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The event really is F2P friendly. I'm seeing plenty of people talking about their low cost F2P friendly teams clearing it. Someone cleared today's mission with Cu, St George, and the support Dantes. No backline.
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SpectrumArcher of InfernoChaldea Rec RoomRegistered Userregular
The fuck? Forums plz. Fine, any arbitrary time from about 2:20 works. That should have been the start of doing Challenge Quest 2 with various teams. You can even skip past that slightly since that's just trolling with an artsmeme team again and then it gets into 1-3* team building.
So I skipped to him setting up the first team. And he's laughing while saying, "This is totally a Free to Play team guys. Those CEs aren't all limit broken." And he's got every single Servant I can see max evolution and max level. Most with high level skills. And then he fails the quest anyway. Now he's making a team that has 4 star Servants and CEs in it. And a max level/evolution 3 star that released like a week ago. With almost maxed skills, too. Next team is all 5 stars?
I'm not sure what I'm supposed to be seeing here.
The first non 5-star team he uses the free event Servants and squeaks out the win. It's Hector, Santa Alter, Caster Liz, Nobu, and Medea and the CEs are trash. Their skills are all 6s or lower. That's 100% Free to Play. The joke is that he's pretending like he's F2P with this team when obviously he's not. And he succeeds.
He fails once with Georgios/Hans/Ushi/Blackbeard/Euryale but succeeds on the second try once he gets more used to the fight. That's EVEN MORE FREE.
He does a bunch more and then eventually I think he gets to using Ko-gil but who cares at that point, it's well proven out.
I have no idea why you're bringing up that they're max evolution and level. Of course they are. They're 3* Servants, it's super trivial to do so, especially if the supposed assertion is that you've been playing since launch.
If you're trying to say that you should be able to beat content easily with free to play Servants and yet don't want to put in the time to ascend and level them then just go play a different game and stop wasting everyone's time.
What you're supposed to be seeing is in the video, not watching for 2 seconds and not paying attention to try to justify another ignorance post.
The fuck? Forums plz. Fine, any arbitrary time from about 2:20 works. That should have been the start of doing Challenge Quest 2 with various teams. You can even skip past that slightly since that's just trolling with an artsmeme team again and then it gets into 1-3* team building.
So I skipped to him setting up the first team. And he's laughing while saying, "This is totally a Free to Play team guys. Those CEs aren't all limit broken." And he's got every single Servant I can see max evolution and max level. Most with high level skills. And then he fails the quest anyway. Now he's making a team that has 4 star Servants and CEs in it. And a max level/evolution 3 star that released like a week ago. With almost maxed skills, too. Next team is all 5 stars?
I'm not sure what I'm supposed to be seeing here.
Just make sure you are arguing the right thing, here. Having max ascended/leveled characters with high level skills has nothing to do with being FTP. I agree that I wouldn't expect most people to have that many high leveled skills, but maxing the levels of all the servants you are actually using is certainly doable for a relatively casual player who has been playing for a while.
Either way, I've always avoided watching videos of other people playing this game (outside of stuff like all-bronze teams or solo-Herc clearing some challenge quests). As someone who is very nearly free to play (and still doesn't have a single kaleidoscope on my Japanese account despite playing since close to when it launched), it's always kinda infuriating to see what other people have.
How is it super trivial to get every 1-3 star Servant to max level and evolution? And bump most of their skills up to at least 6? I've been playing every day since launch, grinding events, farming half stamina experience. And I have one Cu at 50 and I think two other things at 40. So it's obviously not trivial? I would have to spend the entire event time grinding out experience and materials to make any of those 'free' teams he used. And I still wouldn't have the CEs to equip on them, because I don't have at least one of the ones I saw there.
Even starting almost three hours in there was two hours of video left. I skipped to the end of setup for each team to see what he was using and equipping. I watched most of each attempt of the missions. When I saw he was going back to using 4-5 star things I just skimmed to check even team setup before I was done. Do you think watching three hours of a guy using things I don't have access to will help me somehow? I'm still not getting what benefit you feel I will get from watching this streamer you like.
