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    AroducAroduc regular
    edited May 2007
    EliteLamer wrote: »
    Aroduc wrote: »
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    EliteLamer wrote: »
    I also notice on cartoons how they have really turned away from cartoon violence and any mention of death.

    I am still pissed that no one was allowed to die in Batman.

    Turned away? There's more in it today than there ever was in the past. Hell... the original DC cartoons for Batman and/or the Justice League couldn't even show people punching eachother.


    What American cartoons has any in it at all?

    Do you not remember the insane backlash from Optimus Prime's death?

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    EliteLamerEliteLamer __BANNED USERS regular
    edited May 2007
    Damn Jem is bad, it was on for 3 years though.

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    EliteLamerEliteLamer __BANNED USERS regular
    edited May 2007
    Aroduc wrote: »
    EliteLamer wrote: »
    Aroduc wrote: »
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    EliteLamer wrote: »
    I also notice on cartoons how they have really turned away from cartoon violence and any mention of death.

    I am still pissed that no one was allowed to die in Batman.

    Turned away? There's more in it today than there ever was in the past. Hell... the original DC cartoons for Batman and/or the Justice League couldn't even show people punching eachother.


    What American cartoons has any in it at all?

    Do you not remember the insane backlash from Optimus Prime's death?

    I ment in the current line up.

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    Bad KittyBad Kitty Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    Aroduc wrote: »
    EliteLamer wrote: »
    Aroduc wrote: »
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    EliteLamer wrote: »
    I also notice on cartoons how they have really turned away from cartoon violence and any mention of death.

    I am still pissed that no one was allowed to die in Batman.

    Turned away? There's more in it today than there ever was in the past. Hell... the original DC cartoons for Batman and/or the Justice League couldn't even show people punching eachother.


    What American cartoons has any in it at all?

    Do you not remember the insane backlash from Optimus Prime's death?

    Wasn't that in the movie though? Movies get much more latitude.
    I remember Batman: Mask of the Phantasm was pretty violent. Much darker than the already somewhat dark B:TAS.

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    IncenjucarIncenjucar VChatter Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    edited May 2007
    EliteLamer wrote: »
    I ment in the current line up.

    Um. Have you -watched- any of them?

    Most cartoons I've seen on TV are based around violence.

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    EliteLamerEliteLamer __BANNED USERS regular
    edited May 2007
    Cartoon Network, Yeah..

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    IncenjucarIncenjucar VChatter Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    edited May 2007
    EliteLamer wrote: »
    Cartoon Network, Yeah..

    Or, like, any other Network.

    I don't -have- Cable.

    I can still access plenty of violence on Saturday mornings.

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    ZampanoZampano Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    Jinnigan wrote: »
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    Although I don't know if you can equate "occassionally viewing" with "being raised by". Someone who watches Pokemon every morning is going to be raised by it. Someone who once and a while stumbles across/is tricked into looking at shock sites isn't. Unless that person is actively seeking out that stuff.

    This is retarded, you're retarded. Simply because someone spends 30 minutes a day watching Pokemon in your youth doesn't mean when you grow up you're going to be all "gotta collect all these things!"

    Actually, that seems to have worked fairly well, given the fact that Diamond and Pearl sold a million copies in five days.

    And I don't believe that you can really be "raised" by the media, unless your parent's are extraordinarily neglectful. I was simply using the common phrase which just happens to be a hyperbole.

    You'll also notice that a lot of the people buying it are older people, too. Notice the fact the game's getting a lot of praise on these forums, even in the D&D chat thread. Irond Will - our 33-year-old mod - bought a copy.

    The game suckers in little children by getting lots of cute characters, and gets the older players by having solid, complex gameplay.

    Would you like to try again, sir?
    *Points to signiture*

    My qualm with the Pokemon series isn't really with its commercialism, because again, that's been there since day one of Saturday Morning Cartoons (I'm sure the Looney Toons had ties ins). What I object to is the quality of the program itself, which I see as being very low. Of all the examples mentioned so far, Pokemon may be the worst, because it has gone on for so long that any and all originality has been bled from it completely (along with quality voice actors, but that's another issue altogether).

