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Resignations/Firings From the Increasingly Chaotic White House

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  • AtomikaAtomika Live fast and get fucked or whatever Registered User regular
    edited August 2017
    I find myself wondering how the rest of Trump's WH staff is taking his effusively positive tweets about the fired Nazi fartbag that has vowed to take down all of Trump's remaining team.

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  • Gennenalyse RuebenGennenalyse Rueben The Prettiest Boy is Ridiculously Pretty Registered User regular
    Disrupter wrote: »
    I don't think Bannon getting fired is some master plan. But I also don't think it means he's lost Trumps ear or even the fued within the WH. I think it's a cut their losses response to last weekend.

    They probably wish he was still at the WH but realized they could gain some optics and plausible deniability by cutting him.

    I'm not happy he's gone because I don't think it changes much except makes it harder to tie him around trumps neck like an ill fitted tie

    I mean, one of the things that's been consistent about Trump is that anyone trying to use him needs to be at it constantly, whispering into their ear over and over and fighting against everyone else trying to do the same thing. Without his physical presence, Bannon's lost the advantage of physical presence. And if you're trying to use Donald Trump, you need absolutely every advantage you can get because he is incredibly unreliable. Having Trump's ear doesn't mean a whole lot when the man melts down over a million things per day that don't soothe his fragile ego and goes off-script practically whenever he feels like it.

    I don't believe for a second that this is some real plan here. Trump doesn't have discernible plans, he just flails about wildly while demanding his subordinates do things. And then contradicting them the next day.

  • FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    Kelly can be a racist without sharing Bannon's policy goals. Bannon has explicitly said he wants to remake the American government. I don't think a general would approve of that.

  • Mild ConfusionMild Confusion Smash All Things Registered User regular
    Drez wrote: »
    Xantomas wrote: »
    Bannon is going to go full bore mudslinging against his team (the very best people!) and his family. Why on earth would he be supportive of that?

    Trump is a believer that infighting makes for stronger underlings. He uses the Skeletor/Cobra Commander leadership playbook.

    Trump's administration so far is just an elaborate beta test for Shadows of War's updated Nemesis system.

    I sometimes entertain the notion that Trump is proof that we are actually living inside a simulation and that the programmers are having a lark on how stupid shit can get before we wake up Matrix style.

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  • Mx. QuillMx. Quill I now prefer "Myr. Quill", actually... {They/Them}Registered User regular
    Drez wrote: »
    Xantomas wrote: »
    Bannon is going to go full bore mudslinging against his team (the very best people!) and his family. Why on earth would he be supportive of that?

    Trump is a believer that infighting makes for stronger underlings. He uses the Skeletor/Cobra Commander leadership playbook.

    Trump's administration so far is just an elaborate beta test for Shadows of War's updated Nemesis system.

    I sometimes entertain the notion that Trump is proof that we are actually living inside a simulation and that the programmers are having a lark on how stupid shit can get before we wake up Matrix style.

    If the real world is besieged by killer robots, I think I'd rather be out of the simulation.

  • archivistkitsunearchivistkitsune Registered User regular
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    Kelly can be a racist without sharing Bannon's policy goals. Bannon has explicitly said he wants to remake the American government. I don't think a general would approve of that.

    Yeah, Kelly can be a horrible person without being the kind of problem Bannon is. Bannon strikes me as one of those shits they will try to get away with whatever he thinks he can get away with (aka if you play chess against him, if he thinks he can bullshit his way into move one victory, where he declares his pawn can remove your king before your move any pieces, he'll fucking doing). Kelly seems to be in the orbit of McCain, he might have some really shitty beliefs, but he'll follow the established rules and might not act on some of his shitty beliefs because doing so would break the rules (going back to the analogy, if you played chess against him, he wouldn't try making up bullshit rules even if he thought that judge or an angry mob of supporters would let him get away with it).
    Delzhand wrote: »
    Bannon's war begins

    Headline on Breitbart right now:
    Report: Powerful GOP Donor Sheldon Adelson Supports Campaign to Oust McMaster

    Picking a fight with the GOP establishment and the Zionist lobby?