I pumped all the experience and materials into the few 4-5 stars I've got. Most of which still aren't max level or evolution. I haven't bothered much with skills because none of the Servants I've got have game-changing skills I need to worry about upgrading.
I mean the point wasn't "use the exact teams you see here", it was to illustrate that the event can be cleared with lower rarity characters
How long have you been playing? This event is designed for players who have been at it for a while.
If you haven't been, this event isn't designed for you to beat it and it's understandable that it would be frustrating. If you have been, you should probably have a handful of max ascended servants.
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StragintDo Not GiftAlways DeclinesRegistered Userregular
edited March 2018
I don't really play all that often, not even close to everyday. Mostly just during events or when the sudden urge to farm hits me. I've spent too much money not to play.
But with my sporadic play I have gotten a fairly good group of high level servants, maybe not max but if I played everyday they would easily all be maxed.
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I burn down stamina for xp most days... and just a couple sets of those (6 runs usually) has let me get Nero Bride and both Shikis to near cap since the start of the KnK event. As long as you can clear the 40 AP xp run leveling is trivial.
I've been playing every day since launch, grinding events, farming half stamina experience. And I have one Cu at 50 and I think two other things at 40.
I have started much later than you, only have been doing the events semi seriously and this totally doesn't compute at all man. You must be doing something extremely wrong.
I realize everyone's luck can and will make their mileage vary, but the only time I've ever spent money on F/GO was enough quartz for a pull on the paid quartz guaranteed SSR banner, which got me Jeanne and some duplicate 3-stars. I have a number of good 4- and 5-star servants, many of them max ascended, some max Fou'd, I'm even sitting on 300 quartz and over 40 summon tickets right now, and I've been doing well on this event that's supposed to be extra hard with only 1 failed run so far.
I mean, yes, not everybody is going to get tip-top, most-beloved 5-stars, but if you're playing frequently, you're just not going to be completely devoid of strong servants, and there are lower tier servants who will fill the gaps even if you don't have an ace team. I'm not sure what the problem is.
I mean the point wasn't "use the exact teams you see here", it was to illustrate that the event can be cleared with lower rarity characters
How long have you been playing? This event is designed for players who have been at it for a while.
If you haven't been, this event isn't designed for you to beat it and it's understandable that it would be frustrating. If you have been, you should probably have a handful of max ascended servants.
I've been here since the first day. I was posting about it in I think the JRPG thread before it got the first thread. But I agree that this event isn't designed for me to beat it. And that's definitely why I'm frustrated by it, and by the general direction of the game as a whole.
I burn down stamina for xp most days... and just a couple sets of those (6 runs usually) has let me get Nero Bride and both Shikis to near cap since the start of the KnK event. As long as you can clear the 40 AP xp run leveling is trivial.
Running the 40 AP thing once gives like...5-10 gold XP cards. You need to spend 20 to get 1-2 levels. So usually one full stamina bar of runs is one level for one Servant. And that's for levels between like 30-80. Above that it's like 30-40 cards for a level, it seems. And that's using the double XP ones.
I've been playing every day since launch, grinding events, farming half stamina experience. And I have one Cu at 50 and I think two other things at 40.
I have started much later than you, only have been doing the events semi seriously and this totally doesn't compute at all man. You must be doing something extremely wrong.
I pumped every bit of XP into my 4-5 stars. Which take a ton to level. And still aren't even very useful because I didn't pull any of the actual good ones.
It does take a lot of XP cards to max a four or five star but it is absolutely doable. It takes time, but if you've been playing since day one you should have been able to do it even if you weren't playing every day. I have about 18 maxed servants, and I didn't start playing regularly until September.
As for not having good gold servants, this game is such that you do not need "the best" servants to win. You can clear everything without a single gold servant. And even the worst gold servants are still very good.
