[Las Vegas Shooting]. Updates on where shooter got his ammo

Jealous Deva

That's standard twitter/conservosphere procedure at this point. See the Canadian mosque shooting.

Standard response is:

1. It was random brown person that was 'real' shooter.
2. It was false flag operation/made up.
3. Shooter was secret liberal the whole time.

Cog

Juggernut wrote: »

I feel totally desensitized to this.

My first reaction to this news was to be snarky and sarcastic. Maybe it's because I just can't fully comprehend it? I don't know. I walked into the break room at work this morning and everybody was watching video footage like it was reality tv. It didn't phase them.

How did we let ourselves come to this? How is this normal? God, we are so sick.

My first reaction to this was: nothing will change. It will be too soon to talk about it until it's too late to talk about it.

abotkin

Holy flying fuck. My mom just called to let me know that my dad and aunt and uncle are alright. My dad was staying at the same hotel that the shooter shot from and my aunt and uncle were at the concert. They evacuated the hotel in a super rush, so my dad doesn't have his medication or his breathing machine and hasn't slept all night.

I'm almost physically sick right now, and that's after finding out they're okay.

Mx. Quill

abotkin wrote: »

Holy flying fuck. My mom just called to let me know that my dad and aunt and uncle are alright. My dad was staying at the same hotel that the shooter shot from and my aunt and uncle were at the concert. They evacuated the hotel in a super rush, so my dad doesn't have his medication or his breathing machine and hasn't slept all night.

I'm almost physically sick right now, and that's after finding out they're okay.

At least they're okay.

nexuscrawler

abotkin wrote: »

Holy flying fuck. My mom just called to let me know that my dad and aunt and uncle are alright. My dad was staying at the same hotel that the shooter shot from and my aunt and uncle were at the concert. They evacuated the hotel in a super rush, so my dad doesn't have his medication or his breathing machine and hasn't slept all night.

I'm almost physically sick right now, and that's after finding out they're okay.

:bro:

Ludious

I just called out sick. Because I am. I can't stand the idea of hearing some redneck at work right now with a hot take. I'd be incapable of restraining myself verbally.

PantsB

JoeUser wrote: »

This is weird phrasing

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/914810093874671617

Passive voice indicating this just happened, with no condemnation because it was a old white dude

PantsB

https://twitter.com/jbouie/status/914818521456144384

(Slate writer)

There is 100% no way terrorism is ruled out if this is a black or brown or especially Muslim shooter. The term has become racial code. A man shot 50 civilians in a public place in a manner that would inspire terror. There is no way they've investigated this motives in a way that could rule out terrorism other than his melanin count

syndalis

PantsB wrote: »

JoeUser wrote: »

This is weird phrasing

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/914810093874671617

Passive voice indicating this just happened, with no condemnation because it was a old white dude

I will not link his tweets regarding Orlando because of the rule about linking old trump tweets here, but I think we all remember the braggart, "I told you so" tone of that shit, where he took a victory lap for his racist bullshit while bodies were still warm.

And now, we get this milquetoast response? Fuck you, buddy.

Hakkekage

PantsB wrote: »

https://twitter.com/jbouie/status/914818521456144384

(Slate writer)

There is 100% no way terrorism is ruled out if this is a black or brown or especially Muslim shooter. The term has become racial code. A man shot 50 civilians in a public place in a manner that would inspire terror. There is no way they've investigated this motives in a way that could rule out terrorism other than his melanin count

Remember when an Arab man shot up a gay nightclub last year when that was the deadliest mass shooting in American history and also terrorism

Tomanta

syndalis wrote: »

PantsB wrote: »

JoeUser wrote: »

This is weird phrasing

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/914810093874671617

Passive voice indicating this just happened, with no condemnation because it was a old white dude

I will not link his tweets regarding Orlando because of the rule about linking old trump tweets here, but I think we all remember the braggart, "I told you so" tone of that shit, where he took a victory lap for his racist bullshit while bodies were still warm.

And now, we get this milquetoast response? Fuck you, buddy.

Odds he will dedicate a golf trophy to the victims next weekend?

I really have no words for this. I just don't anymore. It's tragic, and sad, and frustrating, and most of all infuriating. I don't want to hear Louis Gohmert say again that if the entire population was armed a guy shooting from a hotel room wouldn't have been able to kill 50+ people. I don't want to hear United States senators say "It's too soon" to talk about gun control and complaining about "politicizing a tragedy". I don't want to hear about how white men killing so many people, often for political/racial/religious motivations, isn't terrorism. I don't want hear about an incident with 60, or 75, or 100, or 1 victim next year.

I want this country's leadership to fucking do something about it.

a nu start

I just don't see how you can not call this terrorism.

Yeah, jumping to conclusions and all, but fuck that guy.

nexuscrawler

the nuts are already saying this was intended to target Trump voters.

I hate huamnity

syndalis

"just a lone wolf from mesquite, and not an international terror incident"

A thing just said on MSNBC this morning.

ugh...

