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[Hiberno-Britannic Politics] This guy, who I named "Brexit", did something stupid
RMS Oceanic
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So this archipelago
Has these nations.
These nations are almost completely not unique in that they're run by a system known as Politics!
The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland
Run by this Lady.
These folk would rather she didn't.
The Issues
So after the most unrepresentative general election in history, as I'll let CGP Grey explain:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9rGX91rq5I
A major constitutional decision was put to a straight up/down vote for questionable reasons of internal party politics, and it backfired cataclysmically because of milquetoast Remain campaigning and relentless criminally irresponsible bullshit. I'll also let CGP Grey explain what the current situation is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3_I2rfApYk
There are some other issues like Theresa May's downplaying of Climate Change as part of her reshuffle and Jeremy Hunt still being a dick to the NHS, but Brexit dominates the political landscape.
There's also an attempt to oust Robespierre from the National Convention, but the sans-culottes seem to be rallying to protect him even if he won't actually give them Bread and the Constitution of 1793 because his own sense of virtue is more important. This risks a Federalist Revolt. Robespierre is triumphant and is striving to create his Nation of Virtue, all the while the Comte d'Artois has secured Paris and is vascilating on how to handle the continental system.
And of course we now have to see what happens in light of the Trumpscendance.
A spiffing place to keep up to date with the latest developments.
An Poblacht na hÉireann
Okay, as someone who actually lives in the Republic of Ireland Desktop Hippie did an infinitely better job than I did explaining things, so I'm gonna pilfer this goldmine of a post to give you a lay of the land.
And this image probably sums up what Ireland thinks about the world right now
A shockin' good place to see what the feck the craic is.
So, discuss the goings on in the Dail and the Commons!
(Thanks to hbomberguy for inspiring the thread title)
Has these nations.
These nations are almost completely not unique in that they're run by a system known as Politics!
The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland
Run by this Lady.
These folk would rather she didn't.
The Issues
So after the most unrepresentative general election in history, as I'll let CGP Grey explain:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9rGX91rq5IA major constitutional decision was put to a straight up/down vote for questionable reasons of internal party politics, and it backfired cataclysmically because of milquetoast Remain campaigning and relentless criminally irresponsible bullshit. I'll also let CGP Grey explain what the current situation is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3_I2rfApYkThere are some other issues like Theresa May's downplaying of Climate Change as part of her reshuffle and Jeremy Hunt still being a dick to the NHS, but Brexit dominates the political landscape.
There's also an attempt to oust Robespierre from the National Convention, but the sans-culottes seem to be rallying to protect him even if he won't actually give them Bread and the Constitution of 1793 because his own sense of virtue is more important. This risks a Federalist Revolt. Robespierre is triumphant and is striving to create his Nation of Virtue, all the while the Comte d'Artois has secured Paris and is vascilating on how to handle the continental system.
And of course we now have to see what happens in light of the Trumpscendance.
A spiffing place to keep up to date with the latest developments.
An Poblacht na hÉireann
Okay, as someone who actually lives in the Republic of Ireland Desktop Hippie did an infinitely better job than I did explaining things, so I'm gonna pilfer this goldmine of a post to give you a lay of the land.
Desktop Hippie wrote:Okay then, let's add a little Hiberno to the Hiberno-Britannic Politics thread! Because I've been keeping quiet lately but there's actually a fair bit happening over here.
As @RMS Oceanic Said in the OP, this chap
is Enda Kenny, An Taoiseach, the Irish version of Prime Minister of An Poblacht na hÉireann. However, he's had a pretty bad week and is facing calls to step down, because quitting is all the rage these days.
To understand the situation better, I need to go over the last Irish General Election.
It was a mess.
Here's a rundown of the main contenders:
You had Fianna Gael, who were in power and very unpopular due to their mismanagement of a number of different austerity measures and because they pushed ahead with the EU stipulation that Ireland had to bring in water charges, something most other European countries have (including the UK.) The issue of water charges has been a huge one in Ireland, with many who have been struggling with lower wages, higher taxes and an increased cost of living seeing it as the final straw and refusing outright to pay.
You had Labour, who helped Fianna Gael with all this, despite the fact that they're SUPPOSED TO BE A FUCKING LABOUR PARTY!
You had Fianna Fáil, arch enemies of Fianna Gael and the party who were in power before and during the 2008 financial crisis, who also drove our economy headlong into the worst of it, which lead to all the crap Fianna Gael has done since - something Fianna Gael are very keen to point out.
You had The Green Party, who helped Fianna Fáil to do all this, despite the fact that they're SUPPOSED TO BE A FUCKING GREEN PARTY!
You had Sinn Féin, growing in popularity in working class Dublin and various areas of the country by setting themselves up as the anti-corruption "honest" party, railing against the politicians who took bribes from Ben Dunne while hoping nobody pointed out that they had kidnapped him.
You had the Social Democrats, a small left wing outfit who are quickly becoming the choice for voters sick of the irony of having a right of center Labour party.
You had Renua, who were... honestly, Mrs. Lovejoy pretty much covers it.
You had People Before Profit and the Anti Austerity Alliance. Both parties do exactly what it says on the tin.
And you had independents. Lots and lots and LOTS of independents, who range from this guy...
Shane Ross, voice of the middle-to-upper-middle class who see themselves as the real victims of the 2008 financial crisis. To be fair, they're not entirely wrong. The collapse in the value of bank shares meant that many who had spent their entire lives working and were getting ready for a nice, comfy retirement saw their pensions obliterated overnight and instead find themselves having to grind through their golden years clinging to their jobs and living hand-to-mouth. They absolutely have caused to be pissed off, but they do tend to wear a bit on the nerves of someone who has to sit in a sodden adult nappy in their wheelchair for hours on end because their home care visits have been cut back to two half hours every day.