I don't know what to tell you. It honestly seems like you're setting out to fail and getting upset when it happens. Such as not boosting skill levels, or deciding your gold servants are useless before actually getting them finished.
Can i have a look at your arsenal so far, i am really curious to be honest
Plus Atalanta, Anne & Mary, Saber Lily and Stheno x 2 at level 1. All the other 1-3 stars I have are level 1. I believe I leveled those up there for events.
It does take a lot of XP cards to max a four or five star but it is absolutely doable. It takes time, but if you've been playing since day one you should have been able to do it even if you weren't playing every day. I have about 18 maxed servants, and I didn't start playing regularly until September.
As for not having good gold servants, this game is such that you do not need "the best" servants to win. You can clear everything without a single gold servant. And even the worst gold servants are still very good.
I don't know what to tell you. It honestly seems like you're setting out to fail and getting upset when it happens. Such as not boosting skill levels, or deciding your gold servants are useless before actually getting them finished.
Looks like I've got 4 max level, and those are max Fou as well. Unfortunately not very good ones, and two that overlap, but one was my starting 5 star pull so? And I used Fous based on what type I received, then used the All types to finish them off. I think Herc has max Fou stats as well, but he's been fairly useless after being so hyped up so he just sits in the back of farming/story teams with Jeanne, soaking up Bond.
If I had the good Servants I could clear the hard content easier. I could also farm regular XP and materials easier, and farm events easier. Which would then make it easier to power up every other non-OP Servant I have as well. It would just make the entire game easier. And now they're building the game around assuming you've got the top 5 Servants, because that's who they're catering to, and they want to encourage everyone else to spend money to catch up. So I'm being left behind, like usual for these games.
And now they're building the game around assuming you've got the top 5 Servants, because that's who they're catering to, and they want to encourage everyone else to spend money to catch up.
Why do you feel the need to make up stupid bullshit to complain about? Like, this is far from a perfect game, so why do you just invent things to whine over?
You've been playing this game three or four months longer than I have, and yet, here I am with zero dollars invested in it, and judging from your posts, a lot less time invested in it, having none of these problems that you're so bitterly complaining about. It seems pretty apparent that the game is not the problem.
That is a VERY good account. You have Altera, Drake, and Jeanne! And Scathatch! And Herc! And Lancelot!
Those are some of the best gold servants in the game.
Get those servants leveled, and you'll be in top shape. Heck, the ones you have leveled already should be enough to beat most of the Prison Tower missions.
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MaddocI'm Bobbin Threadbare, are you my mother?Registered Userregular
Just to put Reynold's ridiculous bullshit into perspective, for today's quest, I used Fergus, Halloween Liz, Caster Cu, Saber Lily, and Santa Alter. So a 3*, and four charity servants.
So much for -
And now they're building the game around assuming you've got the top 5 Servants
:razz: :razz: :razz:
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MaddocI'm Bobbin Threadbare, are you my mother?Registered Userregular
Incidentally, I just drew the mediocre Avenger!
I guess on the bright side, I don't need to try and get Gorgon or Lobo later, because I definitely won't get Jalter
And now they're building the game around assuming you've got the top 5 Servants, because that's who they're catering to, and they want to encourage everyone else to spend money to catch up.
Why do you feel the need to make up stupid bullshit to complain about? Like, this is far from a perfect game, so why do you just invent things to whine over?
You've been playing this game three or four months longer than I have, and yet, here I am with zero dollars invested in it, and judging from your posts, a lot less time invested in it, having none of these problems that you're so bitterly complaining about. It seems pretty apparent that the game is not the problem.
I didn't make anything up? That's what I see happening right now. It's how most F2P games work. You get a lot of free stuff at the very beginning, things are simple to ease you in. If you give them a ton of money (and sometimes time) it's also incredibly easy. But everyone in the middle on the time/money/luck chart is mostly screwed.
If you haven't been playing as long and also haven't spent any money, then you've been luckier. It's easy to figure that out.