    The show itself testifies to this, because it had decent beginnings. In the first season, the following took place:

    -Ash parted ways with his first captured Pokemon in a reletively earnest manner
    -Ash fought a nihilistic army sargeant who placed power over respect
    -The entire party was shrunk down and placed in a doll house by the whim of a cruel and capricious psychic
    -Ash had a chandalier dropped on him and died.

    It's not 24, but it has genuine peril, and featured some actual character development.

    In these latest seasons, there is no character development, no plot development, and no peril.

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    IncenjucarIncenjucar VChatter Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    edited May 2007
    I'm still wondering about Ash's father, man, to this day.

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    TehSpectreTehSpectre Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    Incenjucar wrote: »
    I'm still wondering about Ash's father, man, to this day.
    Mr. Mime.

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    ZampanoZampano Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    TehSpectre wrote: »
    Incenjucar wrote: »
    I'm still wondering about Ash's father, man, to this day.
    Mr. Mime.
    Giovanni.

    For realz.

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    FyreWulffFyreWulff YouRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited May 2007
    All I remember about Pirates of Dark Water was that they ran the same episode over and over again for like 5 months before taking it off the air.
    CN even joked about how badly the show re-ran when they had the "Ask Cartoon Network" segment. The question was "What happened to the last episodes of Pirates of Dark Water?

    Announcer goes "Well, we have them right here! *episode begins to play*

    *all of a sudden, cat lapping up milk

    Announcer: Okay, who taped over the episodes?

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    Psycho Internet HawkPsycho Internet Hawk Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    Zampano wrote: »
    pokemon pokemon pokemon

    I don't think very many people watched Pokemon because of Ash and crew. Most people I knew watched it because of the actual Pokemon.

    I would also imagine it's far cheaper for a U.S. network to get the license to show an anime and translate and dub it, rather than do the whole show from scratch.

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    JragghenJragghen Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    Jinnigan wrote: »
    EliteLamer wrote: »
    Aroduc wrote: »
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    EliteLamer wrote: »
    I also notice on cartoons how they have really turned away from cartoon violence and any mention of death.

    I am still pissed that no one was allowed to die in Batman.

    Turned away? There's more in it today than there ever was in the past. Hell... the original DC cartoons for Batman and/or the Justice League couldn't even show people punching eachother.


    What American cartoons has any in it at all?

    What Japanese kids show targetted to the 12 and under has much violence?

    One Piece? Yes, no one dies, but I mean...one of the storylines does involve a person being coated in their own blood just so they can hit the bad guy.

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    CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    Jragghen wrote: »
    Jinnigan wrote: »
    EliteLamer wrote: »
    Aroduc wrote: »
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    EliteLamer wrote: »
    I also notice on cartoons how they have really turned away from cartoon violence and any mention of death.

    I am still pissed that no one was allowed to die in Batman.

    Turned away? There's more in it today than there ever was in the past. Hell... the original DC cartoons for Batman and/or the Justice League couldn't even show people punching eachother.


    What American cartoons has any in it at all?

    What Japanese kids show targetted to the 12 and under has much violence?

    One Piece? Yes, no one dies, but I mean...one of the storylines does involve a person being coated in their own blood just so they can hit the bad guy.
    I thought that was aimed at the younger teen crowd that enjoyed DBZ?

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    JragghenJragghen Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    titmouse wrote: »
    Jragghen wrote: »
    Jinnigan wrote: »
    EliteLamer wrote: »
    Aroduc wrote: »
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    EliteLamer wrote: »
    I also notice on cartoons how they have really turned away from cartoon violence and any mention of death.

    I am still pissed that no one was allowed to die in Batman.

    Turned away? There's more in it today than there ever was in the past. Hell... the original DC cartoons for Batman and/or the Justice League couldn't even show people punching eachother.


    What American cartoons has any in it at all?

    What Japanese kids show targetted to the 12 and under has much violence?

    One Piece? Yes, no one dies, but I mean...one of the storylines does involve a person being coated in their own blood just so they can hit the bad guy.
    I thought that was aimed at the younger teen crowd that enjoyed DBZ?

    I'm not Japanese, so I don't really know the target demographic. That's just the impression that I get.