...to this guy
Mick Wallace, voice of lower-to-middle class who campaigns against austerity, against overpunitive drug policy and against discrimination against women - making him one of the few who will tackle the abortion issue head on - while quietly hoping that nobody remembers that he's a well off property developer.
Oh and you also had these guys
Michael and Danny Healy-Rae, who represent the all important Kerry farmers vote. Because of course they do.
"Gosh, Desktop Hippie!" you say! "What a web of interests and intrigue! Who won the election?"
That's the problem. Nobody.
Well, Fianna Gael juuuuust about managed to keep a majority despite losing a bunch of seats, but it wasn't enough to form a government and while many other parties gained significant ground, none of them had enough to form a government either. After the longest gap between an election and the formation of a government in the history of the Irish State (lasting over 50 days!) Fianna Gael eventually hammered out a deal with Shane Ross and his Independent Alliance, a group of six independent TDs (the Irish version of MPs) who agreed to club together as a sort of minority party in exchange for focus on their various raisons d'être and seats on the cabinet. This is exactly as stable a government as you're probably imagining it to be.
So, the election was in February of this year and we finally got a government at the end of April. What's happened since then?
Well, Fianna Fáil have continued to gain ground with people who are willing to forgive the whole destroying-the-economy thing if they promise to be good TDs and never do it again, especially since Fianna Gael are coming across as dangerously unstable in the fragile post-Brexit days. To tackle Brexit head on, Enda Kenny decided to set up an all-island forum focusing entirely on Brexit and the fallout. However, he sort of forgot to tell First Minister and DUP Leader Arlene Foster about it in advance. Needless to say, this went down like a lead balloon. Adding to this, there was a vote on the hugely controversial issue of abortion (still illegal in Ireland, don't get me started) in which Enda allowed his Independent ministers a free vote, which drew sharp criticism.
The biggest problem though? He fired the Deputy Leader of Fianna Gael, went through a selection process to choose a new Deputy Leader and has decided to go with... the guy he fired.
Feeling better about Theresa May yet?
And this image probably sums up what Ireland thinks about the world right now
A shockin' good place to see what the feck the craic is.
So, discuss the goings on in the Dail and the Commons!
(Thanks to hbomberguy for inspiring the thread title)
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Does the Commons have a doctor on call, I think she's having a seizure
"Nothing is gonna save us forever but a lot of things can save us today." - Night in the Woods
Terrifying development.
Choose Your Own Chat 1 Choose Your Own Chat 2 Choose Your Own Chat 3
"Two weeks."
I heard the interview, and it was mentioned almost in passing, but yes - Hammond said we wouldn't be part of the customs union. He said "we need to negotiate a customs relationship that works in the best interests of blah blah blah everyone needs to stop talking Brexit down blah blah blah the decision has been made everyone stop talking about it"
It's striking how quickly the government's position on these things change. Have they been told that associate membership is a non starter? Because Hammond said:
It should have been a children's story about a cat, surely?
What's with our politicians relatively frequently looking like they're wearing malfunctioning human suits?
(While "The Waldo Moment" is one of my least favourite episodes, it may also be the one that's been most prophetic.)
"Nothing is gonna save us forever but a lot of things can save us today." - Night in the Woods
At least they're not farting prolifically
I'm not familiar with Irish politics, but I can't imagine anyone thre wants a hard border?
I can't think of anybody who has called for it. Not even the DUP. There's a Belfast-Dublin motorway built on the premise of there being no border. Tons of communities and small roads that straggle the border which will be a logistical nightmare to monitor and probably be yet another waste of money that could have (not) been spent on the NHS.
Their entire sales pitch can be described as "Good Friday what now?"
Gibraltar.
So is this how Gibraltar becomes part of spain again?between that and a hard border I know which on I'd go for
Nowhere else voted so decisively to remain. Not even Scotland. It was something like 95-5.
Haven't heard anything, but if Madrid aren't trying to butter them up they're missing a trick.
Oh wait no not funny. Sad
just sad
Surprise 25% tax charge on transferring your benefits overseas! Oof
Makes sense given what's coming
They missed a trick on that caption.
Well sort of
The government is cracking down on tax relief on pensions for higher earners and has been for years
Most overseas transfers are big ones to, like, Malta and Gibraltar and such
It does sound like an attempt to mitigate/dissuade some sort of mass capital flight as well.
This is a good article on Gibraltar and the EU
Paywall, can you please quote a few highlights?
But yes if you are genuinely moving abroad you'll be fine
I'm surprised anyone still thought that manifesto mattered. The current government certainly doesn't think so - they weren't elected on it after all.
"It matters when I wanted it!"
No it doesn't. It states aims relating to the single market should we remain in the EU. By that rationale you believe post Brexit we should be part of the Common Agricultural Policy (as the manifesto seeks to reform this, again as part of the EU).
I made a game, it has penguins in it. It's pay what you like on Gumroad.
Currently Ebaying Nothing at all but I might do in the future.
Has any version of the bill been submitted to the Queen? Pretty sure she needs to sign off on it to formally transfer the power.
Can the SNP survive losing another Indyref?
Could be in a Lib Dem situation where what everybody else did makes it easier to forgive their past transgressions
Sturgeon is saying autumn 2018 as a logical choice. That still seems too soon.