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  • LBD_NytetraynLBD_Nytetrayn TorontoRegistered User regular
    Prohass wrote: »
    some reviews coming out, theyre pretty sparse on details for obvious reasons, and really this is the kind of thing thatll get better as developers get better with it. Only real issue ive heard about is that loading times arent that much better, again thats something I think will improve with time

    i also get why theyre doing reviews, but with so few updates out for games it seems kind of pointless.

    The load times aren't much better, no, but let me tell you: Download speed left my original Xbox One choking on dust.

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  • SynthesisSynthesis Honda Today! Registered User regular
    As pointed out in the past, a 7200 RPM drive would've been great--and a little more expensive and a lot louder, which is probably why we don't see them in any consoles. A hybrid drive would've been a lot more expensive, but near SSD-level improvement.

    A 1 TB SSD costs more than half of the whole console. Also, neither Playstation 4 nor Xbox One makes terribly impressive use of one (that's a modded internal XB1) given how efficiently their operating systems work and their reliance on standby modes (which is a major point of SSDs).

    The fact that there is some improvement with an ol' 5400 RPM drive is noteworthy, and that speaks to the hardware access times and so forth. For games that now load 80GB worth of textures coughGears of War 4cough, that's going to be needed.

  • chamberlainchamberlain Registered User regular
    I am seriously excited to play Forza 7 at 4K. I just hope that the patch is ready on Tuesday.

  • SynthesisSynthesis Honda Today! Registered User regular
    I've been holding off on Forza 7 for exactly that reason (well, that and the inevitable sense of dread every time a new FM title comes out, since the series is consistently amazing but demands you give you your hard-worn past progress).

    DF's "Review" of the console is up, at this rate I might start dropping all of them into OP.

  • chamberlainchamberlain Registered User regular
    Watching the review now.

    Goodness, the X draws a lot of power compared to the S.

  • SynthesisSynthesis Honda Today! Registered User regular
    edited November 2017
    The Windows Central review was very comprehensive, but DF seems to be where to go first and foremost--yes, they do have temperature cameras and sound measurements, but more importantly they have some very important insights into its strengths and weaknesses as media machine (like being hamstrung by Google's terrible YouTube app, but having more capability than PSFro thanks to the UHD drive).

    More importantly, I think, the revelations about non X-patched games are really important, even more so than faster loading times: consistently better performance at 60 FPS (or 30 if limited to that), at 1080p--something the base PS4 and 'Pro do not always hit presently without patching either. The implication is that non Xbox One X-patched Doom hits 60 FPS at 1080p (upscaled?) now. Also, no 4K UI at the behest of developers wanting a bit more memory to work with. But as with the PSFro, the console without patching is potentially hamstrung by the modest CPU improvement (looking at you, Just Cause 3, you unoptimized comically-accented trainwreck you).

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  • tastydonutstastydonuts Registered User regular
    The price of moar teraflops!

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    oh oh oh oh oh

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  • Wraith260Wraith260 Happiest Goomba! Registered User regular
    i'm expecting we'll see a few more videos from DF in the coming days and weeks as they get to try out the One X enhancements and 4K patches that weren't available to them in time for their initial review. for now they also have a video up focusing on how standard Xbone games run on the new hardware.

  • SynthesisSynthesis Honda Today! Registered User regular
    I'm dropping them in OP as they come up. The Forums' structure doesn't really lend itself to reviewing the original post well, but whatever, they're there.

  • HardtargetHardtarget There Are Four Lights VancouverRegistered User regular
    Synthesis wrote: »
    PSFro
    graaah this still drives me nuts and completely makes me lose the plot in your post lol. nobody says that, it makes no sense! All I can imagine is a PS4 with a little afro ontop.

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  • PeenPeen Registered User regular
    If the XboneX could make Fallout 4 and Just Cause 3 run like butter I'd almost buy one just for that.

