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Heat wave 2018: Mother nature's smackdown

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  • Zilla360Zilla360 21st Century. |She/Her| Trans* Woman In Aviators Firing A Bazooka. ⚛️Registered User regular
    Jazz wrote: »
    RT800 wrote: »
    Air conditioning is mankind's greatest achievement.

    I go back and forth between that and the dishwasher. Depends on the time of year.

    It's nuts in the UK at the moment too. We're topping 80°F daily (84 today); and nobody's house has air conditioning, neither do most businesses, and it's with high humidity. A breeze is a rarity at the moment too. So it might not be quite at the peaks you guys in the States are getting, but it's much harder to escape. (Edit: hence those 2003 fatality figures above.)

    Stay safe and well, everyone.
    It's 29c at night too, indoors. I wake up soaked in sweat, even with my bedroom's ceiling fan on full power (it's what's keeping me alive). Come back traditional British rain, I miss you! I have cold-weather Nordic blood that's only good for fighting mammoths in blizzards! :bigfrown:

    The last summer I can remember being as hot as this was in 2007 (or maybe 2008? I just remember being laid down playing 'Jade Empire' all summer whilst suffering/soaking in my own juices)... :P

  • JazzJazz Registered User regular
    Zilla360 wrote: »
    Jazz wrote: »
    RT800 wrote: »
    Air conditioning is mankind's greatest achievement.

    I go back and forth between that and the dishwasher. Depends on the time of year.

    It's nuts in the UK at the moment too. We're topping 80°F daily (84 today); and nobody's house has air conditioning, neither do most businesses, and it's with high humidity. A breeze is a rarity at the moment too. So it might not be quite at the peaks you guys in the States are getting, but it's much harder to escape. (Edit: hence those 2003 fatality figures above.)

    Stay safe and well, everyone.
    It's 29c at night too, indoors. I wake up soaked in sweat, even with my bedroom's ceiling fan on full power (it's what's keeping me alive). Come back traditional British rain, I miss you! I have cold-weather Nordic blood that's only good for fighting mammoths in blizzards! :bigfrown:

    I hear ya, it's not dropping much at night (especially tonight, good grief it's bloody ridiculous). My ceiling fan is an utter godsend, but even at full speed constantly it's only making it distantly approach "tolerable".

    I want a good thunderstorm I can go and stand outside in!

  • Phoenix-DPhoenix-D Registered User regular
    Aioua wrote: »
    Carbon sinking machines seem kind of weird when that's literally what plants already do.

    Someone, presumably the government, still needs to pay money to run them. And if you're paying money to sink carbon anyway my suspicion that your best $/carbon value is to pay people to farm bamboo (or whatever is considered expedient) and then just bury it.

    But anyway my larger point is I don't think home AC is some bit of massive waste that's driving global warming... residential energy prices are generally high enough that the average joes of the world do what they can to conserve energy because they don't want big bills. The cheapskate dad demanding you put on a sweater or open the windows before he'll turn the heater/AC on has been a stereotype far longer than anyone's cared about global warming.

    The problem is at the top starting with using fossil fuels to generate power (or heat directly) in the first place, and the bajillion gallons of gasoline we burn every single day.

    Plants only grow so fast. Also, a good chunk of the sinking ideas are trying to turn air CO2 into something useful. Or sometimes something that just offsets further fossil fuel use- eg making fuel. In and of itself seems a bit silly, but if you use solar/nuclear/hydro power to make fuel, and that fuel is then used instead of fossil...net gain.

  • bowenbowen Sup? Registered User regular
    Aioua wrote: »
    Carbon sinking machines seem kind of weird when that's literally what plants already do.

    Someone, presumably the government, still needs to pay money to run them. And if you're paying money to sink carbon anyway my suspicion that your best $/carbon value is to pay people to farm bamboo (or whatever is considered expedient) and then just bury it.