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    Yeah, seems like he's just a moron.[/quote]

    I had a feeling McMaster was going to be the first one he went after because that guy was the least tolerant of his brand of bullshit. From what we know, McMaster is 2/2 for getting unqualified right wing assholes off of something they had no business being involved in. One of them was Bannon, but there was also some little shit that came in with Flynn (I think he was one Flynn recommended) that he got booted after the guy said something really fucking stupid and used Bannon's shitty propaganda outfit as his source.

  • CalicaCalica Registered User regular
    Drez wrote: »
    Xantomas wrote: »
    Bannon is going to go full bore mudslinging against his team (the very best people!) and his family. Why on earth would he be supportive of that?

    Trump is a believer that infighting makes for stronger underlings. He uses the Skeletor/Cobra Commander leadership playbook.

    Trump's administration so far is just an elaborate beta test for Shadows of War's updated Nemesis system.

    I sometimes entertain the notion that Trump is proof that we are actually living inside a simulation and that the programmers are having a lark on how stupid shit can get before we wake up Matrix style.

    If we're living in a simulation, then we are simulated too and there will be no "waking up." The best you could hope for would be to have your file eventually imported into another universe.

  • PantsBPantsB Fake Thomas Jefferson Registered User regular
    edited August 2017
    Well I'm glad we've returned to Bannon level standards at Breitbart


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  • Mx. QuillMx. Quill I now prefer "Myr. Quill", actually... {They/Them}Registered User regular
    edited August 2017
    Calica wrote: »
    Drez wrote: »
    Xantomas wrote: »
    Bannon is going to go full bore mudslinging against his team (the very best people!) and his family. Why on earth would he be supportive of that?

    Trump is a believer that infighting makes for stronger underlings. He uses the Skeletor/Cobra Commander leadership playbook.

    Trump's administration so far is just an elaborate beta test for Shadows of War's updated Nemesis system.

    I sometimes entertain the notion that Trump is proof that we are actually living inside a simulation and that the programmers are having a lark on how stupid shit can get before we wake up Matrix style.

    If we're living in a simulation, then we are simulated too and there will be no "waking up." The best you could hope for would be to have your file eventually imported into another universe.

    But will I keep my Galactic Readiness?


    Also if that's the sort of useless trash we can expect from Bannon here on out, I doubt he'll manage to do anything of noteworthiness.

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  • MuddBuddMuddBudd Registered User regular
    Disrupter wrote: »
    I don't think Bannon getting fired is some master plan. But I also don't think it means he's lost Trumps ear or even the fued within the WH. I think it's a cut their losses response to last weekend.

    They probably wish he was still at the WH but realized they could gain some optics and plausible deniability by cutting him.

    I'm not happy he's gone because I don't think it changes much except makes it harder to tie him around trumps neck like an ill fitted tie

    It is absolutely harder to get the President on the phone compared to working in the White House. And if Kelly really puts his foot down, he could probably limit even that.

    Bannon isn't ruined or anything, but this is absolutely a blow to his agenda.

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  • jothkijothki Registered User regular
    So what factions are still left at the White House? Are we down to racists, military, and shitty businessmen now, or am I missing a group?

  • CelestialBadgerCelestialBadger Registered User regular
    Trump generally seems to agree with whoever spoke to him last. So Bannon speaking to him less often means he doesn't get his agenda across. Plus, Trump is too lazy a reader to really enjoy Breitbart.

  • SneaksSneaks Registered User regular
    edited August 2017
    MuddBudd wrote: »
    Bannon isn't ruined or anything, but this is absolutely a blow to his agenda.

