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[Movies] Fantastic Beasts, guest starring Xenomorphs

Harry DresdenHarry Dresden Registered User regular
edited September 2018 in Debate and/or Discourse
Movies. Hollywood has made them for a very long time, as well as other places over the world.

We live in the not so new era of the remake and the sequel, which has made people assume this is new but it really isn't.

Scarface, for instance, is a remake of a film made in 1932!



Look what's happening here, Carpenter has returned to Halloween! Pretend every other movie doesn't exist, of course.



and the Jurassic Park franchise refuses to die.



For those interested in horror this arrived and it is excellent.



Oh yeah, Bogart wants you to know that old movies are superior to new ones.

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  • AtomikaAtomika not a robot. does not eat bugs!Registered User regular
    I’m going to try to be a part of this thread, if for nothing else than a therapeutic exercise. I’ve missed the last two or three threads because . . . well . . my life kinda fell apart and instead of liking things anymore I fell into an anhedonic malaise. I barely saw any movies in the last two years, and watched almost no TV. I also read exactly zero books. I did, however, lay in bed a lot and fill the rest of my time just working as much as I could, often doing 50-60 hours a week just so I wouldn’t have to think about anything else, until I had a breakdown from stress.

    It’s been a bit, but I’m starting to remember there were things I used to like, and talking about movies was high on that list, as was actually seeing them in the first place. I want to get back there.

    So, uh, . . . hi.

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  • ThirithThirith Registered User regular
    Sorry to hear that things have been shit, Atomika. Fingers crossed they'll look up soon - and you being around more often is definitely a plus in my books.

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  • jungleroomxjungleroomx Spicy Rudolph Registered User regular
    Atomika wrote: »
    I’m going to try to be a part of this thread, if for nothing else than a therapeutic exercise. I’ve missed the last two or three threads because . . . well . . my life kinda fell apart and instead of liking things anymore I fell into an anhedonic malaise. I barely saw any movies in the last two years, and watched almost no TV. I also read exactly zero books. I did, however, lay in bed a lot and fill the rest of my time just working as much as I could, often doing 50-60 hours a week just so I wouldn’t have to think about anything else, until I had a breakdown from stress.

    It’s been a bit, but I’m starting to remember there were things I used to like, and talking about movies was high on that list, as was actually seeing them in the first place. I want to get back there.

    So, uh, . . . hi.

    Welcome back.

    Now let's go see Hereditary!

    Make. Time.
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  • RamiRami Registered User regular
    Glad to see the plot of the new JP is the same as the previous one.

    We genetically engineered a super dinosaur and oh it escaped

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  • emnmnmeemnmnme Heard about this on conservative radio:Registered User regular
    Rami wrote: »
    Glad to see the plot of the new JP is the same as the previous one.

    We genetically engineered a super dinosaur and oh it escaped

    Would you rather have a Jurassic Park movie where no dinosaurs escaped and nothing went wrong?

  • BogartBogart Because I hate you Registered User, Moderator mod
    Is the option of no more Jurassic Park movies on the table?

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  • AtomikaAtomika not a robot. does not eat bugs!Registered User regular
    Atomika wrote: »
    I’m going to try to be a part of this thread, if for nothing else than a therapeutic exercise. I’ve missed the last two or three threads because . . . well . . my life kinda fell apart and instead of liking things anymore I fell into an anhedonic malaise. I barely saw any movies in the last two years, and watched almost no TV. I also read exactly zero books. I did, however, lay in bed a lot and fill the rest of my time just working as much as I could, often doing 50-60 hours a week just so I wouldn’t have to think about anything else, until I had a breakdown from stress.

    It’s been a bit, but I’m starting to remember there were things I used to like, and talking about movies was high on that list, as was actually seeing them in the first place. I want to get back there.

    So, uh, . . . hi.

    Welcome back.

    Now let's go see Hereditary!

    I don’t normally go in for horror, but I’ve heard nothing but good things :)

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  • FrozenzenFrozenzen Registered User regular
    emnmnme wrote: »
    Rami wrote: »
    Glad to see the plot of the new JP is the same as the previous one.

    We genetically engineered a super dinosaur and oh it escaped

    Would you rather have a Jurassic Park movie where no dinosaurs escaped and nothing went wrong?

    It would be a novel experience at least. Just having the dinosaur park as a backdrop to something completely different.