    But anyway my larger point is I don't think home AC is some bit of massive waste that's driving global warming... residential energy prices are generally high enough that the average joes of the world do what they can to conserve energy because they don't want big bills. The cheapskate dad demanding you put on a sweater or open the windows before he'll turn the heater/AC on has been a stereotype far longer than anyone's cared about global warming.

    The problem is at the top starting with using fossil fuels to generate power (or heat directly) in the first place, and the bajillion gallons of gasoline we burn every single day.

    Plants are not efficient, they are "good enough to survive and procreate" like most organisms

    If you want the most bang for your buck in terms of efficiency and power, you build machines to do it. That's why we made things like computers and AC, because they don't exist in nature and the closest analog you can come up with isn't really the same thing.

    not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
  • JazzJazz Registered User regular
    I don't think I've ever had so many showers so often, nor felt gross again so soon after getting out of one.

  • RichyRichy Registered User regular
    So the heat wave was responsible for 54 deaths in Québec :(

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  • JazzJazz Registered User regular
    Damn. :sad:

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  • PLAPLA The process.Registered User regular
    bowen wrote: »
    tynic wrote: »
    RT800 wrote: »
    Air conditioning is mankind's greatest achievement.

    air conditioning is contributing to the problem.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/10/science/air-conditioner-global-warming.html hm

    Solution: Nuclear power supplemented with renewable energies

    I'm still mad about european powerplants.

  • JragghenJragghen Registered User regular
    Our summer here has actually been relatively mild - only a smidge over 100.

    Meanwhile the it seems like a good third of the state is on fire again.

  • DedwrekkaDedwrekka Metal Hell adjacentRegistered User regular
    Not trying to iron man this, but my A/C died for two weeks with 100+ degree heat. My roommate kept drinking beer and not drinking enough water and had a much harder time of it than I did. I think people kinda forget or don't know how to survive the heat without a/c.

    Some basic heat survival strats from someone who lived without a/c in southern summers for a good chunk of their life.

    Drink more water than normal. Consume 1/2 as much caffeine and little to no alcohol. Add a little lemon juice to water, drink orange juice, or eat a few extra snacks to keep your electrolytes up. If you're thirsty and sweating you're already not drinking enough.

    Set fans so that your home has air circulation. You want air passing in and out, not just air blowing in. You can set an ice bucket in front of a fan to give yourself a little extra cool air.

    Take a couple extra showers during the day. Wakeup shower, home from work shower, bedtime shower.

    Feet, head, and hands are like the body's heat sinks. Soak your feet to cool off (not in ice cold water). You can soak cloths in ice water and drape them over your head and neck to cool off.

    If you're getting dizzy, nauseous, stop sweating, feel weak or get a headache, find a cool public place or one with a/c to get out of the heat. Drink a room temperature hydrating drink, like a warm water or sports drink (Gatorade, ect). Drinking something too cold could cause problems.

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  • SurfpossumSurfpossum A nonentity trying to preserve the anonymity he so richly deserves.Registered User regular
    Stealing that to share elsewhere, if you don't mind.

  • The WolfmanThe Wolfman Registered User regular
    This might be a "no shit sherlock" suggestion, but what's always worked for me as far as nights go is sticking a fan in a window, ala an AC unit. Now generally this does jack shit during the day, especially if it's just blowing in hot air. But if you live in a place with decent nights, it really drops the temperature down, better than the fan or window alone. I've had situations where because the rest of the house is a closed environment, I'll step out of the bedroom into the hallway and instantly notice the temperature difference.

    Now then, I've only been lucky enough to live in climates where the nights are at least passable. If you live in a place that's still a furnace outside at midnight, this probably doesn't work.

    "The sausage of Green Earth explodes with flavor like the cannon of culinary delight."
  • joshofalltradesjoshofalltrades Class Traitor Smoke-filled roomRegistered User regular
    MorganV wrote: »
    I'd add making sure that you're not swearing off salt. It's important to replenish the various electrolytes and stuff your body is losing. You obviously don't want to overdo it, I'm more referring to specific diets that some people choose to do. If swearing off salt is one of those, make sure you're getting good nutritional advice.

    Eat watermelon. Salt it. Win at summer.