    Has anyone linked Bannon's interview in the Weekly Standard yet? (If so, I didn't see it.) Here's the pertinent bit:
    “The Trump presidency that we fought for, and won, is over,” Bannon said Friday, shortly after confirming his departure. “We still have a huge movement, and we will make something of this Trump presidency. But that presidency is over. It’ll be something else. And there’ll be all kinds of fights, and there’ll be good days and bad days, but that presidency is over.”

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  • MuddBuddMuddBudd Registered User regular
    Sneaks wrote: »
    MuddBudd wrote: »
    Bannon isn't ruined or anything, but this is absolutely a blow to his agenda.

    Has anyone linked Bannon's interview in the Weekly Standard yet? (If so, I didn't see it.) Here's the pertinent bit:
    “The Trump presidency that we fought for, and won, is over,” Bannon said Friday, shortly after confirming his departure. “We still have a huge movement, and we will make something of this Trump presidency. But that presidency is over. It’ll be something else. And there’ll be all kinds of fights, and there’ll be good days and bad days, but that presidency is over.”

    I'm still not sure how to parse that statement actually.

    I suppose if we consider his worldview and ranting against 'globalists', he thinks his dream of an ethnostate is dead?

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  • AtomikaAtomika Live fast and get fucked or whatever Registered User regular
    Bannon's definitely right about being a huge movement

  • CambiataCambiata Commander Shepard The likes of which even GAWD has never seenRegistered User regular
    Trump generally seems to agree with whoever spoke to him last. So Bannon speaking to him less often means he doesn't get his agenda across. Plus, Trump is too lazy a reader to really enjoy Breitbart.

    From what I remember reading a while back, in order to get Trump to read anything, someone in the Whitehorse has to print it out and highlight the relevant bits. Who's going to do that for Breitbart now that Bannon is going?

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    Cambiata wrote: »
    Trump generally seems to agree with whoever spoke to him last. So Bannon speaking to him less often means he doesn't get his agenda across. Plus, Trump is too lazy a reader to really enjoy Breitbart.

    From what I remember reading a while back, in order to get Trump to read anything, someone in the Whitehorse has to print it out and highlight the relevant bits. Who's going to do that for Breitbart now that Bannon is going?

    Don Jr.

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  • Crimson KingCrimson King Registered User regular
    i actually completely forgot that reince had gone

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  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    MuddBudd wrote: »
    Sneaks wrote: »
    MuddBudd wrote: »
    Bannon isn't ruined or anything, but this is absolutely a blow to his agenda.

    Has anyone linked Bannon's interview in the Weekly Standard yet? (If so, I didn't see it.) Here's the pertinent bit:
    “The Trump presidency that we fought for, and won, is over,” Bannon said Friday, shortly after confirming his departure. “We still have a huge movement, and we will make something of this Trump presidency. But that presidency is over. It’ll be something else. And there’ll be all kinds of fights, and there’ll be good days and bad days, but that presidency is over.”

    I'm still not sure how to parse that statement actually.

    I suppose if we consider his worldview and ranting against 'globalists', he thinks his dream of an ethnostate is dead?

    He's saying he helped get Trump elected to push his populist ethno-nationalist agenda. And that the Trump Presidency that would have done that is dead. It lost to the establishment and the other forces in the WH working for Trump's attention.

    So now he's going to leverage his "movement" to do the best they can with the situation. Trump is still a sympathetic voice and ear within the WH but he's not the Fuhrer they had hoped for.

  • HedgethornHedgethorn Associate Professor of Historical Hobby Horses In the Lions' DenRegistered User regular
    New York Times tonight has a rundown of Bannon's departure. Basically, an "honorable discharge" for Bannon had been planned since the beginning of the Kelly era, with a quiet resignation set for Aug. 14, one year after he joined the campaign.

    But then Charlottesville happened and Bannon was the one staffer pushing Trump to double down rather than apologize, and he looked like he might survive for at least another month or more, with the planned resignation pushed back past Labor Day. But the phone call to the American Prospect infuriated Kelly and brought about a return to the swift exit plan.