Reynolds can i slap you right now lol you have a bunch of really good characters man
They're not that great. And they're certainly not the best. The ones I have that are above average I don't really like or enjoy using, and the ones whose designs I like or I enjoy playing are even worse. It sucks.
That is a VERY good account. You have Altera, Drake, and Jeanne! And Scathatch! And Herc! And Lancelot!
Those are some of the best gold servants in the game.
Get those servants leveled, and you'll be in top shape. Heck, the ones you have leveled already should be enough to beat most of the Prison Tower missions.
I have leveled all of those. Each quest so far has been designed to make sure I can't really use them. Like making the floors go Lancer - Archer - Saber so any one of those I bring will get immediately annihilated and do no damage on the floor with the bad matchup. Or another having Assassin/Caster/Rider on the boss floor.
I use Altera and Drake for farming exp and that's about it. Altera needs a miracle to get her NP ready, so if I can't use Kaleidoscope or a friend to buff her gauge she's basically useless. Scathatch has the same problem, and only hits one enemy...so every once in a while there's an Archer boss to kill, and that's about it.
Jeanne does approximately zero damage and has two useless skills and one that'd be great if it ever worked. Her NP would be great if it didn't make her useless. And if she had some way to charge it without attacking for zero damage.
Herc and Lancelot have the same exact thing happen every time I use them: first turn they're out, they get zero cards and can't attack. All three enemies attack them and they die.
I haven't found much use for them. I only even bothered with Saber Alter for the event.
I didn't pull any of the ones that would be useful on basically every team and would make a huge difference in how I approach every single aspect of the game, from farming to bosses.
Edit: Having one of the actual top tier most useful 5 stars is better than having a bunch of 'good' 4 and 5 stars. Because I can't actually use a team of those five together and equip anything worth equipping. While having one of the amazing 5 stars and one amazing 5 star CE equipped can carry your entire team.
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StragintDo Not GiftAlways DeclinesRegistered Userregular
Just to put Reynold's ridiculous bullshit into perspective, for today's quest, I used Fergus, Halloween Liz, Caster Cu, Saber Lily, and Santa Alter. So a 3*, and four charity servants.
So much for -
And now they're building the game around assuming you've got the top 5 Servants
So you only used those 3 and 4 stars to clear the Halloween and Christmas events? And to farm all the needed materials and XP? And you're using all FP CEs? Because the further you move away from just posting what Servants you used to clear one mission and actually explain how you got to the point that you were able to do that, the more it reinforces my point.
Looking back to check, you used a bunch of 5 star CEs not everyone would be guaranteed access to? Especially one of them at max. I know I don't even have one Halloween Devil. And you were also using one of the better 5 star Servants on that team, that would definitely help with this event and have made progressing to this point and farming much easier.
The examples you're giving are just reconfirming what I already thought and providing more evidence for me about how other people are experiencing the game. You pulled better Servants and CEs than me and used those to boost the average power of your team above mine, making the game easier for you. And you then cannot understand how I could be having any trouble with the game because you're doing fine with it.
Why would the information you've shared make me think anything else?
Bullshit. A 3* and four charity servants is 'pulling better than you?'
So you don't have Vlad and a Halloween gatcha only CE? And those are only the ones you posted about, I'm sure you've got other, better things that helped you to that point.
I've had good luck thus far with rate-up, so I'm hoping Jalter continues the trend. Though, I'm starting to wonder if Avenger is really all that since Support Dantes looks super flashy but does almost nothing without crits. Still, he's a Quick Servant with AoE Quick NP whereas Jalter is a Buster Servant with ST Buster NP + steroids. So there's that.
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SpectrumArcher of InfernoChaldea Rec RoomRegistered Userregular
Usual disclaimers about Tier Lists in general apply (YMMV, use what you have, not even all 'high tier' Servants are useful in all situations) but it's probably broadly correct. (Remember that you can't use the current appmedia rankings and only filter out stuff because it'll be wildly wrong!)