  • MercadeMercade Registered User regular
    I don't know if I've ever drank more water than in the last 72 hours. My body rejoices.

    Switch: SW-1909-0466-9585
  • tbloxhamtbloxham Registered User regular
    bowen wrote: »
    Aioua wrote: »
    Carbon sinking machines seem kind of weird when that's literally what plants already do.

    Someone, presumably the government, still needs to pay money to run them. And if you're paying money to sink carbon anyway my suspicion that your best $/carbon value is to pay people to farm bamboo (or whatever is considered expedient) and then just bury it.

    But anyway my larger point is I don't think home AC is some bit of massive waste that's driving global warming... residential energy prices are generally high enough that the average joes of the world do what they can to conserve energy because they don't want big bills. The cheapskate dad demanding you put on a sweater or open the windows before he'll turn the heater/AC on has been a stereotype far longer than anyone's cared about global warming.

    The problem is at the top starting with using fossil fuels to generate power (or heat directly) in the first place, and the bajillion gallons of gasoline we burn every single day.

    Plants are not efficient, they are "good enough to survive and procreate" like most organisms

    If you want the most bang for your buck in terms of efficiency and power, you build machines to do it. That's why we made things like computers and AC, because they don't exist in nature and the closest analog you can come up with isn't really the same thing.

    Plants are incredibly efficient at gathering co2 from the environment and turning it into stuff. The problem is that they turn it into things that they and other things want to eat. So if you want to sequester with plants you need to hide all the sequestered co2 away so bacteria can’t get it.

    "That is cool" - Abraham Lincoln
  • VishNubVishNub Registered User regular
    tbloxham wrote: »
    bowen wrote: »
    Aioua wrote: »
    Carbon sinking machines seem kind of weird when that's literally what plants already do.

    Someone, presumably the government, still needs to pay money to run them. And if you're paying money to sink carbon anyway my suspicion that your best $/carbon value is to pay people to farm bamboo (or whatever is considered expedient) and then just bury it.

    But anyway my larger point is I don't think home AC is some bit of massive waste that's driving global warming... residential energy prices are generally high enough that the average joes of the world do what they can to conserve energy because they don't want big bills. The cheapskate dad demanding you put on a sweater or open the windows before he'll turn the heater/AC on has been a stereotype far longer than anyone's cared about global warming.

    The problem is at the top starting with using fossil fuels to generate power (or heat directly) in the first place, and the bajillion gallons of gasoline we burn every single day.

    Plants are not efficient, they are "good enough to survive and procreate" like most organisms

    If you want the most bang for your buck in terms of efficiency and power, you build machines to do it. That's why we made things like computers and AC, because they don't exist in nature and the closest analog you can come up with isn't really the same thing.

    Plants are incredibly efficient at gathering co2 from the environment and turning it into stuff. The problem is that they turn it into things that they and other things want to eat. So if you want to sequester with plants you need to hide all the sequestered co2 away so bacteria can’t get it.

    Not really. The rate limiting enzyme in the pathway is somewhat famously slow. They compensate by producing a whole lot of copies, but I wouldn't call it efficient.

  • MayabirdMayabird Pecking at the keyboardRegistered User regular
    bowen wrote: »
    Plants are not efficient, they are "good enough to survive and procreate" like most organisms

    If you want the most bang for your buck in terms of efficiency and power, you build machines to do it. That's why we made things like computers and AC, because they don't exist in nature and the closest analog you can come up with isn't really the same thing.

    Or just add iron to the Pacific and Antarctic Oceans to cause plankton blooms. Those happen fast. Much faster than waiting for trees to grow, and requires much less tech than giant CO2 sucking machines, since we don't really have that yet.

  • Anarchy Rules!Anarchy Rules! Registered User regular
    Jazz wrote: »
    Zilla360 wrote: »
    Jazz wrote: »
    RT800 wrote: »
    Air conditioning is mankind's greatest achievement.

    I go back and forth between that and the dishwasher. Depends on the time of year.

