stand in every burg. Some of the best Mexican food I've ever had was in the Florida Panhandle.

    Edit- could someone repost that "CalExodus" plan?

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  • jungleroomxjungleroomx It's never too many graves, it's always not enough shovels Registered User regular
    We have a lot of Mexican immigrants in Nebraska and the Mexican food is outstanding.

  • Mortal SkyMortal Sky queer punk hedge witchRegistered User regular
    If it makes y'all feel any better I've had similar thoughts about moving out of now reliably expensive and blue Virginia to PA or MI. Probably Michigan. Fuckin love Detroit.

    Also I cannot tell, is the weather thing a joke, or is that a real actual circlin' of the gherkins over the cold and precipitation that I see going on

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  • jungleroomxjungleroomx It's never too many graves, it's always not enough shovels Registered User regular
    edited February 2017
    I love inclement weather, except (as someone else said) tornadoes.

    I started getting depression from no weather variance in Phoenix (always sunny). I can only imagine how bad not having seasons at all would be.

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  • Mortal SkyMortal Sky queer punk hedge witchRegistered User regular
    Because yeah Chicago or Detroit are a) way better for ethnic food than you'd guess, and b) sorta okay for driving. Detroit is actually good for traffic! Just gotta live with the cold

  • jungleroomxjungleroomx It's never too many graves, it's always not enough shovels Registered User regular
    And heck, you might enjoy your first taste of real American barbecue.

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  • Captain MarcusCaptain Marcus now arrives the hour of actionRegistered User regular
    I love inclement weather, except (as someone else said) tornadoes.

    I started getting depression from no weather variance in Phoenix (always sunny). I can only imagine how bad not having seasons at all would be.
    I know I'll miss my Florida 4 pm thunderstorms come summer.

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  • jungleroomxjungleroomx It's never too many graves, it's always not enough shovels Registered User regular
    Orca wrote: »
    And heck, you might enjoy your first taste of real American barbecue.

    Real American barbecue is the only thing redeeming Missouri.

    It's a good thing they have it in such quantities!

    Missouri aka East Kansas.

    I'm really worried that Brownbackistan is going to spread like a cancer throughout the midwest like it did to MO.

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  • jungleroomxjungleroomx It's never too many graves, it's always not enough shovels Registered User regular
    Orca wrote: »
    Brownbackistan. I'ma haveta remember that.

    Brownback has really, really jacked Kansas up and is now blaming Obama.

    Apparently your guy is doing the same crap, so, best of luck to you. Seriously.

  • burboburbo Registered User regular
    NSDFRand wrote: »
    knitdan wrote: »
    As a non-Californian

    Could you folks stop moving where I live and fucking up the local real estate market because you were able to sell a trailer on a 1/3 acre lot for $500k?

    Thanks.

    I have to say I find it funny that someone will ask "why do people not like it when Californians move to their city?" when just a few posts above this one someone explicitly recognizes that they are fucking over people when they move en masse to a place with a lower cost of living.

    That's not really what happened. No one moves end masses. Everyone moves individually for individual reasons. Also didn't say people were being fucked over, just that housing prices rise. Many other things are improved at the same time.

    Californians have been used to people flooding their state for decades, to the point where owning a home there is damn near impossible. We take it as a compliment, but it can also push people out. If individuals decide they want to live somewhere else, people act like their fucking terrorists. Are they just supposed to be locked into their state? Are they supposed to intentionally choose somewhere shitty to live?

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    OremLK wrote: »
    And most cities do a shitty job of keeping up with housing demand... Because the whole process is designed around protecting the status quo for the very residents who complain about housing prices going up.

    We left California largely to escape housing costs.

    I understand the frustration that demand is driving up costs for everybody... but it is driving up costs for everybody and getting mad at your new middle class neighbors about it is crab bucket thinking.

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