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[Thor: Ragnarok] Asgardian road trip [TAG SPOILERS]

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  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu PIGEON Registered User regular
    Xeddicus wrote: »
    The humor was fine overall, they just needed to dial it back in like 2 scenes, that's it. Didn't need to massively re-write anything or remove any other jokes. Just cut the scene 2 seconds earlier would do it.
    There's nothing I care about in Marvel movies more than laughing. Or to put it another way, there's nothing so important in a Marvel movie that I'd give up a joke for the sake of that thing. I'm not saying I literally give zero shits about anything else, but like if the argument is that Thor's character gets more complex or whatever if you take out some jokes, I'm just going to say "give me the less complex character with the jokes, please." I mean come on, it's not like I'm watching a Tom Ford movie or something. This is a movie where the god of thunder runs around on a junk planet fighting a giant green monster man. I don't really need the sanctity of that bullshit preserved at the cost of a good joke.

  • DeadfallDeadfall I don't think you realize just how rich he is. In fact, I should put on a monocle.Registered User regular
    I loved everything about this movie. The music, the colors, Jeff Goldblum channeling max Jeff Goldblum.

    My biggest laugh:
    Thor is doing everything he can to save the Asgardians, including literally jumping ship to ship, and then here comes Loki through the dramatic fog with "Your savior has arrived!"

    Killed me.

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  • QuidQuid Definitely not a banana Registered User regular
    I think the “unimportant” scenes where Thor screws up or bumbles around are vital. He may be incredibly powerful and competent in combat but he’s still, in the end, fallible. What’s more is he doesn’t let that fallibility deter him or resort to being angry or hopeless when he screws up. He gets back up and goes again.

  • jungleroomxjungleroomx It's never too many graves, it's always not enough shovels Registered User regular
    Xeddicus wrote: »
    The humor was fine overall, they just needed to dial it back in like 2 scenes, that's it. Didn't need to massively re-write anything or remove any other jokes. Just cut the scene 2 seconds earlier would do it.
    There's nothing I care about in Marvel movies more than laughing. Or to put it another way, there's nothing so important in a Marvel movie that I'd give up a joke for the sake of that thing. I'm not saying I literally give zero shits about anything else, but like if the argument is that Thor's character gets more complex or whatever if you take out some jokes, I'm just going to say "give me the less complex character with the jokes, please." I mean come on, it's not like I'm watching a Tom Ford movie or something. This is a movie where the god of thunder runs around on a junk planet fighting a giant green monster man. I don't really need the sanctity of that bullshit preserved at the cost of a good joke.

    So basically, the MCU should be the Adam West Batman?

  • RichyRichy Registered User regular
    I understand the criticism that the humour in this movie made a stark contrast with the other two.

    But the first one was ok at best, and the second is a strong contender for Worst MCU Movie.

    So making the third starkly different is a good thing.

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  • XeddicusXeddicus Registered User regular
    edited November 2017
    You can obviously like what you like and want what you want, but if laughing is your #1 goal the MCU doesn't seem like be the best fit.

    And yeah, it shouldn't be all serious dramatic darkness, it's just some of the jokes, and again this is personal taste, undermined the moment instead of adding to it. It totally needs some or even most of the comedy and it worked well in the balance. Just tipped a tad too far.

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  • PaladinPaladin Registered User regular
    We don't get enough action comedy now that Jackie Chan isn't making those movies anymore

    Thor:Ragnarok was great, but the action still uses the Marvel Cutting Technique that takes a lot of the impact away from most of the action.

    Please don't cut a shot right when the hit connects. Please don't do it.

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  • NosfNosf Registered User regular
    Sounds like they shoehorned 5 different comic storylines into one movie and handed it to a comic director.

    I haven't been doing comic movies lately, but the only part I'd give a shit about (as a reader of Thor back in the late 80s) is that they got Skurge and his little story right.

    A friend who does like the MCU and sees them all seemed a little conflicted, he obviously liked it as he told me about it, but he apparently felt like they played the comedy hand a little too hard. I would guess that course correction is due to Guardians' success.

  • GoumindongGoumindong Registered User regular
    The cut method might actually work better in movies like this. This is because the "hit" doesn't have a concrete reaction like in a traditional kung fu movie. Rather that the person goes flying across the screen.

    Zooming in to show a reaction will create dissonance when you see what looks like a normal hit produce a much larger effect. Better to zoom out and show the whole thing.