    It's nuts in the UK at the moment too. We're topping 80°F daily (84 today); and nobody's house has air conditioning, neither do most businesses, and it's with high humidity. A breeze is a rarity at the moment too. So it might not be quite at the peaks you guys in the States are getting, but it's much harder to escape. (Edit: hence those 2003 fatality figures above.)

    Stay safe and well, everyone.
    It's 29c at night too, indoors. I wake up soaked in sweat, even with my bedroom's ceiling fan on full power (it's what's keeping me alive). Come back traditional British rain, I miss you! I have cold-weather Nordic blood that's only good for fighting mammoths in blizzards! :bigfrown:

    I hear ya, it's not dropping much at night (especially tonight, good grief it's bloody ridiculous). My ceiling fan is an utter godsend, but even at full speed constantly it's only making it distantly approach "tolerable".

    I want a good thunderstorm I can go and stand outside in!

    The weather has been hot in Nottingham, but only the past week has it been unpleasant with the humidity really ramping up. I've also been in the fortunate positions of being in one of the only offices at work with air conditioning (we have hot water pipes running through the corner of the room).

    I was camping in Wales last weekend and the temperatures then were a real struggle. The tents turned into saunas as soon as the sun came up. Surprisingly things were much better on exposed hillsides as we actually got a breeze going.

  • bowenbowen Sup? Registered User regular
    Mayabird wrote: »
    bowen wrote: »
    Plants are not efficient, they are "good enough to survive and procreate" like most organisms

    If you want the most bang for your buck in terms of efficiency and power, you build machines to do it. That's why we made things like computers and AC, because they don't exist in nature and the closest analog you can come up with isn't really the same thing.

    Or just add iron to the Pacific and Antarctic Oceans to cause plankton blooms. Those happen fast. Much faster than waiting for trees to grow, and requires much less tech than giant CO2 sucking machines, since we don't really have that yet.

    We do have a few prototype devices that can scrub CO2 from the atmosphere.

    Here's one of them: http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/06/switzerland-giant-new-machine-sucking-carbon-directly-air

    not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
  • nexuscrawlernexuscrawler Registered User regular
    Looks like the NE is going to heat up again this week

  • ChiselphaneChiselphane Registered User regular
    I've lived in SE Missouri for a few years now, and yeah summer=hot but what's increasingly obvious is the growing length of time it stays hot and the mounting intensity of the heat. We're down to something like two weeks of Spring weather, then it gets hot and pretty much stays there. Frequent no-burn notices, etc.

    My youngest son slightly burned his feet last week.... on the pavement path of a water park ><

  • tbloxhamtbloxham Registered User regular
    VishNub wrote: »
    tbloxham wrote: »
    bowen wrote: »
    Aioua wrote: »
    Carbon sinking machines seem kind of weird when that's literally what plants already do.

    Someone, presumably the government, still needs to pay money to run them. And if you're paying money to sink carbon anyway my suspicion that your best $/carbon value is to pay people to farm bamboo (or whatever is considered expedient) and then just bury it.

    But anyway my larger point is I don't think home AC is some bit of massive waste that's driving global warming... residential energy prices are generally high enough that the average joes of the world do what they can to conserve energy because they don't want big bills. The cheapskate dad demanding you put on a sweater or open the windows before he'll turn the heater/AC on has been a stereotype far longer than anyone's cared about global warming.

    The problem is at the top starting with using fossil fuels to generate power (or heat directly) in the first place, and the bajillion gallons of gasoline we burn every single day.

    Plants are not efficient, they are "good enough to survive and procreate" like most organisms

    If you want the most bang for your buck in terms of efficiency and power, you build machines to do it. That's why we made things like computers and AC, because they don't exist in nature and the closest analog you can come up with isn't really the same thing.

    Plants are incredibly efficient at gathering co2 from the environment and turning it into stuff. The problem is that they turn it into things that they and other things want to eat. So if you want to sequester with plants you need to hide all the sequestered co2 away so bacteria can’t get it.