I've had good luck thus far with rate-up, so I'm hoping Jalter continues the trend. Though, I'm starting to wonder if Avenger is really all that since Support Dantes looks super flashy but does almost nothing without crits. Still, he's a Quick Servant with AoE Quick NP whereas Jalter is a Buster Servant with ST Buster NP + steroids. So there's that.
They occupy pretty different niches. Dantes would be solid paired off with Jack because crits for daaaays, but Jalter's skill set is better. Determination of Steel is pretty nice though.
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SpectrumArcher of InfernoChaldea Rec RoomRegistered Userregular
edited March 2018
FWIW, what I've seen seems to indicate that Dantes eventually falls off a cliff by the time JP rolls around while of course Jalter still stays meta relevant.
He's fine now, though. (And his animations are super slick.)
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Kevin CristI make the devil hit his kneesand say the 'our father'Registered Userregular
Jalter also has one of the best attack buffs in the game if your other servants have the Dragon trait.
I think it's just I have yet to have a scenario where Dantes gets to truly shine. Hoping the floor with two Rulers helps with that, because with the last one I kind of just had Heracles smash.
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I think it's just I have yet to have a scenario where Dantes gets to truly shine. Hoping the floor with two Rulers helps with that, because with the last one I kind of just had Heracles smash.
May want to lean on him for tomorrow, yeah. If you don't kill Amakusa by the time he NPs, you probably get blown up.
Usual disclaimers about Tier Lists in general apply (YMMV, use what you have, not even all 'high tier' Servants are useful in all situations) but it's probably broadly correct. (Remember that you can't use the current appmedia rankings and only filter out stuff because it'll be wildly wrong!)
I think it's just I have yet to have a scenario where Dantes gets to truly shine. Hoping the floor with two Rulers helps with that, because with the last one I kind of just had Heracles smash.
May want to lean on him for tomorrow, yeah. If you don't kill Amakusa by the time he NPs, you probably get blown up.
Should I just burn a seal right out the gate and start Dantes in the back line so he makes it to the last fight without a scratch?
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The event really is F2P friendly. I'm seeing plenty of people talking about their low cost F2P friendly teams clearing it. Someone cleared today's mission with Cu, St George, and the support Dantes. No backline.
The first non 5-star team he uses the free event Servants and squeaks out the win. It's Hector, Santa Alter, Caster Liz, Nobu, and Medea and the CEs are trash. Their skills are all 6s or lower. That's 100% Free to Play. The joke is that he's pretending like he's F2P with this team when obviously he's not. And he succeeds.
He fails once with Georgios/Hans/Ushi/Blackbeard/Euryale but succeeds on the second try once he gets more used to the fight. That's EVEN MORE FREE.
He does a bunch more and then eventually I think he gets to using Ko-gil but who cares at that point, it's well proven out.
I have no idea why you're bringing up that they're max evolution and level. Of course they are. They're 3* Servants, it's super trivial to do so, especially if the supposed assertion is that you've been playing since launch.
If you're trying to say that you should be able to beat content easily with free to play Servants and yet don't want to put in the time to ascend and level them then just go play a different game and stop wasting everyone's time.
What you're supposed to be seeing is in the video, not watching for 2 seconds and not paying attention to try to justify another ignorance post.
Just make sure you are arguing the right thing, here. Having max ascended/leveled characters with high level skills has nothing to do with being FTP. I agree that I wouldn't expect most people to have that many high leveled skills, but maxing the levels of all the servants you are actually using is certainly doable for a relatively casual player who has been playing for a while.
Either way, I've always avoided watching videos of other people playing this game (outside of stuff like all-bronze teams or solo-Herc clearing some challenge quests). As someone who is very nearly free to play (and still doesn't have a single kaleidoscope on my Japanese account despite playing since close to when it launched), it's always kinda infuriating to see what other people have.