    The non-godlike fight scenes with just the mooks did a better job in general of the ideal kung fu style i think. But would have to see again to check

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  • Mmmm... Cocks...Mmmm... Cocks... Registered User regular
    I do miss the fish out of water comedy rather than the goofy comedy. I still want to smash coffee cups and shout "another!" on a near daily basis.

  • SadgasmSadgasm Deluded doodler A cold placeRegistered User regular
    Did Odin have lightning powers? Thought he was more about just light?

    They've never really been clear on what Odins powers are in the comics, they're basically "everything", since he's one of the All-Fathers.

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  • NosfNosf Registered User regular
    Odin's comic abilities are like lots of villain abilities - he can do (or not do) whatever the story requires of him to make it dramatic.

  • ForarForar #432 Toronto, Ontario, CanadaRegistered User regular
    OKAY! So, the Infinity War trailer has landed, and
    Banner is shown alive and well. Okay. Are we good? The 'Banner is alive' side won, and we never have to worry about it again, because I'm sure where won't be any casualties whatsoever in.. err... Infinity War...

    Wait.

    Trailer, for those who haven't already seen it linked in like 4 other threads;

    First they came for the Muslims, and we said NOT TODAY, MOTHERFUCKER!
  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu PIGEON Registered User regular
    edited November 2017
    Xeddicus wrote: »
    The humor was fine overall, they just needed to dial it back in like 2 scenes, that's it. Didn't need to massively re-write anything or remove any other jokes. Just cut the scene 2 seconds earlier would do it.
    There's nothing I care about in Marvel movies more than laughing. Or to put it another way, there's nothing so important in a Marvel movie that I'd give up a joke for the sake of that thing. I'm not saying I literally give zero shits about anything else, but like if the argument is that Thor's character gets more complex or whatever if you take out some jokes, I'm just going to say "give me the less complex character with the jokes, please." I mean come on, it's not like I'm watching a Tom Ford movie or something. This is a movie where the god of thunder runs around on a junk planet fighting a giant green monster man. I don't really need the sanctity of that bullshit preserved at the cost of a good joke.

    So basically, the MCU should be the Adam West Batman?
    Camp is not the only way to be funny, but sure, if the MCU was ten times as camp, it would fucking own.

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  • RedTideRedTide Registered User regular
    Xeddicus wrote: »
    The humor was fine overall, they just needed to dial it back in like 2 scenes, that's it. Didn't need to massively re-write anything or remove any other jokes. Just cut the scene 2 seconds earlier would do it.
    There's nothing I care about in Marvel movies more than laughing. Or to put it another way, there's nothing so important in a Marvel movie that I'd give up a joke for the sake of that thing. I'm not saying I literally give zero shits about anything else, but like if the argument is that Thor's character gets more complex or whatever if you take out some jokes, I'm just going to say "give me the less complex character with the jokes, please." I mean come on, it's not like I'm watching a Tom Ford movie or something. This is a movie where the god of thunder runs around on a junk planet fighting a giant green monster man. I don't really need the sanctity of that bullshit preserved at the cost of a good joke.

    So basically, the MCU should be the Adam West Batman?
    Camp is not the only way to be funny, but sure, if the MCU was ten times as camp, it would fucking own.

    The MCU just needed more deviation from the "MCU style" that was so heavily put into place during the tail end of phase one/phase two.

    Thor having a light tone (for dark events) is a great sign since he's one of the current big three and not an "offshoot" like the first Guardians movie.

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  • hawkboxhawkbox Registered User regular
    Thanos looks like a giant purple Ron Perlman.

  • Golden YakGolden Yak Burnished Bovine The sunny beaches of CanadaRegistered User regular
    I feel Thanos could probably use the crown and pauldrons that he's got in his other appearances - bit too casual looking right now.

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  • knitdanknitdan Registered User regular
    edited December 2017
    I love that (early film, seriously minor)
    Loki got Matt Damon to play him in the play about his death

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  • WACriminalWACriminal Dying Is Easy, Young Man Living Is HarderRegistered User regular
    Deadfall wrote: »
    I loved everything about this movie. The music, the colors, Jeff Goldblum channeling max Jeff Goldblum.

    My biggest laugh:
    Thor is doing everything he can to save the Asgardians, including literally jumping ship to ship, and then here comes Loki through the dramatic fog with "Your savior has arrived!"

    Killed me.