    The movie would of course constantly hint about the park breaking down in the background, but competent and efficient employees would always stop it without much fuss!

    Alternatively stop making them, but that option seems unfeasible.

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  • reVersereVerse Registered User regular
    Jurassic World should've been a straight up zombie apocalypse movie, except with dinosaurs.

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  • FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    edited June 2018
    reVerse wrote: »
    Jurassic World should've been a straight up zombie apocalypse movie, except with dinosaurs.

    An actual explanation for different enemy types!

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  • MuzzmuzzMuzzmuzz Registered User regular
    edited June 2018
    I want a Jurassic Park spin off like the one I dreamt one night:

    Thousands of years in the future, humanity has made itself extinct, and a group of scientific aliens arrive on earth, find some human blood in amber, and begin to clone humans.


    Which of course, due to them thinking that the humans are 'primitive', forget to take proper precautions, and the humans break out, killing nearly everyone.

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  • nexuscrawlernexuscrawler Registered User regular
    Muzzmuzz wrote: »
    I want a Jurassic Park spin off like the one I dreamt one night:

    Thousands of years in the future, humanity has made itself extinct, and a group of scientific aliens arrive on earth, find some human blood in amber, and begin to clone humans.


    Which of course, due to them thinking that the humans are 'primitive', forget to take proper precautions, and the humans break out, killing nearly everyone.

    So planet of the apes with dinosaurs ?

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  • jungleroomxjungleroomx Spicy Rudolph Registered User regular
    Atomika wrote: »
    Atomika wrote: »
    I’m going to try to be a part of this thread, if for nothing else than a therapeutic exercise. I’ve missed the last two or three threads because . . . well . . my life kinda fell apart and instead of liking things anymore I fell into an anhedonic malaise. I barely saw any movies in the last two years, and watched almost no TV. I also read exactly zero books. I did, however, lay in bed a lot and fill the rest of my time just working as much as I could, often doing 50-60 hours a week just so I wouldn’t have to think about anything else, until I had a breakdown from stress.

    It’s been a bit, but I’m starting to remember there were things I used to like, and talking about movies was high on that list, as was actually seeing them in the first place. I want to get back there.

    So, uh, . . . hi.

    Welcome back.

    Now let's go see Hereditary!

    I don’t normally go in for horror, but I’ve heard nothing but good things :)

    I just usually associate horror with bad movies.

    Granted, we've gotten A Quiet Place and (to some degree of horror) Get Out!, which have been kind of revelatory for the genre as of late.

    I feel like horror done well is probably the most emotionally evocative of all film genres.

    Make. Time.
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  • Casually HardcoreCasually Hardcore Once an Asshole. Trying to be better. Registered User regular
    edited June 2018
    Saw hereditary. Outside of this teenager couple that kept talking until I 'shush' them and then they left the theater, it is easily one if the best film I've seen this year.

    Seriously, why do people spend $14 a ticket and talk throughout the whole movie? Fucking rent a movie.

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  • jungleroomxjungleroomx Spicy Rudolph Registered User regular
    Saw hereditary. Outside of this teenager couple that kept talking until I 'shush' them and then they left the theater, it is easily one if the best film I've seen this year.

    Seriously, why do people spend $14 a ticket and talk throughout the whole movie? Fucking rent a movie.

    Teenagers are assholes.

    Make. Time.
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  • Styrofoam SammichStyrofoam Sammich WANT. 5386-8443-8937Registered User regular
    Atomika wrote: »
    Atomika wrote: »
    I’m going to try to be a part of this thread, if for nothing else than a therapeutic exercise. I’ve missed the last two or three threads because . . . well . . my life kinda fell apart and instead of liking things anymore I fell into an anhedonic malaise. I barely saw any movies in the last two years, and watched almost no TV. I also read exactly zero books. I did, however, lay in bed a lot and fill the rest of my time just working as much as I could, often doing 50-60 hours a week just so I wouldn’t have to think about anything else, until I had a breakdown from stress.

    It’s been a bit, but I’m starting to remember there were things I used to like, and talking about movies was high on that list, as was actually seeing them in the first place. I want to get back there.

    So, uh, . . . hi.

    Welcome back.

    Now let's go see Hereditary!

    I don’t normally go in for horror, but I’ve heard nothing but good things :)

    I just usually associate horror with bad movies.

    Granted, we've gotten A Quiet Place and (to some degree of horror) Get Out!, which have been kind of revelatory for the genre as of late.