    Not really. The rate limiting enzyme in the pathway is somewhat famously slow. They compensate by producing a whole lot of copies, but I wouldn't call it efficient.

    I don't really understand your definition of efficiency here. Thats like talking about the efficiency of electric circuits by counting how many electrons they contain. My definition is...

    "For the minimum amount of human effort,support and utilized land area, how good is a thing at removing C02 from the environment and how effectively can it be scaled"

    And, by those standards plants are absolutely FANTASTIC. They make and copy themselves, clean themselves, repair themselves, regenerate damage and can remove tons of C02 from the environment. They are functionally free, and specialized versions of them exist for every conceivable environment, and each version will grow exactly as fast as is needed for that environment.

    The problem is that they turn C02 AND water into sugars and starches, which bacteria can eat. So humans need to get involved at the end and bury them or modify them.

    "That is cool" - Abraham Lincoln
  • So It GoesSo It Goes We keep moving...Registered User regular
    tbloxham wrote: »
    VishNub wrote: »
    tbloxham wrote: »
    bowen wrote: »
    Aioua wrote: »
    Carbon sinking machines seem kind of weird when that's literally what plants already do.

    Someone, presumably the government, still needs to pay money to run them. And if you're paying money to sink carbon anyway my suspicion that your best $/carbon value is to pay people to farm bamboo (or whatever is considered expedient) and then just bury it.

    But anyway my larger point is I don't think home AC is some bit of massive waste that's driving global warming... residential energy prices are generally high enough that the average joes of the world do what they can to conserve energy because they don't want big bills. The cheapskate dad demanding you put on a sweater or open the windows before he'll turn the heater/AC on has been a stereotype far longer than anyone's cared about global warming.

    The problem is at the top starting with using fossil fuels to generate power (or heat directly) in the first place, and the bajillion gallons of gasoline we burn every single day.

    Plants are not efficient, they are "good enough to survive and procreate" like most organisms

    If you want the most bang for your buck in terms of efficiency and power, you build machines to do it. That's why we made things like computers and AC, because they don't exist in nature and the closest analog you can come up with isn't really the same thing.

    Plants are incredibly efficient at gathering co2 from the environment and turning it into stuff. The problem is that they turn it into things that they and other things want to eat. So if you want to sequester with plants you need to hide all the sequestered co2 away so bacteria can’t get it.

    Not really. The rate limiting enzyme in the pathway is somewhat famously slow. They compensate by producing a whole lot of copies, but I wouldn't call it efficient.

    I don't really understand your definition of efficiency here. Thats like talking about the efficiency of electric circuits by counting how many electrons they contain. My definition is...

    "For the minimum amount of human effort,support and utilized land area, how good is a thing at removing C02 from the environment and how effectively can it be scaled"

    And, by those standards plants are absolutely FANTASTIC. They make and copy themselves, clean themselves, repair themselves, regenerate damage and can remove tons of C02 from the environment. They are functionally free, and specialized versions of them exist for every conceivable environment, and each version will grow exactly as fast as is needed for that environment.

    The problem is that they turn C02 AND water into sugars and starches, which bacteria can eat. So humans need to get involved at the end and bury them or modify them.

    Yo take this to the science thread if you wanna get all sciencey

  • bowenbowen Sup? Registered User regular
    Self managing, yes.

    Efficient? Hardly.

    And yes, sure there's an environmental carrying capacity too, but machines don't have that and can do much more in a smaller amount of time because they're not limited by that same carrying capacity and, you know, actually needing to get things growing.

    (trying to move this away from deep science)

    We need solutions that we can deploy in the next 10 years, not the next 10,000.

    not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
  • So It GoesSo It Goes We keep moving...Registered User regular
    So about the heat wave

    It will be 90 on Friday when guys are moving all of our shit out of our house

    I feel bad for them already

  • DoodmannDoodmann Registered User regular
    So It Goes wrote: »
    So about the heat wave

    It will be 90 on Friday when guys are moving all of our shit out of our house

    I feel bad for them already

    Tip them with a large amount of very cold beer.