  • localhjaylocalhjay Registered User regular
    If they don't update JC3 to take advantage I will be very mad

    and sad

  • SynthesisSynthesis Honda Today! Registered User regular
    edited November 2017
    Hardtarget wrote: »
    Synthesis wrote: »
    PSFro
    graaah this still drives me nuts and completely makes me lose the plot in your post lol. nobody says that, it makes no sense! All I can imagine is a PS4 with a little afro ontop.

    I wish I could take credit for it. :twisted:
    If they don't update JC3 to take advantage I will be very mad

    and sad

    I think this is never going to happen--and is even less likely than a JC3 visual upgrade patch (that doesn't do much about the serious performance problems on all consoles and most PCs).

    Yeah, it sucks. At this rate I might as well wait for BC for Mercenaries 2.

    Synthesis on
  • SynthesisSynthesis Honda Today! Registered User regular
    Also, holy crap--Kinect adapter prices have shot the hell up in the last two weeks. I was waiting out for a $30 used deal on eBay, now Amazon and eBay are in the $80 range.

    If you need one, you may want to order from the Microsoft Store--and soon.

  • chamberlainchamberlain Registered User regular
    Forza 7 update will be available at Xbox One X launch.

    https://forzamotorsport.net/en-us/news/fm7_x1x_update

    It will take all of Tuesday to download it so I won't actually touch it until Wednesday, but still, this is good news.

  • HardtargetHardtarget There Are Four Lights VancouverRegistered User regular
    edited November 2017
    super happy i got my kinect adapter for free when i upgraded to the S through a basically broken EB Games Canada trade up promo last year (i almost made money on the damn deal lol)

    I don't have a 4k TV but at some point if I ever get one I could see maybe trading up to an X and not having to buy one of those stupid adapters will be a nice bonus.

    I'm kinda surprised that MS isn't running another free adapater promo for like 3 months as there are definitely people upgrading from OG xbox ones to the X so they have a bunch of kinects out there still

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  • localhjaylocalhjay Registered User regular
    I forgot it came out so soon, and just bought a load of Xmas gifts for family so uhhh

    Maybe gonna cancel my preorder on 1X until I can justify spending 500 smackers on a new xbox for me after buying that much in gifts + a flight home lol whoops

    Dang do I want to the dumb thing and just get it anyways tho

  • tastydonutstastydonuts Registered User regular
    Part of me thinks I should buy another kinect and adapter but what are the odds of the ones I have breaking down since I only use them for the mic?

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  • tastydonutstastydonuts Registered User regular
    edited November 2017
    Oh wow, I was bummed about Motiga being closed, but PWE shuttered Runic (Torchlight, Hob) entirely.

    Gigantic will still be supported by a skeleton team of Motigans that work for PWE (who, unlike Microsoft actually secretly acquired the whole company) :\

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  • chamberlainchamberlain Registered User regular
    Oh wow, I was bummed about Motiga being closed, but PWE shuttered Runic (Torchlight, Hob) entirely.

    Gigantic will still be supported by a skeleton team of Motigans that work for PWE (who, unlike Microsoft actually secretly acquired the whole company) :\

    Where did you see that news about PWE closing Runic? This is super depressing, if true.

  • SynthesisSynthesis Honda Today! Registered User regular
    Hardtarget wrote: »
    I'm kinda surprised that MS isn't running another free adapater promo for like 3 months as there are definitely people upgrading from OG xbox ones to the X so they have a bunch of kinects out there still

    It's a discontinued product now, it's very easy to justify not doing so.

  • tastydonutstastydonuts Registered User regular
    edited November 2017
    Oh wow, I was bummed about Motiga being closed, but PWE shuttered Runic (Torchlight, Hob) entirely.

    Gigantic will still be supported by a skeleton team of Motigans that work for PWE (who, unlike Microsoft actually secretly acquired the whole company) :\

    Where did you see that news about PWE closing Runic? This is super depressing, if true.

    It seems to have just broken (Motiga's "redundancies" were mentioned earlier.):

    ...