    I feel like horror done well is probably the most emotionally evocative of all film genres.

    Its sad because the genre has so much to offer that's underutilized.

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  • italianranmaitalianranma Registered User regular
    edited June 2018
    Anyone have any opinions on the Director's Cut of The Watchmen as opposed to the theatrical or ultimate cut?

    Edit: in the sense that I'm going to buy a Blu-ray for my movie collection.

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  • Corporal CarlCorporal Carl Registered User regular
    I saw Wolf Warrior 2 on Netflix (it’s one of the biggest grossing movies ever) and while it is as much propaganda as the Rambo movies in the 80s, man, it is one spectactular action movie.

    OK, some CGI effects are dodgy, but the beginning underwater fight and the final fight are amazing.

    And the lead (who is also the director) is charismatic as hell :biggrin:

    It also must have the highest innocent civilian death count ever :eek:. Yup, the Bad Guys are really Evil.

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  • Dark Raven XDark Raven X Laugh hard, run fast, be kindRegistered User regular
    Th only difference between Director's Cut and Ultimate IIRC is that the Tales of the Black Freighter cartoon is cut up and sprinkled throughout, in a bid to be more true to the comic. It didn't work so good, the transitions are weird, there's no real thematic cohesion to when they show up. DC is best, IMO!

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  • Casual EddyCasual Eddy Don't despair. Not even over the fact that you don't despair.Registered User regular
    Atomika wrote: »
    Atomika wrote: »
    I’m going to try to be a part of this thread, if for nothing else than a therapeutic exercise. I’ve missed the last two or three threads because . . . well . . my life kinda fell apart and instead of liking things anymore I fell into an anhedonic malaise. I barely saw any movies in the last two years, and watched almost no TV. I also read exactly zero books. I did, however, lay in bed a lot and fill the rest of my time just working as much as I could, often doing 50-60 hours a week just so I wouldn’t have to think about anything else, until I had a breakdown from stress.

    It’s been a bit, but I’m starting to remember there were things I used to like, and talking about movies was high on that list, as was actually seeing them in the first place. I want to get back there.

    So, uh, . . . hi.

    Welcome back.

    Now let's go see Hereditary!

    I don’t normally go in for horror, but I’ve heard nothing but good things :)

    I just usually associate horror with bad movies.

    Granted, we've gotten A Quiet Place and (to some degree of horror) Get Out!, which have been kind of revelatory for the genre as of late.

    I feel like horror done well is probably the most emotionally evocative of all film genres.

    Get Out, it follows, and hereditary have been some spectacular recent horror movies. The genre has been revitalized somewhat, to my delight and horror! My personal, completely unfounded theory is The Ring reminded people horror movies could have great production values and excellent acting.

    I think most people would put the babadook in that list too but I didn’t enjoy it as much as most people

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  • jungleroomxjungleroomx Spicy Rudolph Registered User regular
    Atomika wrote: »
    Atomika wrote: »
    I’m going to try to be a part of this thread, if for nothing else than a therapeutic exercise. I’ve missed the last two or three threads because . . . well . . my life kinda fell apart and instead of liking things anymore I fell into an anhedonic malaise. I barely saw any movies in the last two years, and watched almost no TV. I also read exactly zero books. I did, however, lay in bed a lot and fill the rest of my time just working as much as I could, often doing 50-60 hours a week just so I wouldn’t have to think about anything else, until I had a breakdown from stress.

    It’s been a bit, but I’m starting to remember there were things I used to like, and talking about movies was high on that list, as was actually seeing them in the first place. I want to get back there.

    So, uh, . . . hi.

    Welcome back.

    Now let's go see Hereditary!

    I don’t normally go in for horror, but I’ve heard nothing but good things :)

    I just usually associate horror with bad movies.

    Granted, we've gotten A Quiet Place and (to some degree of horror) Get Out!, which have been kind of revelatory for the genre as of late.

    I feel like horror done well is probably the most emotionally evocative of all film genres.

    Get Out, it follows, and hereditary have been some spectacular recent horror movies. The genre has been revitalized somewhat, to my delight and horror! My personal, completely unfounded theory is The Ring reminded people horror movies could have great production values and excellent acting.

