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Donald Trump Attacks [The US Military]... Again

ArcTangentArcTangent Registered User regular
Aside from the past greatest hits, like mocking McCain for being a POW, or picking fights with gold star families, Trump's White House, and Trump himself, have been on a tear this week, with a number of things that don't fit well into other threads.

In no particular order:

Green card holders are now blocked from joining the military until a background check is complete, which can take up to a year.
One policy change is to the initial security and suitability screening for green card holders. "Effective immediately, all green card holders must complete a background investigation and receive a favorable military security suitability determination prior to entering any component of the armed forces," Miller said in an interview.
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Previously, green card holders could ship to basic military training as long as background investigations were initiated. Green card holders go through the same check as American citizens.
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The change will mean that green card holders entering the military may be in the delayed entry or training program longer than in the past, due to a backlog for security clearances at the Office of Personnel Management.

The clearance procedure could take up to a year.
https://www.defense.gov/News/Article/Article/1342430/dod-announces-policies-affecting-foreign-nationals-entering-military/

Trump lied at a press conference, claiming that past Presidents didn't call the families of fallen soldiers.
“If you look at President Obama and other presidents, most of them didn’t make calls. A lot of them didn’t make calls. I like to call when it’s appropriate, when I think I am able to do it,” he said.

He then blamed his generals for telling him that.
"President Obama I think probably did sometimes, and maybe sometimes he didn’t. I don’t know. That’s what I was told. All I can do—all I can do is ask my generals. Other presidents did not call. They’d write letters. And some presidents didn’t do anything," Trump said. "But I like the combination of—I like, when I can, the combination of a call and also a letter."

Then, this morning, he dragged John Kelly's, his current chief of staff, son into it.
“You could ask General Kelly, ‘Did he get a call from Obama?’” Mr. Trump said in an interview on Tuesday on Fox News Radio. “I believe his policy was somewhat different than my policy. I can tell you my policy is I called every one of them.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/17/us/politics/john-kelly-trump-fallen-troops.html

And he followed it up this afternoon by saying, while meeting with a widow of one of the soldiers killed "He knew what he signed up for."

He said this while she was sitting next to a Democratic Congresswoman.
https://www.local10.com/news/politics/trump-speaks-to-widow-of-sgt-la-david-johnson

This thread is for Trump and the White House's recent comments and actions in regards to the US military.

Please limit it to those things only.



Predictably, everyone is pissed off about his comments today and yesterday. So much so that the green card thing seems to have gone all but completely unnoticed. I'm not naive enough to believe that this will change any minds given how much he's already shit on the families of fallen soldiers, but his comments today are especially egregious and likely to cause even more friction with Kelly and the other generals he keeps adding to his staff, and I can only imagine that as the collective everything of the news media excoriates him for it, it's going to be The Thing for at least a news cycle.

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  • JavenJaven Registered User regular
    I look forward to the 16 hour long running of Fox News b-roll tomorrow that has Obama not saluting when getting on AF1 sometime in 2009 or something

    Are the families empowered to speak out/respond to questions regarding the call if they so choose? I doubt they will, but I know what is said on these calls is generally kept confidential, for the family's benefit.

  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    This is one of those you can't fucking believe the audacity of it. Dude hadn't done his job as president, literally claimed "the letter is in the mail" and then attacked previous presidents about them not talking to families. What a Trump.

    I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.

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  • DasUberEdwardDasUberEdward Registered User regular
    I don't think Donald Trump has any idea what our military is or what it means for someone to serve their country.

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  • Waffles or whateverWaffles or whatever Previously known as, I shit you not, "Waffen" Registered User regular
    I still laughed when Fox News made a big deal of Obama being unpatriotic about the whole "latte salute". That happens on an hourly basis in the military. It happens.

    I'm interested in seeing if anything happens with Trump politicizing Kelly's son.

  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    The Cynic in me says Kelly will back Trump and our media will go "well he was telling the truth, how dare Obama!" Despite Kelly and Obama attending a gold star dinner where Kelly sat at Michelle Obama's table.

    I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.

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  • XantomasXantomas Registered User regular
    CNN was covering it earlier, they had the Congresswoman that was with one of the widows during Trump's phone call and heard it on speakerphone. She was fucking pissed, said she was demanding the phone so she could cuss out Trump at the time but nobody would let her.

    I see how "He knew what he signed up for" is insensitive, but I wonder if there's more to it.

  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    Family members cussing out presidents isn't even new. One of the family members that Bush talked to in person screamed at him for letting their member die.

    I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.