    Perfect World Entertainment recently closed the Seattle office of Runic Games as part of the company’s continued strategy to focus on online games as a service. We’re grateful to the team for all of their hard work bringing incredible experiences like Torchlight, Torchlight II and Hob to life. Runic Games will remain a part of Perfect World Entertainment’s portfolio of studios, and its games will continue to be available to players, as we stay committed to supporting and growing Runic Games’ beloved franchises.

    The staff reduction at Motiga and the closure of Runic Games Seattle were unrelated. Perfect World Entertainment stands committed to delivering the best massively multiplayer online gameplay experiences to our players.

    https://kotaku.com/big-layoffs-at-studio-behind-gigantic-studio-behind-to-1820120915

    Both they and Massively OP have the same statement:

    http://massivelyop.com/2017/11/03/motiga-pwe-gigantic/

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  • chamberlainchamberlain Registered User regular
    For fuck's sake.

  • tastydonutstastydonuts Registered User regular
    edited November 2017
    On a lighter note:

    Apparently Quantum Break's Xbox One X patch is 178 gb with everything (everything means including the TV show portion).

    (Source)

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  • Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Cybertronian Paranormal Eliminator Registered User regular
    Ouch.
    (The closures, not the file size. Though that's painful too.)

  • tastydonutstastydonuts Registered User regular
    Well, Motiga is still around, kind of. It seems like they just laid off everybody save for a "core team" to continue to support and release the characters and stuff.

    Runic seems to be zombie shell for PWE's portfolio. Sucks that Hob didn't drop on the xbox one, would have bought it. Torchlight 2 too. So it goes.

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  • LBD_NytetraynLBD_Nytetrayn TorontoRegistered User regular
    Synthesis wrote: »
    I've been holding off on Forza 7 for exactly that reason (well, that and the inevitable sense of dread every time a new FM title comes out, since the series is consistently amazing but demands you give you your hard-worn past progress).

    DF's "Review" of the console is up, at this rate I might start dropping all of them into OP.

    DF's stuff, or reviews in general?

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  • SynthesisSynthesis Honda Today! Registered User regular
    Synthesis wrote: »
    I've been holding off on Forza 7 for exactly that reason (well, that and the inevitable sense of dread every time a new FM title comes out, since the series is consistently amazing but demands you give you your hard-worn past progress).

    DF's "Review" of the console is up, at this rate I might start dropping all of them into OP.

    DF's stuff, or reviews in general?

    Xbox One X reviews. I put two of them in the OP. I'll probably put Polygon's complete video up next....?

  • Wraith260Wraith260 Happiest Goomba! Registered User regular
    here's the details on the ONe X enhancements for Hitman.
    IO Interactive announced details of Hitman’s Xbox One X update today, saying that the game will offer multiple display options. In “High Detail Mode,” Hitman will run in a native 4K resolution; in “High Frame Rate Mode,” will run at 60 frames per second. (The game already supports HDR on PS4 and Xbox One.)

    Both settings sound like significant upgrades over the PS4 Pro features for Hitman that IO delivered last fall. On Sony’s system, the game offers 1440p resolution, and can run with an unlocked frame rate that rarely comes close to 60 fps.

    Hitman’s Xbox One X update will go live on the morning of Nov. 7, the console’s launch date. The patch will be 4-5 GB, depending on the platform. For more, you can check out a trailer showing off the Xbox One X enhancements below.

    video at the bottom of this story.

  • DashuiDashui Registered User regular
    Do games with the Xbox One X Enhanced label on the box, such as Call of Duty WW2, include support on the disc? Or do we still have to wait for patches?

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  • Le_GoatLe_Goat Frechified Goat Person BostonRegistered User regular
    Synthesis wrote: »
    Hardtarget wrote: »
    I'm kinda surprised that MS isn't running another free adapater promo for like 3 months as there are definitely people upgrading from OG xbox ones to the X so they have a bunch of kinects out there still

    It's a discontinued product now, it's very easy to justify not doing so.
    I still think it would make sense for them to do that. If someone (like me) wants to keep using the product and is willing to allow them to obtain usage information (which I'm totally cool with), it could help them develop something better in the future. Maybe I'm just being a hopeless romantic with a future Kinect.