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    EliteLamerEliteLamer __BANNED USERS regular
    edited May 2007
    FyreWulff wrote: »
    All I remember about Pirates of Dark Water was that they ran the same episode over and over again for like 5 months before taking it off the air.
    CN even joked about how badly the show re-ran when they had the "Ask Cartoon Network" segment. The question was "What happened to the last episodes of Pirates of Dark Water?

    Announcer goes "Well, we have them right here! *episode begins to play*

    *all of a sudden, cat lapping up milk

    Announcer: Okay, who taped over the episodes?

    Oh I was wrong they released 5 episodes the first season then 8 the next and 8 again for the last.

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    ZampanoZampano Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    I don't think that One Piece is intended for the audiance it is being presented to in the US. If it is, then Japanese culture in this regard is even more askew from American culture than we realize.

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    IncenjucarIncenjucar VChatter Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    edited May 2007
    Zampano wrote: »
    TehSpectre wrote: »
    Incenjucar wrote: »
    I'm still wondering about Ash's father, man, to this day.
    Mr. Mime.
    Giovanni.

    For realz.

    Oh I figured that out early on.

    But I never heard of it being actually -part of the show-.

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    ZampanoZampano Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    Incenjucar wrote: »
    Zampano wrote: »
    TehSpectre wrote: »
    Incenjucar wrote: »
    I'm still wondering about Ash's father, man, to this day.
    Mr. Mime.
    Giovanni.

    For realz.

    Oh I figured that out early on.

    But I never heard of it being actually -part of the show-.
    I don't think it was canonized, but it's everyone's favorite theory.

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    IncenjucarIncenjucar VChatter Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    edited May 2007
    Zampano wrote: »
    Incenjucar wrote: »
    Zampano wrote: »
    TehSpectre wrote: »
    Incenjucar wrote: »
    I'm still wondering about Ash's father, man, to this day.
    Mr. Mime.
    Giovanni.

    For realz.

    Oh I figured that out early on.

    But I never heard of it being actually -part of the show-.
    I don't think it was canonized, but it's everyone's favorite theory.

    It's pretty much instinctual. But man, I really wanted the show to actually address it.

    The story could have been so good for a show about multi-species cockfighting.

    --

    Ash could be the Luke to Geovanni's Vader, I tells you.

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    Bloods EndBloods End Blade of Tyshalle Punch dimensionRegistered User regular
    edited May 2007
    There are some good cartoons still around. People have already mentioned Avatar, and the new TMNT cartoon kicks ass, and Spongebob and Fairly Oddparents are really good.

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    edited May 2007
    Spongebob is about as enjoyable as teabagging a glacial sulfuric acid bath.

    What we need is more kid's shows like Invader Zim.

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    IncenjucarIncenjucar VChatter Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    edited May 2007
    Feral wrote: »
    What we need is more kid's shows like Invader Zim.

    I need to rent the rest of that.

    I just rented the first set a few weekends ago.

    Any kids show where someone has their eyes ripped out and it's -horribly painful- is A-Okay in my book.

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    Bionic MonkeyBionic Monkey Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited May 2007
    Aroduc wrote: »
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    EliteLamer wrote: »
    I also notice on cartoons how they have really turned away from cartoon violence and any mention of death.

    I am still pissed that no one was allowed to die in Batman.

    Turned away? There's more in it today than there ever was in the past. Hell... the original DC cartoons for Batman and/or the Justice League couldn't even show people punching eachother.

    I assume you're talking about the 70's series'? Because the recent DCAU most certainly does.

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    edited May 2007
    Incenjucar wrote: »
    Feral wrote: »
    What we need is more kid's shows like Invader Zim.

    I need to rent the rest of that.

    I just rented the first set a few weekends ago.

    Any kids show where someone has their eyes ripped out and it's -horribly painful- is A-Okay in my book.

    It goes downhill after the first disc, sadly.
    There are still good episodes (Tak the Hideous New Girl <3<3<3) but they really blew their wad at the beginning.

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    every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.

    the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
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    Bloods EndBloods End Blade of Tyshalle Punch dimensionRegistered User regular
    edited May 2007
    Feral wrote: »
    Spongebob is about as enjoyable as teabagging a glacial sulfuric acid bath.

    What we need is more kid's shows like Invader Zim.

    Any cartoon that features Pantera in it is awesome you heathen.