Hakkekage

CBS now reporting that over 400 people were taken to hospitals in the area

FOUR HUNDRED

Savant

a nu start wrote: »

I just don't see how you can not call this terrorism.

Yeah, jumping to conclusions and all, but fuck that guy.

Well, terrorism depends on motive, for the real definition of the term and not just being a racial codeword.

They can't reasonably say they don't have the motive and say it's not terrorism at the same time, though.

jungleroomx

Hakkekage wrote: »

CBS now reporting that over 400 people were taken to hospitals in the area

FOUR HUNDRED

Confirmed.

Jesus fucking christ.

a nu start

Savant wrote: »

a nu start wrote: »

I just don't see how you can not call this terrorism.

Yeah, jumping to conclusions and all, but fuck that guy.

Well, terrorism depends on motive, for the real definition of the term and not just being a racial codeword.

They can't reasonably say they don't have the motive and say it's not terrorism at the same time, though.

You shoot up a public place, you bring automatic weapons and who knows what other kinds of weapons, terrorism is 100% on the table.

jungleroomx

Apparently the suspect was what we'd consider rich, because he owned two planes and lived in an upscale resort retirement home with an 18 hole golf course.

Honestly, the more I learn about this the less it makes sense.

syndalis

jungleroomx wrote: »

Apparently the suspect was what we'd consider rich, because he owned two planes and lived in an upscale resort retirement home with an 18 hole golf course.

Honestly, the more I learn about this the less it makes sense.

I mean, the money thing lines up with the kind of weaponry used.

Someone poor doesn't have the kind of funding needed to secure a high floor hotel room in Vegas and fill it with over a dozen riles and a fully automatic weapon with hundreds of rounds.

But what could the motivation possibly be?

SyphonBlue

jdarksun wrote: »

OptimusZed wrote: »

I really, really hate how every political figure in American life is now schooled on how to show sympathy without committing to actually doing anything after one of these.

They've got canned responses, like they're responding to the results of a football game in their district or something.

I'm tempted to write a Twitter bot that auto-replies to canned sympathy comments with the number of times they introduce gun control laws, and voted for/against such legislation.

I'm pretty sure there already is one of these.

VishNub

I don't even know what to feel. Sorrow for the people killed and injured? Utter bewilderment that someone could do this? Rage that, yet again, nothing will be done?

I can't feel this many ways at once.

mojojoeo

Thoughts and prayers are good- Give blood if you can.

jungleroomx

syndalis wrote: »

jungleroomx wrote: »

Apparently the suspect was what we'd consider rich, because he owned two planes and lived in an upscale resort retirement home with an 18 hole golf course.

Honestly, the more I learn about this the less it makes sense.

I mean, the money thing lines up with the kind of weaponry used.

Someone poor doesn't have the kind of funding needed to secure a high floor hotel room in Vegas and fill it with over a dozen riles and a fully automatic weapon with hundreds of rounds.

But what could the motivation possibly be?

Yeah.

It wasn't like a political rally or whatever, it was a concert.

SyphonBlue

Ludious wrote: »

I just called out sick. Because I am. I can't stand the idea of hearing some redneck at work right now with a hot take. I'd be incapable of restraining myself verbally.

You shouldn't be restraining yourself verbally anymore. It's long past time for restraint with this shit anymore.

Burnage

syndalis wrote: »

jungleroomx wrote: »

Apparently the suspect was what we'd consider rich, because he owned two planes and lived in an upscale resort retirement home with an 18 hole golf course.

Honestly, the more I learn about this the less it makes sense.

I mean, the money thing lines up with the kind of weaponry used.

Someone poor doesn't have the kind of funding needed to secure a high floor hotel room in Vegas and fill it with over a dozen riles and a fully automatic weapon with hundreds of rounds.

But what could the motivation possibly be?

This is a fundamentally unsatisfying answer, but sometimes some people want to do terrible things.

I hope there's more to it than that, but it might wind up that there isn't.

spool32

a nu start wrote: »

Savant wrote: »

a nu start wrote: »

I just don't see how you can not call this terrorism.

Yeah, jumping to conclusions and all, but fuck that guy.

Well, terrorism depends on motive, for the real definition of the term and not just being a racial codeword.

They can't reasonably say they don't have the motive and say it's not terrorism at the same time, though.

You shoot up a public place, you bring automatic weapons and who knows what other kinds of weapons, terrorism is 100% on the table.

Everything should be on the table right now.

Ludious

Wingnuttery, conspiracy theories, and extremism are at a fever pitch right now. It's a fevered, unrestrained, rabid beast that is running through our country whispering its trigger phrase to 10,000 Manchurian candidates programmed by infowars and Fox News.


It makes perfect fucked up sense once you're through the looking glass.

We just had a group of white terrorists hold a federal compound for what was it, weeks? More than a day. Now they're getting off on all charges one by one. The sickness is the norm.