    The whole thing is here: https://nyti.ms/2vQxx6R

  • KiplingKipling Registered User regular
    Hedgethorn wrote: »
    New York Times tonight has a rundown of Bannon's departure. Basically, an "honorable discharge" for Bannon had been planned since the beginning of the Kelly era, with a quiet resignation set for Aug. 14, one year after he joined the campaign.

    But then Charlottesville happened and Bannon was the one staffer pushing Trump to double down rather than apologize, and he looked like he might survive for at least another month or more, with the planned resignation pushed back past Labor Day. But the phone call to the American Prospect infuriated Kelly and brought about a return to the swift exit plan.

    The whole thing is here: https://nyti.ms/2vQxx6R

    All I see from that story is the White House is still infested with people who leak information to reporters constantly.

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  • Desktop HippieDesktop Hippie Registered User regular
    Well I think it's safe to say that Bannon's departure hasn't changed people's perception of Trump and his attitude to white supremacy.


    Tweet is from a random Twitter person, but I'm seeing it pop up on a few accounts.

  • TL DRTL DR Not at all confident in his reflexive opinions of thingsRegistered User regular
    Anyone who thinks that Donald Trump wasn't an obvious white supremacist before Charlotte or that he isn't one after losing Bannon is a fool.

  • ArcTangentArcTangent Registered User regular
    edited August 2017
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    Kipling wrote: »
    Hedgethorn wrote: »
    New York Times tonight has a rundown of Bannon's departure. Basically, an "honorable discharge" for Bannon had been planned since the beginning of the Kelly era, with a quiet resignation set for Aug. 14, one year after he joined the campaign.

    But then Charlottesville happened and Bannon was the one staffer pushing Trump to double down rather than apologize, and he looked like he might survive for at least another month or more, with the planned resignation pushed back past Labor Day. But the phone call to the American Prospect infuriated Kelly and brought about a return to the swift exit plan.

    The whole thing is here: https://nyti.ms/2vQxx6R

    All I see from that story is the White House is still infested with people who leak information to reporters constantly.

    Speaking of which...

    A Sinclair Broadcast 'reporter', and a Lawfare editor's response.




    It's interesting that this shows some of the strings here. The Sinclair woman's been reporting some really shady/nonsense stuff that nobody else was willing to publish, particularly trying to push shit like the unmasking 'conspiracy' and smearing the FBI. She's had multiple 'scoops' that are basically all DEEP STATE OUT TO GET TRUMP that got no traction at all. And here, she basically outted herself as Bannon's personal pet reporter. Which means that Bannon was grasping at anything and either 'leaking' it to nobody but her, or she was the only one who bit on his 'leaks.' Either way, it could definitely speak to Bannon's frustration that he had faux stories, but couldn't get them out there or eyes on them.

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  • SpoitSpoit *twitch twitch* Registered User regular
    Kipling wrote: »
    Hedgethorn wrote: »
    New York Times tonight has a rundown of Bannon's departure. Basically, an "honorable discharge" for Bannon had been planned since the beginning of the Kelly era, with a quiet resignation set for Aug. 14, one year after he joined the campaign.

    But then Charlottesville happened and Bannon was the one staffer pushing Trump to double down rather than apologize, and he looked like he might survive for at least another month or more, with the planned resignation pushed back past Labor Day. But the phone call to the American Prospect infuriated Kelly and brought about a return to the swift exit plan.

    The whole thing is here: https://nyti.ms/2vQxx6R

    All I see from that story is the White House is still infested with people who leak information to reporters constantly.
    Well, we always knew that Habberman was in the Kushner camp's pocket. But is the flow of leaks from the former-priebus camp still flowing at axios?

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  • MuddBuddMuddBudd Registered User regular
    Well I think it's safe to say that Bannon's departure hasn't changed people's perception of Trump and his attitude to white supremacy.


    Tweet is from a random Twitter person, but I'm seeing it pop up on a few accounts.

