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if i here the phrase "lone wolf" one more fucking time
My roomie can't go in to work as his building is just a minute awake from Mandalay Bay and the Strip is still on lockdown.
Let's let the gun control bit die down (as per the mods) and exit the thread gracefully, and possibly just put this one on hold until new information develops.
Unnamed sources with an non-specific reference to mental issues, for what little that's worth.
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I saw the notice on my phone before I went to bed. My attitude towards it was, "I'll read up about it tomorrow".
Overall, I'm staying clear of the news till maybe Friday on this one.
It surprises me they don't claim stock shortages on new Apple products.
They'll literally jump at anything they can.
4chan has written its own false and inflammatory narrative and google put it to the top with its algorithm. there will be disinformation with this.
Yes, nonofficial conflicting information and all that, but have them talk about first responders, or maybe give some details about how the hotels are handling the situation. The (heh) radio silence from people they had with (heh again) boots on the ground is a bit surprising and a bit confusing. If those DJs were in Nashville, they would be spending the whole day (who am I kidding; the whole week) talking about the incident and letting people call in to either provide anecdotes or at least get to express sympathy.
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Calling these bastards a "lone wolf" makes them sound cool. We need a new word, like "lone asshole" to describe them.
Maybe replace "lone" with "friendless"
The word you are looking for is terrorist. Or, if he turns out to have no agenda beyond the killing, murderer. We do not need new words. This white man set out to kill his fellow citizens, either from a desire to kill, or a desire to terrorize them to achieve another objective. His state is perfectly described.
It does not contribute "directly to what has happened"
That's an goosey and outrageous statement.
Maybe indirectly, but certainly not directly.
Jesus man.
That, plus it's a message not intended for your average US citizen
It's a recruitment method to pull in people living in Yemen, Egypt, Saudi etc. They'll claim anything because gullible idiots will believe them, think they have greater reach than they do, and join up. Or at least they used to. In respect of this shooting it was almost inevitable they'd claim responsibility, the important thing is to quickly and firmly broadcast that they absolutely didn't.
(Boston Globe reporter quoting a National Association of Black Journalists/National Association of Hispanic Journalists statement.)
The whole "losing a grueling urban war black by block" is probably a downer on recruitment.
This is actually the most critical question to answer. Because it really is the work of a couple of days. Why do we shoot people in the US? This sort of thing doesn't happen even in places where the guns are just as available. Mexico doesn't have shitload of non-gang mass shootings and you can buy an actual M16 there.
I don't think it is worth getting too hung up on terminology, but "lone wolf" is just a quick way to describe the mass murderer as acting by themselves, as opposed having accomplices or acting as part of a group. Being a terrorist depends on the motive and the intended consequences of the violence, and doesn't necessitate being actively tied to a terrorist organization, even though that is often the case.
Presumably the term "lone wolf" is used because wolves are pack animals, as opposed to normally being loners.
The thing is the KKK and neo-nazis also use the term to call for young men to go shoot people in a disavowable way. It's a term that has some connotations attached when it comes to shootings.
Most of their guns are presumably from here.
If he was another colour he'd be a terrorist.
I haven't seen it yet in articles but are there any victims among first responders?
They had a guy on the phone who said he saw officers cover a fellow officer but they didn't say if cover meant protect or as in white sheet.
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Gunfire where people are being murdered is not some soundtrack to play over and over again for hours.
It's fucking awful and I can't watch anymore.
the media loves to glorify these events while simultaneously hand-wringing over how terrible they are
US: 112.6
Mexico: 15
made the gym real fuckin surreal at some moments this morning, because most of the tvs were on this. Luckily no sound from them.
Well, the other equivalent term that I can think of, "lone gunman", has its own negative connotations. Nazis and conspiracy theorists are just ruining everything.
I think it is absolutely worth getting hung up on the terminology because the language we use allows us to create an artificial distinction between people who shoot dozens of their fellow citizens who look like us (lone wolves, militias, etc) and those who shoot dozens of their fellow citizens who don't (terrorists, islamic fundamentalists, etc)
These people are the same. They are cruel, misled, and horribly wrong but they are no different from each other. We will never deal with either until we accept that the same horrible sickness that led this man to kill people he didn't know at a music concert, is the same perversion that leads someone to strap on a suicide vest in a Baghdad market, or roll a grenade into a mosque and is a sickness which can fester inside any of us if we view our fellow humans as 'things' who are not the same as we are.
Each and everyone doing shit like this needs to go to prison for a few years, minimum.
I think I came back an hour later and it was still going on, we had assumed a professional team of multiple people tried to rob a casino or something and it went real bad. By the way multiple SWAT teams were mobilizing and moving through the surrounding blocks it was just crazy. They said they had a suspect down in one area early on, and I think we ended up hearing them breach that guys room afterwards. It's easy to see how conspiracy theories take root in little confusing details based on "extra information" that the public at large doesn't usually experience. Hopefully investigations bear out and we get real information.
Edit: To be clear, I am not offering up conspiracies or evidence of multiple shooters. Cars backfire, people filter information in wild ways while under pressure, etc.
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I'm in favor of bystanders that are not LEO professional, and personalities staying out of the way while officials actually investigate. Also that's not their job. Good on the station/company not trotting them out for coverage and "buzz".