Doodmann

Texas clock tower brain tumor theory sounds the least confusing so far.

syndalis

Ludious wrote: »

Wingnuttery, conspiracy theories, and extremism are at a fever pitch right now. It's a fevered, unrestrained, rabid beast that is running through our country whispering its trigger phrase to 10,000 Manchurian candidates programmed by infowars and Fox News.


It makes perfect fucked up sense once you're through the looking glass.

We just had a group of white terrorists hold a federal compound for what was it, weeks? More than a day. Now they're getting off on all charges one by one. The sickness is the norm.

As true as everything you said is, I am semi-hesitant to ascribe any ideology to the shooter until it gets investigated.

Because we have a lot of noise on the left that our president is an incompetent, self-enriching criminal who colluded with hostile foreign governments to destroy our democracy. And no matter how true you (or I lets be fair) think those statements are a less stable person mentally could be brought to violence with that kind of stuff in their head.

Or this person could really love Jodie Foster.

Or brain tumor, as mentioned above.

It is way too early to try and politicize (or diminish) the why. It is exactly the right time to figure out "how" and make sure this shit can't happen again and fuck anyone who says otherwise.

jungleroomx

Ludious wrote: »

Wingnuttery, conspiracy theories, and extremism are at a fever pitch right now. It's a fevered, unrestrained, rabid beast that is running through our country whispering its trigger phrase to 10,000 Manchurian candidates programmed by infowars and Fox News.


It makes perfect fucked up sense once you're through the looking glass.

We just had a group of white terrorists hold a federal compound for what was it, weeks? More than a day. Now they're getting off on all charges one by one. The sickness is the norm.

This assumes the shooter falls into that category.

We've assumed shooter motivations before and come up wrong before. It seems likely he might be in what you describe, but then again maybe not.

But yeah, America's got a problem. I'm just not ascribing it to this event yet because there isn't enough information to confirm it yet.

Ludious

There's wingnuttery on the left too and it can be just as deadly and it's on the rise as well. Yes I leaned into my personal beliefs there but I still think it's the case. Brain tumors may make you do things like lose impulse control but the evil was still there. You don't get an automatic weapon on a whim.

Javen

As much as I hate to say it, under the current administration, 'nothing will happen' is probably the best case scenario under Trump.

nexuscrawler

syndalis wrote: »

jungleroomx wrote: »

Apparently the suspect was what we'd consider rich, because he owned two planes and lived in an upscale resort retirement home with an 18 hole golf course.

Honestly, the more I learn about this the less it makes sense.

I mean, the money thing lines up with the kind of weaponry used.

Someone poor doesn't have the kind of funding needed to secure a high floor hotel room in Vegas and fill it with over a dozen riles and a fully automatic weapon with hundreds of rounds.

But what could the motivation possibly be?

I mean the Luxor isn't hugely expensive really. Who knows what kind of weapons he had yet

syndalis

nexuscrawler wrote: »

syndalis wrote: »

jungleroomx wrote: »

Apparently the suspect was what we'd consider rich, because he owned two planes and lived in an upscale resort retirement home with an 18 hole golf course.

Honestly, the more I learn about this the less it makes sense.

I mean, the money thing lines up with the kind of weaponry used.

Someone poor doesn't have the kind of funding needed to secure a high floor hotel room in Vegas and fill it with over a dozen riles and a fully automatic weapon with hundreds of rounds.

But what could the motivation possibly be?

I mean the Luxor isn't hugely expensive really. Who knows what kind of weapons he had yet

over ten rifles (police have reported 11 found in the room), and something fully automatic.

Preacher

Fully auto doesn't mean legal though, plenty of internet places show you how to mod semi to full auto.

mojojoeo

@ludious

nexuscrawler wrote: »

syndalis wrote: »

jungleroomx wrote: »

Apparently the suspect was what we'd consider rich, because he owned two planes and lived in an upscale resort retirement home with an 18 hole golf course.

Honestly, the more I learn about this the less it makes sense.

I mean, the money thing lines up with the kind of weaponry used.

Someone poor doesn't have the kind of funding needed to secure a high floor hotel room in Vegas and fill it with over a dozen riles and a fully automatic weapon with hundreds of rounds.

But what could the motivation possibly be?

I mean the Luxor isn't hugely expensive really. Who knows what kind of weapons he had yet

he was at the bay, Right? manderly bay not the luxor tower.

Luxor is low end for the MGM grand complex, quiet and cheaper. You then can walk in the indoors mall to the better casinos at your whim. Its a good place to stay really.

nexuscrawler

Preacher wrote: »

Fully auto doesn't mean legal though, plenty of internet places show you how to mod semi to full auto.

if that's the case it'd probably be a modded AR

mojojoeo

time will tell on the guns

Preacher

mojojoeo wrote: »

time will tell on the guns

Well on what he used, we know nothing will change regarding the guns.

This is a weird shooting though, 60+ white male, moderately well off maybe? Shooting up a country concert? Everything is crazy.