    That's such a good character moment, too, because
    that moment is, like, literally everything Loki has ever wanted. He's wanted to be the big damn hero to Asgard, the savior, the man with the victorious plan. After years and years of trying to make people see him that way, he finally just, you know...does the right thing. No tricks, no grand schemes. Just takes the ship and the crew and goes to do the work that needs doing.

    It's played for laughs, and it is funny. But at the same time, there's some major fucking catharsis happening for him in that moment.

  • AthenorAthenor Battle Hardened Optimist The Skies of HiigaraRegistered User regular
    WACriminal wrote: »
    Deadfall wrote: »
    I loved everything about this movie. The music, the colors, Jeff Goldblum channeling max Jeff Goldblum.

    My biggest laugh:
    Thor is doing everything he can to save the Asgardians, including literally jumping ship to ship, and then here comes Loki through the dramatic fog with "Your savior has arrived!"

    Killed me.

    That's such a good character moment, too, because
    that moment is, like, literally everything Loki has ever wanted. He's wanted to be the big damn hero to Asgard, the savior, the man with the victorious plan. After years and years of trying to make people see him that way, he finally just, you know...does the right thing. No tricks, no grand schemes. Just takes the ship and the crew and goes to do the work that needs doing.

    It's played for laughs, and it is funny. But at the same time, there's some major fucking catharsis happening for him in that moment.

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    Which is why I personally believe he's giving Thanos the Tessaract in order to save the Asgardians. Hard to be a ruler without people to rule and an audience.

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  • KingofMadCowsKingofMadCows Registered User regular
    Maybe Loki can unite the Nine Realms to battle Thanos. He is royalty to both the Asgardians and the Frost Giants. He could broker a temporary peace and get them all to fight against a common threat.

  • H3KnucklesH3Knuckles But we decide which is right and which is an illusion.Registered User regular
    edited December 2017
    Nosf wrote: »
    Sounds like they shoehorned 5 different comic storylines into one movie and handed it to a comic director.

    I haven't been doing comic movies lately, but the only part I'd give a shit about (as a reader of Thor back in the late 80s) is that they got Skurge and his little story right.

    A friend who does like the MCU and sees them all seemed a little conflicted, he obviously liked it as he told me about it, but he apparently felt like they played the comedy hand a little too hard. I would guess that course correction is due to Guardians' success.

    @Nosf I would strongly recommend seeing it for yourself.

    Yeah it mashes up a bunch of comic storylines, but the movie keeps coming back around to things from earlier parts, so it all ties together very neatly. In practice it feels more like Indianna Jones & the Last Crusade (where they keep jumping from one scene in a locale to a different scene somewhere else, all without losing the narrative) moreso than one of those movies that tries to juggle too many different plot threads and ends up dropping them all.

    As for the 'too much comedy' complaints, I have to say I've been really surprised by them, because I loved this movie and I usually am that guy. I'm a big believer in entertainment being fun, and not trying to be 'grimdark' all the time, but I also have a strong aversion to works that try too hard to be wacky or zany unless they want to be full-fledged comedy (and often even then). I don't like Adam West Batman, I'm ambivalent about the Batman The Brave & The Bold cartoon (although the episode with Wonderwoman and Batman being jealous of her douchey boyfriend was great), and I don't like the Lego Batman and Lego Star Wars stuff (well, the games are fun). But I enjoyed the heck out of Thor: Ragnarok.

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  • Harry DresdenHarry Dresden Registered User regular
    edited December 2017
    Maybe Loki can unite the Nine Realms to battle Thanos. He is royalty to both the Asgardians and the Frost Giants. He could broker a temporary peace and get them all to fight against a common threat.

    Personally, I want him in the Mephisto role to Thanos.

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  • Dark Raven XDark Raven X Laugh hard, run fast, be kindRegistered User regular
    Maybe Loki can unite the Nine Realms to battle Thanos. He is royalty to both the Asgardians and the Frost Giants. He could broker a temporary peace and get them all to fight against a common threat.

    Personally, I want him in the Mephisto role to Thanos.

    Me too, but I don't like his odds
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    I think moments before that shit in the trailer, Loki uses the Cube to send Hulk to Earth. Presumably AFTER Thanos boards the ship and starts killing people / kicks Thor off, otherwise he would have gotten a ticket to Earth too.

    Even if Loki surrenders the Tesseract, it's gonna be in a scenario where he has no choice, and likely after doing something to warn others to prepare for impending attack, it's gonna be tough for him to ingratiate himself to Thanos in doing so. He literally did not deliver, the dude had to come collect.

