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2018 Congressional/Senate Election Results Thread

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  • Mild ConfusionMild Confusion Smash All Things Registered User regular
    moniker wrote: »

    Is that an undead pimp?

    I heard he won in Nevada.

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  • Santa ClaustrophobiaSanta Claustrophobia Ho Ho Ho Disconnecting from Xbox LIVERegistered User regular
    Viskod wrote: »
    Jragghen wrote: »

    Conservative media has been yelling about how the Democrats don't care about the victory of an asian american because she's a Republican, when it looks like Kim is actually going to end up losing her race.

    That's how you know democrats are the real racists since they don't want a person of colour to win.

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  • ArbitraryDescriptorArbitraryDescriptor Registered User regular
    edited November 2018
    https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/nation-world/national/article221634685.html

    Hearing was this morning for RCV in the ME 2 race. The Judge said they will rule as soon as Thursday on the request for a TRO to stop the count.

    Maine says they should finish the second round count today; which could cinch it for the D challenger.

    Not sure if he intended that timing, he's a Trump appointee, confirmed last month. By voice vote, though? So maybe he's decent.

    Edit: Rephrased!

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  • JragghenJragghen Registered User regular
    Misread your statement, so just clarifying for anyone else who doesn't hit the link: He will rule on whether or not to stop on Thursday.

  • TaramoorTaramoor Storyteller Registered User regular
    Does that mean he might throw out the Ranked Choice result and insist that the First Plurality stand?

  • XaquinXaquin Right behind you!Registered User regular
    yeah, I don't really see how that works

    if the votes aren't counted, they aren't counted. you're not supposed to go "oh well!" and what? guesstimate?

  • PantsBPantsB Fake Thomas Jefferson Registered User regular
    I think this is an injunction ruling. IANAL but generally as I understand it you only get that if you have some reasonable expectation of success on the merits. The judge certainly has a concerning background (Le Page and Trump) and this might be literally his first case (he's been a federal judge less than a month) but we probably shouldn't assume the worst

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  • KamarKamar Registered User regular
    The worst is bad enough that it's probably worth thinking about what the proper response would be in advance, though.

  • ArbitraryDescriptorArbitraryDescriptor Registered User regular
    edited November 2018
    Xaquin wrote: »
    yeah, I don't really see how that works

    if the votes aren't counted, they aren't counted. you're not supposed to go "oh well!" and what? guesstimate?

    Whether or not the motion for the TRO is granted, there should still be an eventual ruling on whether to go with first round or final results. I presume that if a TRO were granted, but the ruling was ultimately that RCV was legal, then they would then resume counting?

    But I believe another factor for granting an injunction is (irrevocable?) harm. In this case, I don't see where there's any real harm in tabulating the results as planned and later deciding on which method was legal.

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  • TaramoorTaramoor Storyteller Registered User regular
    Xaquin wrote: »
    yeah, I don't really see how that works

    if the votes aren't counted, they aren't counted. you're not supposed to go "oh well!" and what? guesstimate?

    Whether or not the motion for the TRO is granted, there should still be an eventual ruling on whether to go with first round or final results. I presume that if a TRO were granted, but the ruling was ultimately that RCV was legal, then they would then resume counting?

    But I believe another factor for granting an injunction is (irrevocable?) harm. In this case, I don't see where there's any real harm in tabulating the results as planned and later deciding on which method was legal.

    Even then, the people who voted did so with the understanding that Ranked Choice results would take place.

    Overruling that would be insane. It would be changing the way the votes are counted after the fact.

  • tbloxhamtbloxham Registered User regular
    Taramoor wrote: »
    Xaquin wrote: »
    yeah, I don't really see how that works

    if the votes aren't counted, they aren't counted. you're not supposed to go "oh well!" and what? guesstimate?

    Whether or not the motion for the TRO is granted, there should still be an eventual ruling on whether to go with first round or final results. I presume that if a TRO were granted, but the ruling was ultimately that RCV was legal, then they would then resume counting?

    But I believe another factor for granting an injunction is (irrevocable?) harm. In this case, I don't see where there's any real harm in tabulating the results as planned and later deciding on which method was legal.

    Even then, the people who voted did so with the understanding that Ranked Choice results would take place.

    Overruling that would be insane. It would be changing the way the votes are counted after the fact.

    Yeah, I would place over-ruling that on the level of Trump ordering Democratic politicians to be arrested. End of the country level catastrophe.

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  • SleepSleep Registered User regular
    They are trying to change the voting system after the votes were placed?

  • ArbitraryDescriptorArbitraryDescriptor Registered User regular
    Taramoor wrote: »
    Xaquin wrote: »
    yeah, I don't really see how that works

    if the votes aren't counted, they aren't counted. you're not supposed to go "oh well!" and what? guesstimate?