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  • RedTideRedTide Registered User regular
    Xantomas wrote: »
    I see how "He knew what he signed up for" is insensitive, but I wonder if there's more to it.

    It's what the drunk dickhead at the end of the bar in some dive says, it's what lazy writers use in movie scripts to let you know who the bad guy really is and it's the last thing that should come out of any Presidents mouth since they have the ultimate discretion in when and where we deploy our soldiers.

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  • DiplominatorDiplominator Hardcore Porg Registered User regular
    edited October 2017
    Making a big deal out of this seems super gross and not really even that surprising. President Trump doesn't seem the type to handle the family call well. That's...understandable. It's an incredibly hard conversation to have for anyone, even people with empathy. The fact that he botched it doesn't surprise me a bit. If it had been reported that he offered them paper towels or a 50% off coupon for a night at his hotels, I would not have been startled.


    I know the instinct here is to hit him for it on the hopes that maybe, just maybe, this is the straw that really breaks his approval rating. But...there's a lot of straw up on that camel already, and I'd just as soon spare these families the drama.

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  • ArcTangentArcTangent Registered User regular
    Making a big deal out of this seems super gross and not really even that surprising. President Trump doesn't seem the type to handle the family call well. That's...understandable. It's an incredibly hard conversation to have for anyone, even people with empathy. The fact that he botched it doesn't surprise me a bit. If it had been reported that he offered them paper towels or a 50% off coupon for a night at his hotels, I would not have been startled.


    I know the instinct here is to hit him for it on the hopes that maybe, just maybe, this is the straw that really breaks his approval rating. But...there's a lot of straw up on that camel already, and I'd just as soon spare these families the drama.

    As with many of his fiascos, it began with him spontaneously and spuriously attacking Obama, and from there, has just been an escalation of attacks; largely on Obama, but now extending to the dead. He's claiming to be the best, most respectful out of one side of his mouth, and being outright insulting from the other. Usually, you have to go a couple years back into his twitter feed to get the rank hypocrisy, not have them lined up in back to back press conferences. Usually.

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  • DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    I mean, of course Trump doesn't care about our troops as human beings. He doesn't care about anybody else as human beings, he just thinks of people as props and tools to be used as necessary to make him look look good.

  • DasUberEdwardDasUberEdward Registered User regular
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    I mean, of course Trump doesn't care about our troops as human beings. He doesn't care about anybody else as human beings, he just thinks of people as props and tools to be used as necessary to make him look look good.

    So what is this thread about?

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  • DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    edited October 2017
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    I mean, of course Trump doesn't care about our troops as human beings. He doesn't care about anybody else as human beings, he just thinks of people as props and tools to be used as necessary to make him look look good.

    So what is this thread about?

    Tracking and cataloging instances that show he doesn't give a shit about men and women in armed service, and fact-checking claims about previous presidents (mainly Obama) that will be made by conservative mouthpieces trying to downplay Trump's instances, probably.

    EDIT: To be clear, I'm not criticizing the creation of this thread, or trying to suggest it doesn't serve a legitimate purpose. I just think there's no debate as to whether or not Trump actually gives a shit about the lives of American troops.

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  • ArcTangentArcTangent Registered User regular
    edited October 2017
    By the way, the Congresswoman who was in the limo during the comment will be on one of Trump's favorite morning shows tomorrow (Wednesday) to talk about the fallen soldier, so it's almost certain there will be another horrible comment from him (or by proxy through Sarah Sanders) by the afternoon.

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  • DasUberEdwardDasUberEdward Registered User regular
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    I mean, of course Trump doesn't care about our troops as human beings. He doesn't care about anybody else as human beings, he just thinks of people as props and tools to be used as necessary to make him look look good.

    So what is this thread about?

    Tracking and cataloging instances that show he doesn't give a shit about men and women in armed service, and fact-checking claims about previous presidents (mainly Obama) that will be made by conservative mouthpieces trying to downplay Trump's instances, probably.

    EDIT: To be clear, I'm not criticizing the creation of this thread, or trying to suggest it doesn't serve a legitimate purpose. I just think there's no debate as to whether or not Trump actually gives a shit about the lives of American troops.

    yeah he's a piece of shit that doesn't know what it means to sacrifice anything for anyone else. . .

    he will never not shit on the military unless it's a talking point and then he will go back on that point.

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  • TaramoorTaramoor Storyteller Registered User regular
    Honestly my big hope here is that when he angrily tweets about this later and says “Wife of dead Niger soldier very disrespectful!” That he spells Niger correctly.