    Oh brilliant
  • JragghenJragghen Registered User regular
    Not being familiar with the source material (but still reading your spoilers), got an angle.
    Assuming they have Hela take the role of Death, Loki can both prevent the death of the remaining Asgardians by noting that she draws her powers from Asgard and Asgard is the people, and also note that he can help guide Thanos to her because handwave handwave Asgard, etc.

    Basically, if they have Hela be Death, Loki can use that angle to get an "in."

  • Harry DresdenHarry Dresden Registered User regular
    Maybe Loki can unite the Nine Realms to battle Thanos. He is royalty to both the Asgardians and the Frost Giants. He could broker a temporary peace and get them all to fight against a common threat.

    Personally, I want him in the Mephisto role to Thanos.

    Me too, but I don't like his odds
    IW trailer
    I think moments before that shit in the trailer, Loki uses the Cube to send Hulk to Earth. Presumably AFTER Thanos boards the ship and starts killing people / kicks Thor off, otherwise he would have gotten a ticket to Earth too.

    Even if Loki surrenders the Tesseract, it's gonna be in a scenario where he has no choice, and likely after doing something to warn others to prepare for impending attack, it's gonna be tough for him to ingratiate himself to Thanos in doing so. He literally did not deliver, the dude had to come collect.
    Nothing Loki couldn't get himself out by talking fast, though it'd be tough. Plus, he's going to lie his ass off to stay alive and be seen as valuable to Thanos, once he's in then gain trust as an advisor who knows the players and Earth.

  • WACriminalWACriminal Dying Is Easy, Young Man Living Is HarderRegistered User regular
    Maybe Loki can unite the Nine Realms to battle Thanos. He is royalty to both the Asgardians and the Frost Giants. He could broker a temporary peace and get them all to fight against a common threat.

    Personally, I want him in the Mephisto role to Thanos.

    Me too, but I don't like his odds
    IW trailer
    I think moments before that shit in the trailer, Loki uses the Cube to send Hulk to Earth. Presumably AFTER Thanos boards the ship and starts killing people / kicks Thor off, otherwise he would have gotten a ticket to Earth too.

    Even if Loki surrenders the Tesseract, it's gonna be in a scenario where he has no choice, and likely after doing something to warn others to prepare for impending attack, it's gonna be tough for him to ingratiate himself to Thanos in doing so. He literally did not deliver, the dude had to come collect.

    Especially since
    Loki was ruling over Asgard for... What, months? Years? All that time, he could have taken 5 seconds to go grab the cube from the vault and drop it in the mail, metaphorically speaking.

    I don't see a way Loki survives this encounter with Thanos, which is a goddamn shame and a waste of a brilliant character.

  • Harry DresdenHarry Dresden Registered User regular
    WACriminal wrote: »
    Maybe Loki can unite the Nine Realms to battle Thanos. He is royalty to both the Asgardians and the Frost Giants. He could broker a temporary peace and get them all to fight against a common threat.

    Personally, I want him in the Mephisto role to Thanos.

    Me too, but I don't like his odds
    IW trailer
    I think moments before that shit in the trailer, Loki uses the Cube to send Hulk to Earth. Presumably AFTER Thanos boards the ship and starts killing people / kicks Thor off, otherwise he would have gotten a ticket to Earth too.

    Even if Loki surrenders the Tesseract, it's gonna be in a scenario where he has no choice, and likely after doing something to warn others to prepare for impending attack, it's gonna be tough for him to ingratiate himself to Thanos in doing so. He literally did not deliver, the dude had to come collect.

    Especially since
    Loki was ruling over Asgard for... What, months? Years? All that time, he could have taken 5 seconds to go grab the cube from the vault and drop it in the mail, metaphorically speaking.

    I don't see a way Loki survives this encounter with Thanos, which is a goddamn shame and a waste of a brilliant character.
    I'd be shocked if this is how he goes out for real, Loki's a lot smarter and self aware than Ronan was. Conning people is what he does.

  • WACriminalWACriminal Dying Is Easy, Young Man Living Is HarderRegistered User regular
    WACriminal wrote: »
    Maybe Loki can unite the Nine Realms to battle Thanos. He is royalty to both the Asgardians and the Frost Giants. He could broker a temporary peace and get them all to fight against a common threat.

    Personally, I want him in the Mephisto role to Thanos.