    That looks pretty photoshopped. Funny though.

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  • ElldrenElldren Is a woman dammit ceterum censeoRegistered User regular
    MuddBudd wrote: »
    Well I think it's safe to say that Bannon's departure hasn't changed people's perception of Trump and his attitude to white supremacy.


    Tweet is from a random Twitter person, but I'm seeing it pop up on a few accounts.

    That looks pretty photoshopped. Funny though.

    Not really

    The eyes look like they were cut out with scissors. It's just a plain white vinyl decal otherwise

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  • GvzbgulGvzbgul Registered User regular
    :bro:

  • Desktop HippieDesktop Hippie Registered User regular
    MuddBudd wrote: »
    Well I think it's safe to say that Bannon's departure hasn't changed people's perception of Trump and his attitude to white supremacy.


    Tweet is from a random Twitter person, but I'm seeing it pop up on a few accounts.

    That looks pretty photoshopped. Funny though.

    Yeah, I had debated whether or not to add it here given that it could be fake, but then it hit me that even if it is fake it still makes the same point - a significant number of people aren't seeing the white supremacists getting kicked out of the White House, they're seeing it as coming straight from the top.

  • Harry DresdenHarry Dresden Registered User regular
    edited August 2017
    MuddBudd wrote: »
    Well I think it's safe to say that Bannon's departure hasn't changed people's perception of Trump and his attitude to white supremacy.


    Tweet is from a random Twitter person, but I'm seeing it pop up on a few accounts.

    That looks pretty photoshopped. Funny though.

    Yeah, I had debated whether or not to add it here given that it could be fake, but then it hit me that even if it is fake it still makes the same point - a significant number of people aren't seeing the white supremacists getting kicked out of the White House, they're seeing it as coming straight from the top.

    The press needs to remember Trump's Mein Compf book and his racist past, too much time has passed for them to overlook that him choosing Bannon is a pattern, not a coincidence.

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  • mcpmcp Registered User regular
    MuddBudd wrote: »
    Well I think it's safe to say that Bannon's departure hasn't changed people's perception of Trump and his attitude to white supremacy.


    Tweet is from a random Twitter person, but I'm seeing it pop up on a few accounts.

    That looks pretty photoshopped. Funny though.

    Yeah, I had debated whether or not to add it here given that it could be fake, but then it hit me that even if it is fake it still makes the same point - a significant number of people aren't seeing the white supremacists getting kicked out of the White House, they're seeing it as coming straight from the top.

    The press needs to remember Trump's Mein Compf book and his racist past, too much time has passed for them to overlook that him choosing Bannon is a pattern, not a coincidence.
    His Mein Compf book?

  • joshofalltradesjoshofalltrades Class Traitor Smoke-filled roomRegistered User regular
    mcp wrote: »
    MuddBudd wrote: »
    Well I think it's safe to say that Bannon's departure hasn't changed people's perception of Trump and his attitude to white supremacy.


    Tweet is from a random Twitter person, but I'm seeing it pop up on a few accounts.

    That looks pretty photoshopped. Funny though.

    Yeah, I had debated whether or not to add it here given that it could be fake, but then it hit me that even if it is fake it still makes the same point - a significant number of people aren't seeing the white supremacists getting kicked out of the White House, they're seeing it as coming straight from the top.

    The press needs to remember Trump's Mein Compf book and his racist past, too much time has passed for them to overlook that him choosing Bannon is a pattern, not a coincidence.
    His Mein Compf book?

    I think he meant "Mein Kampf"

    Bannon being gone changes little, but I'll take every tiny victory I can get until 2018 when hopefully we kick the rest of these shitheels to the curb

  • ButtersButters A glass of some milks Registered User regular
    MuddBudd wrote: »
    Well I think it's safe to say that Bannon's departure hasn't changed people's perception of Trump and his attitude to white supremacy.


    Tweet is from a random Twitter person, but I'm seeing it pop up on a few accounts.