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    IncenjucarIncenjucar VChatter Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    edited May 2007
    Feral wrote: »
    Incenjucar wrote: »
    Feral wrote: »
    What we need is more kid's shows like Invader Zim.

    I need to rent the rest of that.

    I just rented the first set a few weekends ago.

    Any kids show where someone has their eyes ripped out and it's -horribly painful- is A-Okay in my book.

    It goes downhill after the first disc, sadly.
    There are still good episodes (Tak the Hideous New Girl <3<3<3) but they really blew their wad at the beginning.

    Aw.

    They need to do more American cartoons as mini-series.

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    Bionic MonkeyBionic Monkey Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited May 2007
    Feral wrote: »
    Incenjucar wrote: »
    Feral wrote: »
    What we need is more kid's shows like Invader Zim.

    I need to rent the rest of that.

    I just rented the first set a few weekends ago.

    Any kids show where someone has their eyes ripped out and it's -horribly painful- is A-Okay in my book.

    It goes downhill after the first disc, sadly.
    There are still good episodes (Tak the Hideous New Girl <3<3<3) but they really blew their wad at the beginning.

    To be fair, that was Nickelodeon digging their iron claws of suck into it, rather than Vasquez's doing. Though all three sets are still very much worth viewing.

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    areaarea Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    Bloods End wrote: »
    There are some good cartoons still around. People have already mentioned Avatar, and the new TMNT cartoon kicks ass, and Spongebob and Fairly Oddparents are really good.

    I love both Avatar and Fairly Oddparents. When's Avatar Season 3 being aired? I've not heard anything about it.

    Fairly OddParents has been picked up again by Nick for another 20 episodes after being cancelled for a year or so, in case anyone didn't know. Which is excellent news.

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    JragghenJragghen Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    For kids shows, I've never watched it, but I could see a younger form of myself being obsessed with Danny Phantom.

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    CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    Who else loved Angry Beavers?

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    MasterDebaterMasterDebater Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    titmouse wrote: »
    Who else loved Angry Beavers?

    I remember it as decent enough.

    Hey Arnold was better, though, and Rocko's Modern Life far superior to either.

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    ronzoronzo Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    I like Fosters. I know its not traditional animation and such, but i still find it entertaining.

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    PataPata Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    Jragghen wrote: »
    For kids shows, I've never watched it, but I could see a younger form of myself being obsessed with Danny Phantom.

    It's an enjoyable show.

    I like it. It's fun.

    And Fosters is awesome.

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    BubbaTBubbaT Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    Aroduc wrote: »
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    EliteLamer wrote: »
    I also notice on cartoons how they have really turned away from cartoon violence and any mention of death.

    I am still pissed that no one was allowed to die in Batman.

    Turned away? There's more in it today than there ever was in the past. Hell... the original DC cartoons for Batman and/or the Justice League couldn't even show people punching eachother.

    I assume you're talking about the 70's series'? Because the recent DCAU most certainly does.

    Timm's Superman:TAS had a guy figure out Superman=Clark Kent right as he died in a gas chamber.

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    tyrannustyrannus i am not fat Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    <3 Freakazoid.

    I'M GONNA NEED MORE ROPE.

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    muninnmuninn Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    Old (90s) Spidey cartoon was cool. And beast-wars. That one, surprisingly, had plot.

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    LanzLanz ...Za?Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    Incenjucar wrote: »
    Zampano wrote: »
    Incenjucar wrote: »
    Zampano wrote: »
    TehSpectre wrote: »
    Incenjucar wrote: »
    I'm still wondering about Ash's father, man, to this day.
    Mr. Mime.
    Giovanni.

    For realz.

    Oh I figured that out early on.

    But I never heard of it being actually -part of the show-.
    I don't think it was canonized, but it's everyone's favorite theory.

    It's pretty much instinctual. But man, I really wanted the show to actually address it.

    The story could have been so good for a show about multi-species cockfighting.

    --

    Ash could be the Luke to Geovanni's Vader, I tells you.

    IIRC, there's supposed to be something about Ash's father and grandfather in one of the Japanese radio drama things

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    LanzLanz ...Za?Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    Rentilius wrote: »
    <3 Freakazoid.

    I'M GONNA NEED MORE ROPE.

    what do you mean?

    Candle Jack's no where around here.


    I mean, why would you need mor-

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