  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    Kelly's failure to resign is disgusting at this point.

    Self-righteousness is incompatible with coalition building.
  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited October 2017
    And of course the soldier who "knew what he signed up for" was black. Because he especially doesn't care about those lives.

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  • DivideByZeroDivideByZero Social Justice Blackguard Registered User regular
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    I mean, of course Trump doesn't care about our troops as human beings. He doesn't care about anybody else as human beings, he just thinks of people as props and tools to be used as necessary to make him look look good.

    So what is this thread about?

    Tracking and cataloging instances that show he doesn't give a shit about men and women in armed service, and fact-checking claims about previous presidents (mainly Obama) that will be made by conservative mouthpieces trying to downplay Trump's instances, probably.

    EDIT: To be clear, I'm not criticizing the creation of this thread, or trying to suggest it doesn't serve a legitimate purpose. I just think there's no debate as to whether or not Trump actually gives a shit about the lives of American troops.

    yeah he's a piece of shit that doesn't know what it means to sacrifice anything for anyone else. . .

    he will never not shit on the military unless it's a talking point and then he will go back on that point.

    What do you mean, of course he knows sacrifice, he built a great company!

    A lot of great workers, caterers, architects, and illegal Polish laborers had to be sacrificed for that company!

    First they came for the Muslims, and we said NOT TODAY, MOTHERFUCKERS
  • MarathonMarathon Registered User regular
    Trump now says the congresswoman is lying and he has proof. It will be interesting to see if he actually provides that proof or just asserts it and refuses to prove it.

  • RedTideRedTide Registered User regular
    Marathon wrote: »
    Trump now says the congresswoman is lying and he has proof. It will be interesting to see if he actually provides that proof or just asserts it and refuses to prove it.

    I fucking wonder which one it will be.

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  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    Marathon wrote: »
    Trump now says the congresswoman is lying and he has proof. It will be interesting to see if he actually provides that proof or just asserts it and refuses to prove it.

    Trump tweeted that a few minutes after Rep. Wilson was on Morning Joe. I am guessing he was just blustering like an old man getting mad at cable news.

  • klemmingklemming Registered User regular
    Aren't all presidential calls recorded and archived, or is that just letters, tweets and emails?

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  • DedwrekkaDedwrekka Metal Hell adjacentRegistered User regular
    Making a big deal out of this seems super gross and not really even that surprising. President Trump doesn't seem the type to handle the family call well. That's...understandable. It's an incredibly hard conversation to have for anyone, even people with empathy. The fact that he botched it doesn't surprise me a bit. If it had been reported that he offered them paper towels or a 50% off coupon for a night at his hotels, I would not have been startled.


    I know the instinct here is to hit him for it on the hopes that maybe, just maybe, this is the straw that really breaks his approval rating. But...there's a lot of straw up on that camel already, and I'd just as soon spare these families the drama.

    It's not about political points. This is a horrible thing and he should be shamed for it by the American people. It doesn't matter if this is the thing that "breaks the camel's back" or not, whatever that's supposed to look like.

  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    It's sad that he attacked people for kneeling during the national anthem for nor "respecting our troops" and then as president he shows zero respect for our troops consistently.

    I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.

    pleasepaypreacher.net
  • TomantaTomanta Registered User regular
    Preacher wrote: »
    It's sad that he attacked people for kneeling during the national anthem for nor "respecting our troops" and then as president he shows zero respect for our troops consistently.

    I'm getting extremely frustrated that it doesn't matter what he does, how much cold, hard proof there is that he is a pathological liar, 30-40% of the population still believes everything he says.

  • MarathonMarathon Registered User regular
    Preacher wrote: »
    It's sad that he attacked people for kneeling during the national anthem for nor "respecting our troops" and then as president he shows zero respect for our troops consistently.

    I’ve seen an explanation that makes sense to me. Trump respects the strength our military represents, he doesn’t give a shit about the individual soldiers though.

  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    Tomanta wrote: »
    Preacher wrote: »
    It's sad that he attacked people for kneeling during the national anthem for nor "respecting our troops" and then as president he shows zero respect for our troops consistently.

    I'm getting extremely frustrated that it doesn't matter what he does, how much cold, hard proof there is that he is a pathological liar, 30-40% of the population still believes everything he says.

    Or worse show total apathy to what he says "Well the guy did sign up for it..."

    I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.

    pleasepaypreacher.net
  • jungleroomxjungleroomx It's never too many graves, it's always not enough shovels Registered User regular
    The Obama latte salute is such a non-thing, and this Trump disrespect is a real thing.