Even starting almost three hours in there was two hours of video left. I skipped to the end of setup for each team to see what he was using and equipping. I watched most of each attempt of the missions. When I saw he was going back to using 4-5 star things I just skimmed to check even team setup before I was done. Do you think watching three hours of a guy using things I don't have access to will help me somehow? I'm still not getting what benefit you feel I will get from watching this streamer you like.
I pumped all the experience and materials into the few 4-5 stars I've got. Most of which still aren't max level or evolution. I haven't bothered much with skills because none of the Servants I've got have game-changing skills I need to worry about upgrading.
How long have you been playing? This event is designed for players who have been at it for a while.
If you haven't been, this event isn't designed for you to beat it and it's understandable that it would be frustrating. If you have been, you should probably have a handful of max ascended servants.
But with my sporadic play I have gotten a fairly good group of high level servants, maybe not max but if I played everyday they would easily all be maxed.
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I have started much later than you, only have been doing the events semi seriously and this totally doesn't compute at all man. You must be doing something extremely wrong.
Didn't pay a single cent so far
This will be here until I receive an apology or Weedlordvegeta get any consequences for being a bully
I mean, yes, not everybody is going to get tip-top, most-beloved 5-stars, but if you're playing frequently, you're just not going to be completely devoid of strong servants, and there are lower tier servants who will fill the gaps even if you don't have an ace team. I'm not sure what the problem is.
I've been here since the first day. I was posting about it in I think the JRPG thread before it got the first thread. But I agree that this event isn't designed for me to beat it. And that's definitely why I'm frustrated by it, and by the general direction of the game as a whole.
Running the 40 AP thing once gives like...5-10 gold XP cards. You need to spend 20 to get 1-2 levels. So usually one full stamina bar of runs is one level for one Servant. And that's for levels between like 30-80. Above that it's like 30-40 cards for a level, it seems. And that's using the double XP ones.
It's not trivial at all.
I pumped every bit of XP into my 4-5 stars. Which take a ton to level. And still aren't even very useful because I didn't pull any of the actual good ones.
This will be here until I receive an apology or Weedlordvegeta get any consequences for being a bully
As for not having good gold servants, this game is such that you do not need "the best" servants to win. You can clear everything without a single gold servant. And even the worst gold servants are still very good.
I don't know what to tell you. It honestly seems like you're setting out to fail and getting upset when it happens. Such as not boosting skill levels, or deciding your gold servants are useless before actually getting them finished.
Sweeeeet
This will be here until I receive an apology or Weedlordvegeta get any consequences for being a bully
Plus Atalanta, Anne & Mary, Saber Lily and Stheno x 2 at level 1. All the other 1-3 stars I have are level 1. I believe I leveled those up there for events.
Looks like I've got 4 max level, and those are max Fou as well. Unfortunately not very good ones, and two that overlap, but one was my starting 5 star pull so? And I used Fous based on what type I received, then used the All types to finish them off. I think Herc has max Fou stats as well, but he's been fairly useless after being so hyped up so he just sits in the back of farming/story teams with Jeanne, soaking up Bond.
If I had the good Servants I could clear the hard content easier. I could also farm regular XP and materials easier, and farm events easier. Which would then make it easier to power up every other non-OP Servant I have as well. It would just make the entire game easier. And now they're building the game around assuming you've got the top 5 Servants, because that's who they're catering to, and they want to encourage everyone else to spend money to catch up. So I'm being left behind, like usual for these games.
You've been playing this game three or four months longer than I have, and yet, here I am with zero dollars invested in it, and judging from your posts, a lot less time invested in it, having none of these problems that you're so bitterly complaining about. It seems pretty apparent that the game is not the problem.
This will be here until I receive an apology or Weedlordvegeta get any consequences for being a bully
Those are some of the best gold servants in the game.
Get those servants leveled, and you'll be in top shape. Heck, the ones you have leveled already should be enough to beat most of the Prison Tower missions.
Scathach, Drake, Jeanne, Saber Alter, Heracles...
I didn't pull any of the good servants!
Are you a 5*?