    Whether or not the motion for the TRO is granted, there should still be an eventual ruling on whether to go with first round or final results. I presume that if a TRO were granted, but the ruling was ultimately that RCV was legal, then they would then resume counting?

    But I believe another factor for granting an injunction is (irrevocable?) harm. In this case, I don't see where there's any real harm in tabulating the results as planned and later deciding on which method was legal.

    Even then, the people who voted did so with the understanding that Ranked Choice results would take place.

    Overruling that would be insane. It would be changing the way the votes are counted after the fact.

    See also: The recent rulings on voter issues and gerrymandering that were deemed to too closely precede the election.

  • Desktop HippieDesktop Hippie Registered User regular
    A reporter for NPR’s Washington desk ran into Rohrabacher and asked if he had conceded yet.
    Rohrabacher: LOL! No.

  • BrodyBrody The Watch The First ShoreRegistered User regular
    Sleep wrote: »
    They are trying to change the voting system after the votes were placed?

    Maine just passed ranked voting. Polinquin (Republican Candidate for Representative) is suing, saying ranked choice is unconstitutional, and that the person who got the most first choice votes (a plurality) should win. Otherwise, voted are collated based on ranking until a simple majority is achieved.

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  • PantsBPantsB Fake Thomas Jefferson Registered User regular
    Brody wrote: »
    Sleep wrote: »
    They are trying to change the voting system after the votes were placed?

    Maine just passed ranked voting. Polinquin (Republican Candidate for Representative) is suing, saying ranked choice is unconstitutional, and that the person who got the most first choice votes (a plurality) should win. Otherwise, voted are collated based on ranking until a simple majority is achieved.

    Another name for it is instant run-off voting, because its much like run-off systems (like the one going on in MS with the Senate now) except it doesn't require multiple rounds of actual voting. Everyone just does it at the start.

    The last place candidates first place votes are removed and those ballot's second place choices are given votes. If someone hits 50% then that person wins. Otherwise it continues with the lowest left. Eventually one will his 50%+1 (or theoretically 50-50 I guess)

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  • SleepSleep Registered User regular
    Brody wrote: »
    Sleep wrote: »
    They are trying to change the voting system after the votes were placed?

    Maine just passed ranked voting. Polinquin (Republican Candidate for Representative) is suing, saying ranked choice is unconstitutional, and that the person who got the most first choice votes (a plurality) should win. Otherwise, voted are collated based on ranking until a simple majority is achieved.

    Cool i just wanted to make sure of the sequence of events...

    Yeah that's a heck of a bait and switch right there.

  • PolaritiePolaritie Sleepy Registered User regular
    Sleep wrote: »
    Brody wrote: »
    Sleep wrote: »
    They are trying to change the voting system after the votes were placed?

    Maine just passed ranked voting. Polinquin (Republican Candidate for Representative) is suing, saying ranked choice is unconstitutional, and that the person who got the most first choice votes (a plurality) should win. Otherwise, voted are collated based on ranking until a simple majority is achieved.

    Cool i just wanted to make sure of the sequence of events...

    Yeah that's a heck of a bait and switch right there.

    Also that he isn't filing until after the election. If he had issues with the method there was plenty of time beforehand to argue it was unconstitutional. He waited for the express purpose of having the vote happen with multiple challengers assuming ranked choice.

    Is there an equivalent to laches that would apply here?

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  • Inkstain82Inkstain82 Registered User regular
    tbloxham wrote: »
    Taramoor wrote: »
    Xaquin wrote: »
    yeah, I don't really see how that works

    if the votes aren't counted, they aren't counted. you're not supposed to go "oh well!" and what? guesstimate?

    Whether or not the motion for the TRO is granted, there should still be an eventual ruling on whether to go with first round or final results. I presume that if a TRO were granted, but the ruling was ultimately that RCV was legal, then they would then resume counting?

    But I believe another factor for granting an injunction is (irrevocable?) harm. In this case, I don't see where there's any real harm in tabulating the results as planned and later deciding on which method was legal.

    Even then, the people who voted did so with the understanding that Ranked Choice results would take place.

    Overruling that would be insane. It would be changing the way the votes are counted after the fact.

    Yeah, I would place over-ruling that on the level of Trump ordering Democratic politicians to be arrested. End of the country level catastrophe.

    So was what happened in Georgia. They’re pretty good at turning the temp on the frog up one degree at a time.

  • BrodyBrody The Watch The First ShoreRegistered User regular
    Polaritie wrote: »
    Sleep wrote: »
    Brody wrote: »
    Sleep wrote: »
    They are trying to change the voting system after the votes were placed?

    Maine just passed ranked voting. Polinquin (Republican Candidate for Representative) is suing, saying ranked choice is unconstitutional, and that the person who got the most first choice votes (a plurality) should win. Otherwise, voted are collated based on ranking until a simple majority is achieved.

