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Terrorist Attack at Ariana Grande Concert, 22 Dead, Suspect in Custody
ElJeffe
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dispatch.o wrote:So some shitheads did a thing tonight at a concert in Manchester England, initial reports are that 19 people are dead with 50 injured. I am sure those numbers will change.
Information seems sparse. Initial reports are suicide bombing according to http://www.latimes.com/world/la-fg-manchest-explosion-20170522-story.html
Happened at an Ariana Grande concert.
No one has claimed responsibility that I can find, it appears to have been a nail bomb of some kind.
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Hopefully this was the correct thread to add this to. I just don't even have the energy right now to understand why some people are so awful. This was a concert with a bunch of kids. For fucks sake.
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Last I heard, the bombing was being "treated as if it was terrorism", but nobody was willing to say for sure. I'll update the thread title as more info is released.
From what I've seen, police are saying it's intentional but they haven't narrowed it down further yet. There is a notable factoid about the date though, as on May 22 2013 a soldier in the UK was attacked by a pair of men with knives.
I mean... it's hard to confuse an explosive device in a concert.
This is horrible.
Yes but we don't know the color of the suspects yet.
Britain is in the middle of a General Election. The Conservatives have already suspended campaigning and it's expected the other parties will follow suit.
It looks very much like it was a nail bomb. There was also a stampede which probably caused a few more injuries. Local hospitals say they've been treating shrapnel wounds and crush injuries.
Some of the stories doing the rounds on social media that are NOT true:
ISIS claiming responsibility (Nope, nobody has yet)
There were multiple explosions (Every witness so far just mentions one bang)
There was shooting (Some witnesses heard something like gunshots, but nobody saw a shooter and no hospitals have mentioned gunshot wounds)
There's a gunman outside Oldham Hospital (I have no fucking idea where people got that from. I think someone mistook them turning patients away to keep their A&E dept clear for mass casualties as them going on lockdown or something.)
Another bomb was found (a "suspicious item" turned out to be discarded clothing which the police performed a controlled explosion on because when you're dealing with a possible terrorist attack you don't fuck around)
ONE man took part in the attack outside Westminster earlier this year. He was from Kent. Which is where Nigel Farage is from. They're also the same age.
No, Manchester is NOT a "hotbed of Islamic radicals." It's where the soap "Coronation Street" is filmed.
I don't want to awesome your post because it's such a terrible thing that has happened, but thank you for sharing your fact checking.
So they've been playing it fairly quiet, or they were. Haven't checked any other headline places lately.
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Still, probably too early to pin down the reason behind the bomb. I travel to Manchester a lot to go shopping and for conventions, so this is horrific.
Yeah it's wayyyyy too early to know who is responsible, or what BS "reason" they had. I think people are speculating because Islamic extremists, when they have bombs, tend to set off more than one, while the IRA and their splinter groups haven't bombed the UK in years, are mostly inactive, tend to claim responsibility quickly and usually call in a warning first if they're going for a civilian target. Plus they were fond of the multiple explosions approach too.
There hasn't been much of a history of extreme right wing terrorism in the UK, especially bombers. I can only think of one guy off the top of my head, a Neo-Nazi who nail bombed Brixton several times, targeting gay pubs.
The only thing is if this was some deranged stalker they created a big explosion. 19 deaths is a lot. It's not easy to make something that packs that much of a punch. It's a lot harder to make it in a way that can be transported to a concert arena without arousing suspicion or blowing yourself up.
This is a big point, one that was remarked on once the method used by the 2016 Brussels Bombings were made known. I won't specify the ingredients used to make their explosives, but I think even the Wikipedia article mentions the final compound and it's very shock-sensitive. How they managed to even transport it by car in a fully constructed state is remarkable.
As an aside, if you decide to look up what they made it will become obvious how attempting to ban or track such basic items is not a feasible angle of attack to preventing future incidents. This is even simpler chemistry than the DIY ANFO weapons used in Oklahoma City or by the IRA.
edit for clarity.
When someone intentionally blows up a room full of people "was it terrorism?" isn't even a question that should be asked. Let alone first, and certainly not dwelt upon. Because of course it was; in any sense that matters.
The problem we face are alienated and otherwise unhappy people searching for purpose or retribution. Whether they are driven by 4chan, a music video, or a slick terrorist e-Zine is immaterial to their capability or resolve.
They are simply murderers, and we should not credit them with the undue recognition that other labels might confer.
Apologies, that was directed at the media/general public, not you. It was meant to be concurring with your first sentiment, that there has to be a better way to define the problem.
I didn't think so, which is why I was more specific to the opening statement; I mean no attack. I think we agree on the roots, the unhappiness of people and the draw of certain groups they can readily identify with. Which, in our time and various places, can be spotted. It is our aim to move against those groups while simultaneously preventing the advancement of the others we deem destructive if not absolutely then in a means that can be limited to our satisfaction.
Then let the motivators be the terrorists. The killer is just a tool. What set that tool to purpose is not as concerning to me as how it was made, and the common thread that exists between would-be religious martyrs and school shooters a-like. Crazy stalkers probably fall through similar cracks, though they probably trend more toward just needing to be properly medicated; so fair point there on the distinction.
The difficulty is that the killer is used not only as a tool but as propaganda. The propaganda the killer generates reaches a greater pool of other potential victims of the ideology, and so on and so forth. We need to find a short-circuit for these paths to end them outright, before they become energetic enough for tragedies like we saw this past evening.
Hopefully it's just a false alarm.
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Well of course they would, the opportunistic scum bags
wont be sufi, shia, etc
Anyway whenever something upsetting happens that they need to cover, they point people to this section of their website, which gives advice to kids upset by what they're seeing and hearing.
It's pretty good advice. If any of you are dealing with worried or upset kids it's worth a read.
http://metro.co.uk/2017/05/23/man-23-arrested-over-ariana-grande-manchester-terror-attack-6655553/
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/ariana-grande-concert-manchester-arena-bombing-suspect-salman-abedi-isis-claim/
My 4 month old daughter has a cold; I'm sure ISIS would like to take credit for that if given the opportunity.
It wasn't until later that people who had been much, much closer to the blast were able to describe what they'd experienced, by which time the media had a bunch of reports conflicting with their description of what has happened, so it took a while to be sure that there had been a large explosion. Even then, they couldn't be certain it was a bomb. The NHS staff were the first to identify it as a nail bomb because they were dealing with the wounded. It can be assumed that the police figured it out about the same time, but updating the press was low on their priorities.
Shit like this is crazy and confusing and if news outlets are being cautious about confirming what's happened there's a good reason for it, is what I'm saying here.
@ElJeffe - I presume political implications are best left to the brexit thread?