    I think most people would put the babadook in that list too but I didn’t enjoy it as much as most people

    Well, I think the people who were inspired by The Ring realized this and grew up to give us some good films. The moviemakers at the time just saw "OH JAPANESE HORROR AND A WEIRD KID OKAY" and proceeded to make a ton of shit (Except the Grudge, which was terrifying to me for reasons I can't articulate) because it's kinda like The Ring so it should work!

    Make. Time.
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  • nexuscrawlernexuscrawler Registered User regular
    We also seem to be mostly over torture porn as horror

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  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    Yeah thank god that whole style ended. Like just gross out torture stuff is not really horror its shock value.

    I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.

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  • SadgasmSadgasm Deluded doodler A cold placeRegistered User regular
    We also seem to be mostly over torture porn as horror

    Why was that even a thing? Slashers I got, you go to watch dumbass teenagers get killed, and the gore was actually pretty mild for the most part (except in Italy, those people have problems). But who sees a poster for the SAW movies or Hostel and decides that watching someone get castrated on screen sounds like a good use of an afternoon?

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  • nexuscrawlernexuscrawler Registered User regular
    all it takes is one successful movie of a type to spawn a mini genre that lasts 5-10 years

    Saw made tons of money off zero budget

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  • JRoseyJRosey SeattleRegistered User regular
    edited June 2018
    Hereditary is a slow, methodical burn through a family's inability to cope with loss that has deadly results. Did you enjoy The VVitch? Have you seen a horror film produced before 1982? Then Hereditary is for you. Scenes are set and then released into the camera, given all the time they need to breathe their stench of decay. The camera wanders through halls, sometimes stopping at an exterior window to ponder what life must be like outside these bleak walls. Characters are aware of the horror that is impending upon them, they feel the cold edge creeping into their once normal lives. Questions rise and fall and the answers may leave some unsatisfied, but the slog to discovery is an emotionally draining one. Hereditary is horror of old - disturbing and unsettling, clinging to you on the long drive home from the theater.

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  • MalReynoldsMalReynolds The Hunter S Thompson of incredibly mild medicines Registered User regular
    This is driving me crazy and I need some assistance from the good movie folks here:

    Upgrade spoiler, and question, CW violence.
    In the movie, someone gets stabbed through the hand and then uses the knife, while still stabbed through the hand, as a weapon.

    And I know I've seen that before but for the life of me, I can't place it.

    Does anyone remember a similar scene, and if so, what movie or TV show?

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  • shoeboxjeddyshoeboxjeddy Registered User regular
    Deadpool maybe?

  • emnmnmeemnmnme Heard about this on conservative radio:Registered User regular
    all it takes is one successful movie of a type to spawn a mini genre that lasts 5-10 years

    Saw made tons of money off zero budget

    Yes, and we had 50 ghost movies for a few years following Paranormal Activity.

  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    This is driving me crazy and I need some assistance from the good movie folks here:

    Upgrade spoiler, and question, CW violence.
    In the movie, someone gets stabbed through the hand and then uses the knife, while still stabbed through the hand, as a weapon.

    And I know I've seen that before but for the life of me, I can't place it.

    Does anyone remember a similar scene, and if so, what movie or TV show?

    Could be thinking of Izombie I think something like that happened in season 1.

    I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.

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  • PaladinPaladin Registered User regular
    Sadgasm wrote: »
    We also seem to be mostly over torture porn as horror

    Why was that even a thing? Slashers I got, you go to watch dumbass teenagers get killed, and the gore was actually pretty mild for the most part (except in Italy, those people have problems). But who sees a poster for the SAW movies or Hostel and decides that watching someone get castrated on screen sounds like a good use of an afternoon?

    Novelty is a potent driver of ticket sales. Show people something they haven't seen before or in a while and occasionally you'll strike gold.

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  • doomybeardoomybear Hi People Registered User regular
    I saw Upgrade! It is good. Fun action choreography, lands the humor, well used moments of gore, and good execution on the (albeit a bit predictable) plot.

    what a happy day it is
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  • MalReynoldsMalReynolds The Hunter S Thompson of incredibly mild medicines Registered User regular
    doomybear wrote: »
    I saw Upgrade! It is good. Fun action choreography, lands the humor, well used moments of gore, and good execution on the (albeit a bit predictable) plot.

    I was talking to a friend after seeing it again and I was a little hung up (still) on Logan Marshall Green's speech pattern choice in the film, but I came around on it more this time, and he plays the physicality of a person not in control of their own body and the mechanical nature of it so well.