    Cool i just wanted to make sure of the sequence of events...

    Yeah that's a heck of a bait and switch right there.

    Also that he isn't filing until after the election. If he had issues with the method there was plenty of time beforehand to argue it was unconstitutional. He waited for the express purpose of having the vote happen with multiple challengers assuming ranked choice.

    Is there an equivalent to laches that would apply here?

    I mean, the reason Maine passed ranked voting is that if they've recently had lots of problems with multiple challengers.

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  • Desktop HippieDesktop Hippie Registered User regular
    edited November 2018
    Wrong thread!

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  • So It GoesSo It Goes We keep moving...Registered User regular
    edited November 2018
    It's hard to be a younger woman in Congress



    Even if she acheives nothing else, getting out a young persons perspective of how our federal govt works and inspiring other young people to run are good things that will come from her time in Congress

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  • monikermoniker Registered User regular
    So It Goes wrote: »
    It's hard to be a younger woman in Congress



    Even if she acheives nothing else, getting out a young persons perspective of how our federal govt works and inspiring other young people to run are good things that will come from her time in Congress

    It'll hopefully get better when she actually gets sworn in and receives the fancy lapel pin and lanyard.

  • ZibblsnrtZibblsnrt Registered User, Moderator mod
    Wow do I ever want to set the responses to that tweet on fire.

  • Styrofoam SammichStyrofoam Sammich WANT. normal (not weird)Registered User regular
    Zibblsnrt wrote: »
    Wow do I ever want to set the responses to that tweet on fire.

    Centrist twitter has been in a high rage at her for a bit now because she was at a climate change protest in front of Pelosi's office.

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  • RedTideRedTide Registered User regular
    Taramoor wrote: »
    Xaquin wrote: »
    yeah, I don't really see how that works

    if the votes aren't counted, they aren't counted. you're not supposed to go "oh well!" and what? guesstimate?

    Whether or not the motion for the TRO is granted, there should still be an eventual ruling on whether to go with first round or final results. I presume that if a TRO were granted, but the ruling was ultimately that RCV was legal, then they would then resume counting?

    But I believe another factor for granting an injunction is (irrevocable?) harm. In this case, I don't see where there's any real harm in tabulating the results as planned and later deciding on which method was legal.

    Even then, the people who voted did so with the understanding that Ranked Choice results would take place.

    Overruling that would be insane. It would be changing the way the votes are counted after the fact.

    I could almost understand this if a Senate seat was at stake considering it's six years and would make a Democratic takeover that much harder.

    But he'd be up again in two years, for a seat that doesn't effect the chamber at all and he gets to be a pinata for whoever runs against him as the guy who defied Maine voters and told them to shove their system.

    This all seems so very dumb.

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  • FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    Zibblsnrt wrote: »
    Wow do I ever want to set the responses to that tweet on fire.

    A rule as true as the New Yorker rule

  • Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Cybertronian Paranormal Eliminator Registered User regular
    Zibblsnrt wrote: »
    Wow do I ever want to set the responses to that tweet on fire.

    Centrist twitter has been in a high rage at her for a bit now because she was at a climate change protest in front of Pelosi's office.

    Really? God damn, that lady is incredible!

  • ForarForar #432 Toronto, Ontario, CanadaRegistered User regular
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    Zibblsnrt wrote: »
    Wow do I ever want to set the responses to that tweet on fire.

    A rule as true as the New Yorker rule

    Err, care to share with the class on that one?

    I've gone to Google, but "the new yorker rule" is bringing up a lot of disparate answers and none are really standing out.

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  • KamarKamar Registered User regular
    edited November 2018
    Forar wrote: »
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    Zibblsnrt wrote: »
    Wow do I ever want to set the responses to that tweet on fire.

    A rule as true as the New Yorker rule

    Err, care to share with the class on that one?

    I've gone to Google, but "the new yorker rule" is bringing up a lot of disparate answers and none are really standing out.

    Probably that you can re-caption any New Yorker comic with 'Christ, what an asshole,' and have it be appropriate.

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  • Styrofoam SammichStyrofoam Sammich WANT. normal (not weird)Registered User regular
    Zibblsnrt wrote: »
    Wow do I ever want to set the responses to that tweet on fire.

    Centrist twitter has been in a high rage at her for a bit now because she was at a climate change protest in front of Pelosi's office.

    Really? God damn, that lady is incredible!

    The whole thing was kind of interesting. Activists were at Pelosi's office demanding climate change legislation be a priority now that the Dems are back in power and invited her to attend, which she accepted. Ocasio-Cortez spoke with Pelosi who said some bit about supporting said legislation and AOC responded with public praise for Pelosi's activism.