Just to put Reynold's ridiculous bullshit into perspective, for today's quest, I used Fergus, Halloween Liz, Caster Cu, Saber Lily, and Santa Alter. So a 3*, and four charity servants.
So much for - :razz: :razz: :razz:
I guess on the bright side, I don't need to try and get Gorgon or Lobo later, because I definitely won't get Jalter
I didn't make anything up? That's what I see happening right now. It's how most F2P games work. You get a lot of free stuff at the very beginning, things are simple to ease you in. If you give them a ton of money (and sometimes time) it's also incredibly easy. But everyone in the middle on the time/money/luck chart is mostly screwed.
If you haven't been playing as long and also haven't spent any money, then you've been luckier. It's easy to figure that out.
They're not that great. And they're certainly not the best. The ones I have that are above average I don't really like or enjoy using, and the ones whose designs I like or I enjoy playing are even worse. It sucks.
I have leveled all of those. Each quest so far has been designed to make sure I can't really use them. Like making the floors go Lancer - Archer - Saber so any one of those I bring will get immediately annihilated and do no damage on the floor with the bad matchup. Or another having Assassin/Caster/Rider on the boss floor.
I use Altera and Drake for farming exp and that's about it. Altera needs a miracle to get her NP ready, so if I can't use Kaleidoscope or a friend to buff her gauge she's basically useless. Scathatch has the same problem, and only hits one enemy...so every once in a while there's an Archer boss to kill, and that's about it.
Jeanne does approximately zero damage and has two useless skills and one that'd be great if it ever worked. Her NP would be great if it didn't make her useless. And if she had some way to charge it without attacking for zero damage.
Herc and Lancelot have the same exact thing happen every time I use them: first turn they're out, they get zero cards and can't attack. All three enemies attack them and they die.
I haven't found much use for them. I only even bothered with Saber Alter for the event.
I didn't pull any of the ones that would be useful on basically every team and would make a huge difference in how I approach every single aspect of the game, from farming to bosses.
Edit: Having one of the actual top tier most useful 5 stars is better than having a bunch of 'good' 4 and 5 stars. Because I can't actually use a team of those five together and equip anything worth equipping. While having one of the amazing 5 stars and one amazing 5 star CE equipped can carry your entire team.
I'm really hoping I get Avenger. I don't even want to use him. I just really like the artist.
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So you only used those 3 and 4 stars to clear the Halloween and Christmas events? And to farm all the needed materials and XP? And you're using all FP CEs? Because the further you move away from just posting what Servants you used to clear one mission and actually explain how you got to the point that you were able to do that, the more it reinforces my point.
Learn 2 play kid. Check the CE list I mentioned for the previous quest.
Hasn't in any mobile game he's played thus far why start now?
Why would the information you've shared make me think anything else?
Even if when I get Jalter, I'll still pull heavy for Gorgon. Snek family needs to be complete.
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So you don't have Vlad and a Halloween gatcha only CE? And those are only the ones you posted about, I'm sure you've got other, better things that helped you to that point.
https://grandorder.gamepress.gg/5-star-tier-list
https://grandorder.gamepress.gg/4-star-tier-list
Usual disclaimers about Tier Lists in general apply (YMMV, use what you have, not even all 'high tier' Servants are useful in all situations) but it's probably broadly correct. (Remember that you can't use the current appmedia rankings and only filter out stuff because it'll be wildly wrong!)
They occupy pretty different niches. Dantes would be solid paired off with Jack because crits for daaaays, but Jalter's skill set is better. Determination of Steel is pretty nice though.
He's fine now, though. (And his animations are super slick.)
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It's not the biggest list.
All the Altrias and Mordreds
All the Eli-chans
All the Kiyos
Sumanai
Shuten Doji
There certainly are some decent Servants in there, though.
May want to lean on him for tomorrow, yeah. If you don't kill Amakusa by the time he NPs, you probably get blown up.
The 5 star one seems about right, at least.
Should I just burn a seal right out the gate and start Dantes in the back line so he makes it to the last fight without a scratch?