    That looks pretty photoshopped. Funny though.

    It's covered with dog shit most days

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  • mcpmcp Registered User regular
    mcp wrote: »
    MuddBudd wrote: »
    Well I think it's safe to say that Bannon's departure hasn't changed people's perception of Trump and his attitude to white supremacy.


    Tweet is from a random Twitter person, but I'm seeing it pop up on a few accounts.

    That looks pretty photoshopped. Funny though.

    Yeah, I had debated whether or not to add it here given that it could be fake, but then it hit me that even if it is fake it still makes the same point - a significant number of people aren't seeing the white supremacists getting kicked out of the White House, they're seeing it as coming straight from the top.

    The press needs to remember Trump's Mein Compf book and his racist past, too much time has passed for them to overlook that him choosing Bannon is a pattern, not a coincidence.
    His Mein Compf book?

    I think he meant "Mein Kampf"

    Bannon being gone changes little, but I'll take every tiny victory I can get until 2018 when hopefully we kick the rest of these shitheels to the curb
    Sure, but what book is being referenced?

    Did Trump literally have a copy of it in his nightstand or something?

    or did he write something Mein Kampf-ish?

  • ArcTangentArcTangent Registered User regular
    edited August 2017
    mcp wrote: »
    mcp wrote: »
    MuddBudd wrote: »
    Well I think it's safe to say that Bannon's departure hasn't changed people's perception of Trump and his attitude to white supremacy.


    Tweet is from a random Twitter person, but I'm seeing it pop up on a few accounts.

    That looks pretty photoshopped. Funny though.

    Yeah, I had debated whether or not to add it here given that it could be fake, but then it hit me that even if it is fake it still makes the same point - a significant number of people aren't seeing the white supremacists getting kicked out of the White House, they're seeing it as coming straight from the top.

    The press needs to remember Trump's Mein Compf book and his racist past, too much time has passed for them to overlook that him choosing Bannon is a pattern, not a coincidence.
    His Mein Compf book?

    I think he meant "Mein Kampf"

    Bannon being gone changes little, but I'll take every tiny victory I can get until 2018 when hopefully we kick the rest of these shitheels to the curb
    Sure, but what book is being referenced?

    Did Trump literally have a copy of it in his nightstand or something?

    or did he write something Mein Kampf-ish?

    Yes.
    http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trumps-ex-wife-once-said-he-kept-a-book-of-hitlers-speeches-by-his-bed-2015-8

    Well, not EXACTLY Mein Kampf, but Trump thought it was.

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  • ButtersButters A glass of some milks Registered User regular
    He also didn't write any of it and barely remembers anything in Art of the Deal

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  • Harry DresdenHarry Dresden Registered User regular
    Butters wrote: »
    He also didn't write any of it and barely remembers anything in Art of the Deal

    Art of the Deal is insightful for what the author took from his meetings with Trump, as well as solidifying Trump's reputation as a businessman. The author feels really guilty about this now.

  • Desktop HippieDesktop Hippie Registered User regular
    glithert wrote: »
    Art of the Deal is vaguely Mein Kampf-ish in the sense that it goes through Donald Trump's past and explains that he was always right about everything in some way or another, and everyone who ever opposed him on anything was a bad/incompetent person is some way or another. And most of it is just blatant lies, etc.

    None of it's on the level of any given Anne Coulter/etc book, though. It's much closer to your standard "I'm awesome, I know stuff let me self-help you into riches" kind of thing.

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  • MuddBuddMuddBudd Registered User regular
    Butters wrote: »
    MuddBudd wrote: »
    Well I think it's safe to say that Bannon's departure hasn't changed people's perception of Trump and his attitude to white supremacy.


    Tweet is from a random Twitter person, but I'm seeing it pop up on a few accounts.

    That looks pretty photoshopped. Funny though.

    It's covered with dog shit most days

    Wait didn't it get smashed a while back, is it replaced yet?

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