    It's... it's just insane that all of these yellow-ribbon waving pseudo-patriots will flip out over a clumsy salute but still stick by their guy when he trashes the memory of volunteer soldiers dying for missions that may or may not have been in the country's best interest.

    If anyone knows me then they know this shit infuriates me.

  • klemmingklemming Registered User regular
    No see, they're disrespecting ourhis flag, and ourhis soldiers. He's allowed to disrespect them, because he's the President, so they're his.

    Nobody remembers the singer. The song remains.
  • Captain InertiaCaptain Inertia Registered User regular
    Couscous wrote: »
    Marathon wrote: »
    Trump now says the congresswoman is lying and he has proof. It will be interesting to see if he actually provides that proof or just asserts it and refuses to prove it.

    Trump tweeted that a few minutes after Rep. Wilson was on Morning Joe. I am guessing he was just blustering like an old man getting mad at cable news.

    Trump is the OG "man who yells at cable news"

  • SyphonBlueSyphonBlue The studying beaver That beaver sure loves studying!Registered User regular
    Marathon wrote: »
    Preacher wrote: »
    It's sad that he attacked people for kneeling during the national anthem for nor "respecting our troops" and then as president he shows zero respect for our troops consistently.

    I’ve seen an explanation that makes sense to me. Trump respects the strength our military represents, he doesn’t give a shit about the individual soldiers though.

    So he doesn't respect the military, then

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  • MarathonMarathon Registered User regular
    SyphonBlue wrote: »
    Marathon wrote: »
    Preacher wrote: »
    It's sad that he attacked people for kneeling during the national anthem for nor "respecting our troops" and then as president he shows zero respect for our troops consistently.

    I’ve seen an explanation that makes sense to me. Trump respects the strength our military represents, he doesn’t give a shit about the individual soldiers though.

    So he doesn't respect the military, then

    Yes

  • HakkekageHakkekage Space Whore Academy summa cum laudeRegistered User regular
    He has contempt for soldiers which he has demonstrated on multiple occasions by attacking:

    1) The Khans
    2) John McCain
    3) The "generals"
    4) Bone spurs (get well soon Mr President)

    But he's an expert on symbols, facades, and shibboleths, so as long as he fetishizes military strength as represented by flags, anthems, truck nuts, really big cool tanks, military parades on Pennsylvania Avenue (it'll happen!), and a tenfold increase in the nuclear stockpile, he can claim that he loves the military

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  • DevoutlyApatheticDevoutlyApathetic Registered User regular
    I swear this administration is trying to weaponize hypocrisy.

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  • HakkekageHakkekage Space Whore Academy summa cum laudeRegistered User regular
    I swear this administration is trying to weaponize hypocrisy.

    Hypocrisy is for Democrats who took money from Harvey Weinstein only, DA, you know that. Don't be naive.

    It is only by the grace of God that Trump has not gone full tinpot dictator and started appearing in public in military regalia festooned in medallions to demonstrate his objective love for and absolute command of the military

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  • NinjeffNinjeff Registered User regular
    Didnt Obama go in to the helicopter, put his coffee down and come back out to salute the Marine? I seem to recall that is what he did, and Fox news just lopped the back half of the video off and ran it a thousand times so it looked like he just went in the helo.

  • monikermoniker Registered User regular
    He likes soldiers who weren't killed in action.

  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited October 2017


    Less than four hours later:
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2017/10/18/totally-fabricated-trump-disputes-congresswomans-depiction-of-his-exchange-with-soldiers-widow/
    Johnson's mother, Cowanda Jones-Johnson, told The Washington Post on Wednesday that she was in the car during the call from the White House and that "President Trump did disrespect my son and my daughter and also me and my husband."

    Jones-Johnson, speaking to The Post via Facebook Messenger, declined to elaborate.

    But asked whether Wilson's account of the conversation between Trump and the family was accurate, she replied: "Yes."
    He has no understanding of how to act. Even an ordinary person should have some gut level instinct on how to handle this.

    Wilson is saying Johnson's mother said Trump did not remember Johnson's name.
    Wilson told MSNBC on Wednesday that Johnson's widow, Myeshia, was shaken by the exchange.

    “She was crying the whole time, and when she hung up the phone, she looked at me and said, ‘He didn’t even remember his name.’ That’s the hurting part.”

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  • Mx. QuillMx. Quill I now prefer "Myr. Quill", actually... {They/Them}Registered User regular
    I'd slam the phone down on that monster if he ever had to speak to me. Dunno how that poor family resisted the urge to do so.

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