    Whippy wrote: »
    nope nope nope nope abort abort talk about anime
    I like to ART
  • Havelock2.0Havelock2.0 What are you? Some kind of half-assed astronaut?Registered User regular
    edited July 2018
    California should have a prop to change our seasons to Kinda Burning, Burning, Oh Shit!, and Not Burning

    Havelock2.0 on
    You go in the cage, cage goes in the water, you go in the water. Shark's in the water, our shark.
  • iTunesIsEviliTunesIsEvil Cornfield? Cornfield.Registered User regular
    So It Goes wrote: »
    So about the heat wave

    It will be 90 on Friday when guys are moving all of our shit out of our house

    I feel bad for them already

    When we moved into our house about 5 years ago we hired 2 Guys & a Truck. One of the guys sat in a chair most of the time, with a damp, cold towel over his head that we gave him, along with drinking a cold Gatorade I pulled out of the freezer because his legs wouldn't stop cramping. At first I was like "oh this is some buuuuuuuullshit", but then I noticed you could literally see the guy's calves like turning into that ridiculously-flexed, completely-solid muscle on occasion.

    They sent another 2 guys out and apologized and everything, but I wasn't upset in the end. The "sending more guys, because our guy's down" was enough. Plus, I've had calves cramp (admittedly just in the middle of a couple of golf matches) and holy fuck no no no no no no no. I can't imagine trying to move furniture like that.

  • So It GoesSo It Goes We keep moving...Registered User regular
    Hm yes I should get some gatorade, good idea.

  • ArbitraryDescriptorArbitraryDescriptor Registered User regular
    MorganV wrote: »
    I'd add making sure that you're not swearing off salt. It's important to replenish the various electrolytes and stuff your body is losing. You obviously don't want to overdo it, I'm more referring to specific diets that some people choose to do. If swearing off salt is one of those, make sure you're getting good nutritional advice.

    Eat watermelon. Salt it. Win at summer.

    What the what

    *reconsiders the whole "watermelon" thing*

  • Zilla360Zilla360 21st Century. |She/Her| Trans* Woman In Aviators Firing A Bazooka. ⚛️Registered User regular
    It got so hot last night (zee air, it burns zee lungs!) that the glue holding up my 'Avengers: IW' poster melted, and it fell down on top of me while I was sleeping. :(

    I got a face full of Josh Brolin as Thanos, thinking I was about to
    get snapped.

    So now I've nailed that sucker to the wall.

  • bowenbowen Sup? Registered User regular
    moving in the summer is some bullshit

    not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
  • ArbitraryDescriptorArbitraryDescriptor Registered User regular
    edited July 2018
    bowen wrote: »
    moving in the summer is some bullshit

    I always try to avoid all unecessary motion in the summer months. As a northern Floridian, this means Nov-Feb is my busy season.

    I had to hire a lawn guy last month because the window for not sweating to death in 10 minutes was basically "when you can't see the grass"

    Going to give that chilled salty watermelon thing a try this weekend; because apparently my grass is adapted to the fucking cambrian period and seems to have grown a full foot in a week and a half.

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  • OldSlackerOldSlacker Registered User regular
    bowen wrote: »
    moving in the summer is some bullshit

    The night between July 31st and August 1st is horrible in most college towns.
    Back in Ames, there were so many students sleeping on the streets with their stuff because they were switching apartments, but couldn't move into the new one until morning.

  • bowenbowen Sup? Registered User regular
    It's kind of stupid that it's so hard to find places not in the summer though.

    not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
  • jothkijothki Registered User regular
    edited July 2018
    MorganV wrote: »
    I'd add making sure that you're not swearing off salt. It's important to replenish the various electrolytes and stuff your body is losing. You obviously don't want to overdo it, I'm more referring to specific diets that some people choose to do. If swearing off salt is one of those, make sure you're getting good nutritional advice.

    Eat watermelon. Salt it. Win at summer.

    What the what

    *reconsiders the whole "watermelon" thing*

    Huh, that could actually work.

    jothki on
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