    While I agree that being insensitive is an issue, so is being oversensitive.
  • SynthesisSynthesis Honda Today! Registered User regular
    Le_Goat wrote: »
    Synthesis wrote: »
    Hardtarget wrote: »
    I'm kinda surprised that MS isn't running another free adapater promo for like 3 months as there are definitely people upgrading from OG xbox ones to the X so they have a bunch of kinects out there still

    It's a discontinued product now, it's very easy to justify not doing so.
    I still think it would make sense for them to do that. If someone (like me) wants to keep using the product and is willing to allow them to obtain usage information (which I'm totally cool with), it could help them develop something better in the future. Maybe I'm just being a hopeless romantic with a future Kinect.

    The difficulty is that it's not going into another venue--for example, being a depth-sensing 3D camera like the original Kinect was for PC applications for a while--but being shuffled out entirely. I think. This was what was having to the Playstation 3 Move controllers prior to the launch of VR on the PS4--and when the inevitable replacement is finally introduced, then they will be removed entirely (that, or PSVR is going to be discontinued--let's hope for the former).

    Basically, this is why we can't have nice things.
    Dashui wrote: »
    Do games with the Xbox One X Enhanced label on the box, such as Call of Duty WW2, include support on the disc? Or do we still have to wait for patches?

    No, with a caveat: the "enhancement" for some games includes things like 4K texture packs. GOW4, Forza 7, Shadow of War, and others all include this. It also makes them huge, in the 100 GB range, to the point where you'd need to ship them on UHD discs (which wouldn't be readable on the launch console--that's honestly a possibility down the line, but certainly not going to happen now). This is a major difference between the XB1X "update" and the PSFro "update"--so far, no title on Sony's platform has included a major asset update, as far as I know, for 4K (in actuality ~1440p, there is no PSFro game that runs natively at 4K presently I think, and they are rare on XB1X).

    Now if it just comes down to higher resolutions, some framerate adjustments, additional settings options, etc., (which are the "norm" for 4K updates on both platforms) those can all be included on the disc. They may be for future games, since they're literally just an additional set of instructions.

    The normal procedure for those of us still being games on disc is to put in our disc, install it (as we still do--this isn't Steam, your console will actually read data though its optical drive), and then accept the option to download the huge additional patches if they're available. They aren't mandatory, and MS has previously alluded to offering the option to delete (or not download) any XB1X-related asset packs for those who're worried about internet caps, don't have much space (apparently the XB1X when people receive it has only about 780 GB of free space still left, after the updated OS and built-in apps), are playing on 1080p and don't care about supersampling, etc.

  • LBD_NytetraynLBD_Nytetrayn TorontoRegistered User regular
    Synthesis wrote: »
    Synthesis wrote: »
    I've been holding off on Forza 7 for exactly that reason (well, that and the inevitable sense of dread every time a new FM title comes out, since the series is consistently amazing but demands you give you your hard-worn past progress).

    DF's "Review" of the console is up, at this rate I might start dropping all of them into OP.

    DF's stuff, or reviews in general?

    Xbox One X reviews. I put two of them in the OP. I'll probably put Polygon's complete video up next....?

    Ah. I've got this, and I found USgamer's to be good.

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  • ErlkönigErlkönig Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    So, it looks like I can't cancel or change the payment method for my Xbonx preorder. I'm now hoping that means the payment is being processed and they're aiming for launch date delivery.

    Yes, I'm real good at setting myself up for disappointment.

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  • tastydonutstastydonuts Registered User regular
    edited November 2017
    Synthesis wrote: »
    Synthesis wrote: »
    I've been holding off on Forza 7 for exactly that reason (well, that and the inevitable sense of dread every time a new FM title comes out, since the series is consistently amazing but demands you give you your hard-worn past progress).

