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Yes. It is. It’s quite literally talking about it but not doing anything about the practice in modern times. (IE the loot box video)
No I am suggesting that they maybe use their influence for more modern things that actually matter... like loot boxes.
Like... maybe they could have said things about loot boxes that might mobilize people.
Or maybe talk about current conditions in the game industry
They already have done that latter part. Many, many times. Have you watched their earlier videos? They even managed to get a congressman to host one of their episodes during the earliest fight for net neutrality.
A. Literal. Congressman.
I understand you guys don’t like loot boxes.
That’s fine.
But don’t let your hate over this one issue make you start fabricating nonsense.
Unless the lip service accusation was lip service about research, you're not making the point you think you are.
It's not even that damning of a thing, and is basically typical human behavior and rather banal. People just put EC on a pedestal and allowed themselves to be shocked that they're mostly just effective communicators instead of thought leaders.
tl;dr of the video: Wolfenstein rules because it's actually willing to go there RE: saying Nazis and Nazism fucking sucks. Whereas Call of Duty won't go there an the closest they've gotten is showing an empty concentration camp.
Edit - I'd bring up Far Cry 5 in this conversation. Ubisoft, a Triple-A publisher, was too scared to go there on a political topic. They were more than happy to abuse the marketing given what's been going on across several 'first-world' nations though. Screw them!
Embracing controversy in adverticing, but not daring to say anything during story or gameplay.
If you want a game that has something to say you should try Mafia 3
*Sinks back into the swamp*
I always knew this in a general sense, but Extra History has been helping to give specific examples about how Europe wasn't exactly great at advancing human civilization. Africa, the Middle East, and Asia were all doing quite a bit as far as expanding diplomacy & education goes. Christian Europe was doing jack shit for some hundreds of years. And then in the 1700s you get the hyper corrupt capitalist practices.
They do do their best to be woke about things, and you have to appreciate that. It helps that their audience includes a lot of people who are tired of the Eurocentric version of history.
Well, calling it jack shit is bit harsh.
There were plenty of small strides taken, especially in fields of metallurgy (which was then immediately used to build a better spear to stab your neighbour with.)
But yeah, there was ton of interesting stuff going on all over the world that gets ignored.
Saying "Europe was doing jack shit for some hundreds of years" is exactly the same kind of silliness as saying "Africa was doing jack shit for some hundreds of years" or similar.
I keep thinking that it's less of a lack of sources and more that oral history is looked down on much more than written history.
Even scribed oral history gets more credence than oral history.
But yes, large part is that europeans just did not give a shit about what all those "not europeans" might have thought, done or heard.
Despite being labeled as a parody, it seems less like the guy is making fun of them and more like he's just using their format to talk about a subject he's interested in (he brings up some good points about children's movies). There's also this video:
This one leans more on the "making fun of them" side of parodies. It made me chuckle a few times, but it's rather awkward since it uses audio clips from the show, just cut up and rearranged to say different things (so if you don't like how the voice sounds normally, this is probably worse).
By the way, I'm sure most of you are familiar with Jim Sterling's response to EC's lootbox videos, but in my search, I also found appabend; admittedly, his channel might need its own thread, but he did a pretty good deconstruction on EC's video comparing Yakuza 0 with Persona 5 (which I found interesting because it wasn't about the lootbox videos, and because I haven't played Persona 5 myself):
With that said, as a user on The Escapist pointed out, appabend does throw in the occasional personal attack, so the video comes across less as a professional response and more as an emotional reaction, but there are still some pretty good points made in the video.
Any thoughts on these videos? Any other responses to Extra Credits that are worth checking out? Maybe this could spark a bit more EC discussion before their next video is uploaded.
Yeah.... yeah I want that 11:36 of my life back.
“If you want this scene to be different because ‘OMG non-consensual strip’ is triggering you than make your own game”
“Thanks to your questionable bias on rape victims or non-consensual sexual activities in general you treat this scene as horrible, deplorable, and sinful all because Ann didn’t want to do it” “because she was pressured to do it” “You only care because she doesn’t consent to it”
What the fuck, response man? What is it about consent that drives you wild? How are they “moral guardians” for talking about it?
“The protagonist didn’t consent to be treated like a criminal but you’re concerned about Ann being made to non-consensually strip”
That’s not even the same ballpark.
Also EC’s voice is still annoying even though I’m defending them. Noah Caldwell-Gervais, Lindsay Ellis, Dan Olson, Errant Signal Man, and other video essayists don’t have it. His voice sounds like it would be fine without the modulation.
If you want to hear his voice without the modulation, Dan Floyd has an LP for Dark Souls 1-3 under the header "Extra Play." It's a fine voice...nothing spectacular or grating about it.
EDIT: Like I wrote in the Escapist thread, I guess part of the reason I felt better toward that video is because it's better produced than some of the other response videos I saw and because he goes into more detail on what goes on in the Persona 5 chapter to help explain his points (because, like I said, I haven't played that game and didn't know those things).
Some people really have an ax to grind with them after their loot box series. Personally, ehh...whatever. If there's an interesting topic they're covering, I'm fine with the bumps (stupid Youtube algorithms are screwing with my recommended vids)
EDIT: Possibly that sounds overly harsh. Other threads for TV shows are mostly discussions of latest episodes, after all, but what we want to avoid is one person continually bumping the thread with every new episode. Also gross videos that aren't Extra Credits that whine about consent, I guess.
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I think he's said he did the voice thing to basically compress the video time for when youtube was stricter about that kind of thing, but now it's what most of the audience expects and he's experimented with just going to his regular voice for the extra credits stuff but the response from the audience is that now that this has been the voice of things for so long they find it somewhat weird to hear his regular voice, so they decided to just go with it.
He compressed it originally because the project was started as a series of class presentations Dan was doing for his classes at SCAD, and he had to fit under a time-limit. He posted them on YouTube to see if there would be any interest in a series, which caught the eye of James Portnow, and then we got Extra Credits.
Here's the first one he did waaaaay back in 2008
I see what you mean, but to be fair, those bumps *have* lead to more discussion so far, and the users doing the bumping have had something to say about EC's new episode each time, so it's not like they're bumping just for the sake of it (at least, that's how it came across to me; if I'm wrong, I'll shut up again).
He just announced on today's episode he's leaving the show. I am sad.
Nooooooooooooooooo!
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