    That movie really delivered in a way I wasn't expecting and there's a fair bit more foreshadowing and clever wordplay than I gave the script credit for upon first viewing.

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  • cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Regent Chantry of NightmaresRegistered User regular
    My father showed me Total Recall(the OG of course), and wow, that is one thoroughly twisted film.
    Imagine my surprise when I saw Paul Verhoeven's name.


    And for some reason I watched 50 Shades of Grey.

    Yeesh, that escalated quickly. It actually is really well made, despite the questionable source material. (See also: Twilight)
    The contract scene in particular was well edited.

    I think the two films also have another thing in common: ditching a very talented director due to creative differences prior to making the sequels.

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  • Dark Raven XDark Raven X Laugh hard, run fast, be kindRegistered User regular
    Sadgasm wrote: »
    We also seem to be mostly over torture porn as horror

    Why was that even a thing? Slashers I got, you go to watch dumbass teenagers get killed, and the gore was actually pretty mild for the most part (except in Italy, those people have problems). But who sees a poster for the SAW movies or Hostel and decides that watching someone get castrated on screen sounds like a good use of an afternoon?

    As a fan of the Saw franchise! I was mostly in it for the plot twists. They're often deviously clever. They're gross and fun and remarkably well crafted given they cranked em out year after year with no downtime in between. 7/3D is trash dreck, but otherwise they're a good time.

    On the other end of the horror spectrum I just watched Hereditary and it was rull gud.

    Oh brilliant
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  • JazzJazz UKRegistered User regular
    cj iwakura wrote: »
    My father showed me Total Recall(the OG of course), and wow, that is one thoroughly twisted film.
    Imagine my surprise when I saw Paul Verhoeven's name.


    And for some reason I watched 50 Shades of Grey.

    Yeesh, that escalated quickly. It actually is really well made, despite the questionable source material. (See also: Twilight)
    The contract scene in particular was well edited.

    I think the two films also have another thing in common: ditching a very talented director due to creative differences prior to making the sequels.

    Total Recall had sequels?

  • JazzJazz UKRegistered User regular
    Anyone have any opinions on the Director's Cut of The Watchmen as opposed to the theatrical or ultimate cut?

    Edit: in the sense that I'm going to buy a Blu-ray for my movie collection.

    The theatrical cut has one transition between scenes that I really liked, that the DC ditches to fit in another scene that is silly, but mercifully short. It's very early on In the movie and if you've not seen the TC (or not seen it in ages) you probably won't notice. In every other respect, the DC is better, with all the extra stuff making a good case for why it's there and it doesn't even mess up the already slow and deliberate pacing; to the point that I think the TC only exists because the movie needed to come in at under three hours for the theatrical release.

    The UC, as previously mentioned, just stuffs in the animated sequences from Tales of the Black Freighter, which was cool in the book but doesn't work at all interspersed in the movie. Better appreciated in its standalone release if it interests you.

    So, DC for the win, handily.

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  • cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Regent Chantry of NightmaresRegistered User regular
    Jazz wrote: »
    cj iwakura wrote: »
    My father showed me Total Recall(the OG of course), and wow, that is one thoroughly twisted film.
    Imagine my surprise when I saw Paul Verhoeven's name.


    And for some reason I watched 50 Shades of Grey.

    Yeesh, that escalated quickly. It actually is really well made, despite the questionable source material. (See also: Twilight)
    The contract scene in particular was well edited.

    I think the two films also have another thing in common: ditching a very talented director due to creative differences prior to making the sequels.

    Total Recall had sequels?

    I was thinking of the remake.

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  • italianranmaitalianranma Registered User regular
    Thanks, that's exactly the sort of opinion I needed to hear. I loved the movie though I'd never seen the comics. I'm sure that I had the big reveal spoiled to me by TV Tropes years back, but it was still pretty enjoyable. I've got the comics on my wish list too. I just have this thing about physical movies and books. I don't collect figurines or toys (well, except for Warhammer, but that's different), but I've got a large book shelf that displays my nerd cred to whoever comes into my living room, and I want them to know I'm a man of impeccable tastes. So when I add the Watchman to that collection, I need to make sure I've made the right choice.

    飛べねぇ豚はただの豚だ。
    Jazz
  • AtomikaAtomika not a robot. does not eat bugs!Registered User regular
    Was the big reveal Dr Manhattan’s blue dong?

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