    It was all pretty slick on Ocasio-Cortez's part, but there's a faction of Dem twitter which won't tolerate dissension. They're silly and not worth worrying about.

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  • FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    RedTide wrote: »
    Taramoor wrote: »
    Xaquin wrote: »
    yeah, I don't really see how that works

    if the votes aren't counted, they aren't counted. you're not supposed to go "oh well!" and what? guesstimate?

    Whether or not the motion for the TRO is granted, there should still be an eventual ruling on whether to go with first round or final results. I presume that if a TRO were granted, but the ruling was ultimately that RCV was legal, then they would then resume counting?

    But I believe another factor for granting an injunction is (irrevocable?) harm. In this case, I don't see where there's any real harm in tabulating the results as planned and later deciding on which method was legal.

    Even then, the people who voted did so with the understanding that Ranked Choice results would take place.

    Overruling that would be insane. It would be changing the way the votes are counted after the fact.

    I could almost understand this if a Senate seat was at stake considering it's six years and would make a Democratic takeover that much harder.

    But he'd be up again in two years, for a seat that doesn't effect the chamber at all and he gets to be a pinata for whoever runs against him as the guy who defied Maine voters and told them to shove their system.

    This all seems so very dumb.

    I mean, it's probably a bigger deal for the constituents who want their votes counted.

  • So It GoesSo It Goes We keep moving...Registered User regular
    Zibblsnrt wrote: »
    Wow do I ever want to set the responses to that tweet on fire.

    Centrist twitter has been in a high rage at her for a bit now because she was at a climate change protest in front of Pelosi's office.

    Really? God damn, that lady is incredible!

    The whole thing was kind of interesting. Activists were at Pelosi's office demanding climate change legislation be a priority now that the Dems are back in power and invited her to attend, which she accepted. Ocasio-Cortez spoke with Pelosi who said some bit about supporting said legislation and AOC responded with public praise for Pelosi's activism.

    It was all pretty slick on Ocasio-Cortez's part, but there's a faction of Dem twitter which won't tolerate dissension. They're silly and not worth worrying about.

    Then we probably don't need to bring them up here eh?

  • BrodyBrody The Watch The First ShoreRegistered User regular
    RedTide wrote: »
    Taramoor wrote: »
    Xaquin wrote: »
    yeah, I don't really see how that works

    if the votes aren't counted, they aren't counted. you're not supposed to go "oh well!" and what? guesstimate?

    Whether or not the motion for the TRO is granted, there should still be an eventual ruling on whether to go with first round or final results. I presume that if a TRO were granted, but the ruling was ultimately that RCV was legal, then they would then resume counting?

    But I believe another factor for granting an injunction is (irrevocable?) harm. In this case, I don't see where there's any real harm in tabulating the results as planned and later deciding on which method was legal.

    Even then, the people who voted did so with the understanding that Ranked Choice results would take place.

    Overruling that would be insane. It would be changing the way the votes are counted after the fact.

    I could almost understand this if a Senate seat was at stake considering it's six years and would make a Democratic takeover that much harder.

    But he'd be up again in two years, for a seat that doesn't effect the chamber at all and he gets to be a pinata for whoever runs against him as the guy who defied Maine voters and told them to shove their system.

    This all seems so very dumb.

    If he wins, voting will change in numerous states, and ranked choice/instant run-off would require an Amendment . He wants a judge (and either way this will probably climb a level two in the court system) to state that the Constitution defines an win for the House as the person with the most number of votes, period. Mississippi wouldn't be talking about a run off election right now, Hyde-Smith would just be the declared winner. I'm sure a couple of other states out there also require 51% of the votes instead of plurality.

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  • Hi I'm Vee!Hi I'm Vee! Formerly VH; She/Her; Is an E X P E R I E N C E Registered User regular
    edited November 2018
    edit: never mind i'm dumb

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  • minor incidentminor incident expert in a dying field ---Registered User, Transition Team regular
    Andy Kim (D) declared victory in NJ-3 a few days back, despite MacArthur (R) refusing to concede, but today AP finally called the race in Kim's favor. Time to put the NJ results in ink.

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  • FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    edited November 2018
    Kevin McCarthy has been elected as Republican House minority leader.

    Edit: Minority, duh.

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  • Phoenix-DPhoenix-D Registered User regular
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    Kevin McCarthy has been elected as Republican House majority leader.

    Minority leader. Same position he has now, just flipped to the minority.

  • NEO|PhyteNEO|Phyte They follow the stars, bound together. Strands in a braid till the end.Registered User regular
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    Kevin McCarthy has been elected as Republican House majority leader.
    Seems like an odd thing to vote in a new majority leader when the next session they're gonna need a minority leader.

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  • TaramoorTaramoor Storyteller Registered User regular
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    Kevin McCarthy has been elected as Republican House majority leader.

    Minority leader, unless something insane happens.

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