    DF's "Review" of the console is up, at this rate I might start dropping all of them into OP.

    DF's stuff, or reviews in general?

    Xbox One X reviews. I put two of them in the OP. I'll probably put Polygon's complete video up next....?

    Ah. I've got this, and I found USgamer's to be good.

    By default, you should not include any reviews that try to review what the console does on a non 4K television because they (as in Microsoft) literally said there's no real point in buying the console if you're not going to use it on a 4K TV and you'd be better served getting the One S. The exception being if you're planning on buying a 4K TV in the near future.

    That Mario-hat one.... just... these are the cons:

    - No offer for a free Kinect adapter... a thing that was known that it wouldn't have (which he acknowledges), and a product that is no longer being manufactured.

    - No noticeable upgrade in sound on an HDTV? They used their TV speakers.

    - Only a marginal improvement in visuals on an HDTV.

    Why... ?

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  • localhjaylocalhjay Registered User regular
    edited November 2017
    Yeah that's my hesitation too, I don't have a 4k set but I do want that enhanced framerate on games that offer it. I'm torn, because I could afford a new TV or a 1X but not both, lol

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  • SynthesisSynthesis Honda Today! Registered User regular
    edited November 2017
    MS has talked about the loading advantages, supersampling, etc., but yeah, both MS And Sony have been very clear about these consoles being aimed at 4K television owners, and both companies have updated versions of their consoles aimed at 1080p television owners too.

    Plus I mostly want to just put in video reviews.

    Synthesis on
  • LBD_NytetraynLBD_Nytetrayn TorontoRegistered User regular
    Synthesis wrote: »
    Synthesis wrote: »
    I've been holding off on Forza 7 for exactly that reason (well, that and the inevitable sense of dread every time a new FM title comes out, since the series is consistently amazing but demands you give you your hard-worn past progress).

    DF's "Review" of the console is up, at this rate I might start dropping all of them into OP.

    DF's stuff, or reviews in general?

    Xbox One X reviews. I put two of them in the OP. I'll probably put Polygon's complete video up next....?

    Ah. I've got this, and I found USgamer's to be good.

    By default, you should not include any reviews that try to review what the console does on a non 4K television because they (as in Microsoft) literally said there's no real point in buying the console if you're not going to use it on a 4K TV and you'd be better served getting the One S. The exception being if you're planning on buying a 4K TV in the near future.

    That Mario-hat one.... just... these are the cons:

    - No offer for a free Kinect adapter... a thing that was known that it wouldn't have (which he acknowledges), and a product that is no longer being manufactured.

    - No noticeable upgrade in sound on an HDTV? They used their TV speakers.

    - Only a marginal improvement in visuals on an HDTV.

    Why... ?

    Honestly? I'm not entirely sure myself. I told them from the start that I don't have a 4K television, and they proceeded anyway (no complaints here). The questions even asked if the user has a 4K TV, do they were prepared for the possibility, and apparently my review was included in some kind of report.

    So at that point it was like "well, okay then." I can only surmise that since they were boasting that even non-4K users would have an improved experience, that's what they were interested in seeing, and is what I told them my approach would be.

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  • SirialisSirialis of the Halite Throne. Registered User regular
    Anyone else getting randomly signed out in the middle of playing? Happened 3 times today so far and I dont remember it ever happening before... pretty annoying since I get kicked to main screen each time.

  • SynthesisSynthesis Honda Today! Registered User regular
    Sirialis wrote: »
    Anyone else getting randomly signed out in the middle of playing? Happened 3 times today so far and I dont remember it ever happening before... pretty annoying since I get kicked to main screen each time.

    Haven't run into it yet, but possibly the service is getting overloaded--it could be unrelated but I've already downloaded ~200 GB worth of XB1X patches despite obviously not having one. I'm bracing myself from some service flickering, if not an outright outage.

    I was having problems downloading those big patches until I did a hard restart, and that helped.

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