    Me too, but I don't like his odds
    IW trailer
    I think moments before that shit in the trailer, Loki uses the Cube to send Hulk to Earth. Presumably AFTER Thanos boards the ship and starts killing people / kicks Thor off, otherwise he would have gotten a ticket to Earth too.

    Even if Loki surrenders the Tesseract, it's gonna be in a scenario where he has no choice, and likely after doing something to warn others to prepare for impending attack, it's gonna be tough for him to ingratiate himself to Thanos in doing so. He literally did not deliver, the dude had to come collect.

    Especially since
    Loki was ruling over Asgard for... What, months? Years? All that time, he could have taken 5 seconds to go grab the cube from the vault and drop it in the mail, metaphorically speaking.

    I don't see a way Loki survives this encounter with Thanos, which is a goddamn shame and a waste of a brilliant character.
    I'd be shocked if this is how he goes out for real, Loki's a lot smarter and self aware than Ronan was. Conning people is what he does.

    My hope is that
    Thanos kills him as described, then brings him back as a show of dominance at the end of the movie, using the gauntlet.

    But I'm much less confident in that hope than I am in the first part of the theory.

  • Golden YakGolden Yak Burnished Bovine The sunny beaches of CanadaRegistered User regular
    I'm also hoping for the
    Loki fills in Mephisto's role thing

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  • jungleroomxjungleroomx It's never too many graves, it's always not enough shovels Registered User regular
    Maybe Loki can unite the Nine Realms to battle Thanos. He is royalty to both the Asgardians and the Frost Giants. He could broker a temporary peace and get them all to fight against a common threat.

    Personally, I want him in the Mephisto role to Thanos.

    Me too, but I don't like his odds
    IW trailer
    I think moments before that shit in the trailer, Loki uses the Cube to send Hulk to Earth. Presumably AFTER Thanos boards the ship and starts killing people / kicks Thor off, otherwise he would have gotten a ticket to Earth too.

    Even if Loki surrenders the Tesseract, it's gonna be in a scenario where he has no choice, and likely after doing something to warn others to prepare for impending attack, it's gonna be tough for him to ingratiate himself to Thanos in doing so. He literally did not deliver, the dude had to come collect.
    Nothing Loki couldn't get himself out by talking fast, though it'd be tough. Plus, he's going to lie his ass off to stay alive and be seen as valuable to Thanos, once he's in then gain trust as an advisor who knows the players and Earth.
    Yeah, but uh Loki already got told what not delivering the Tesseract would cause.

    I don't think Thanos really gives a shit about smooth talkers.

  • RichyRichy Registered User regular
    edited December 2017
    You guys shouldn't forget that, somewhere between Thor 1 and Avengers, Loki found the Mind Stone and an army, both presumably loaned from Thanos. Which means, he has already met Thanos once, and already convinced him of his usefulness. Now Thanos wouldn't care about Earth or Loki's grudge against his brother... there's something else Loki must have said to gain Thanos' interest.
    Loki could have promised Thanos the Tessaract stone in exchange for the mind stone and the army. Him giving Thanos the Tessaract could be him living up to his side of that deal.

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  • BogartBogart Streetwise Hercules Registered User, Moderator Mod Emeritus
    That is exactly what actually happened in the first Avengers movie. The deal in that is the temp use of the Mind Stone, the army and Earth for the Tesseract.

  • GoumindongGoumindong Registered User regular
    Which he then did not deliver on.

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  • Golden YakGolden Yak Burnished Bovine The sunny beaches of CanadaRegistered User regular
    And even if Loki argues that he's delivering the Tesseract as promised, he still lost the Mind Stone on Earth, so Thanos is still out the stone he lent Loki.

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  • dlinfinitidlinfiniti Registered User regular
    iw
    the tessaract is a cube
    the gauntlet hole is round, its gonna take thanos some time to find a cosmic jeweler to make that fit

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  • Dark Raven XDark Raven X Laugh hard, run fast, be kindRegistered User regular
    Crack it like a cosmic egg!

    The Aether is a trickier one. Gonna have to scoop it all up and smush it into stone form.

    Oh brilliant
  • JavenJaven Registered User regular
    I always kinda figured the gauntlet would do that stuff

  • syndalissyndalis Getting Classy On the WallRegistered User, Loves Apple Products, Transition Team regular
    dlinfiniti wrote: »
    iw
    the tessaract is a cube
    the gauntlet hole is round, its gonna take thanos some time to find a cosmic jeweler to make that fit
    tesseract is just a vessel for the infinity stone inside of it, same as the staff or the eye of agamoto

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